The origins of tribes across Pakistan and Hindustan

[Joe Shearer]

I thought your Mongol Father taught you how to speak like civilized person but I guess I was wrong. @padamchen was right, Once a Khanjarzaat always a Khanjarzaat. You must be lar pathan/pashtunised Dardic or Baloch.


Kamboj is a jat Gotra in India. They live in Northern Part of Punjab.


Thanks.

I have simple Questions for you, how many native rajput Tribes in Punjab and Sindh are Real ? and what's their population? are there any Muhajir Rajputs in Pakistan beside Haryanvi Rajputs and Khanzada of UP ?



Shouldn't be in History section or claim origin for Indian/Hindu System if you can take the hear or prove your claim.

This practice is not unique to plains, even on Hills and Valley of Kashmir we have many Hindus who believes that they are not Indians but "persians" even if they look some what different from regular Indians. large number of Himachalis are notorious for this... very racist people, they believe that They are Pure Aryans and other Indians are below us. @padamchen

A fellow KP and member of this site called Kashmiri Pandit is one of them. I pity those who have to Invent Illegitimate father to feel Good about themselves.

I couldn't understand what you wrote.

This is not the History Section; there is no such Section.
Who claimed origin for the Indian/ Hindu system?
What is this taking the hear?
What claim do I have to prove?

You have been proved wrong on a number of occasions by the Pakistani members; perhaps you should either do your homework better before coming to post, or you should abstain, unless you REALLY know. At the moment, you are making a very poor impression.

Source? Only study I've seen so far was to detect Greek admixture in pathans and they didn't find anything. Till there is hard evidence I will continue to believe we are all indo-aryan, iranic, ivc, onge aborginal left overs.



How much persians have aryan ancestry in your opinion?

While I agree with the general tenor of your questions and the justification for your scepticism, this is to remind you that Persians cannot have ANY Aryan ancestry, because Aryan is not an ethnic group or a race. It is a language group.

 

[Kambojaric]

@Kambojaric
There are a number of different traditions as to the origin of the Kamboh. Some Kamboh claim Afghan origin, others claim Arab origin, while others simply claim to be Muslim converts from the Hindu Kamboh caste.

Most of the origin theories seem far fetched, especially the Arab one, as there is nothing at all linking Kambohs with the Arabian peninsula. The Iranic link is strong due to the fact that "Kamboja" is a term used by Persian and Iranic royalty of Central Asia and Persia as well. For example Cambyses is the Hellenized version of Kamboja (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambyses_II).

The Hindu accounts claiming that the Kambojas moved from Gujarat to Punjab also make little sense as historical accounts suggest the Kambojas inhabited the area around the Kabul river, and that the Parama Kambojas (kin of Kambojas) were resident beyond the Pamirs (probably around Tajikistan which also coincidently is the only region of Central Asia which remains Iranic to this day). The move of the Kambojas down to Punjab seems to have happened from the other direction hence i.e. from Central Asia to Punjab, following a well established historic migration pattern. We also know as stated in my previous post that as per Buddhist texts the Kambojas also exhibited features of the Zoroastrian faith again reincorcing the C.Asia to Punjab migration pattern.

I have heard a very different version for Kamohs, they are called Kamoh in Indian Punjab, and mostly concentrated near the Pakistan border especially in Fazilka and Abohar areas. They are considered a lower caste by Jatts, one of my friends from Abohar called them Churras (no offence intended). Don't know much about these things so Kamboj and Kamoh could be different people.

Have never heard of "Kamohs" before tbh. the "b" in "Kamboh" is quite prominent so could be a different group. I know for a fact that the generation prior to us, and even many in my generation are obsessed with the idea of only marrying within the tribe. Marriages with outsiders are really frowned upon (which is nothing I am proud of and I myself have married outside ). However afaik in South Asia this habit is usually the case with groups that have historically been in positions of power or prestige.

 

[django]

How many sock accounts do you come up with? One time you pretend to be kashtriya, next time Gujarati brahmin and some times Kashmiri pandit.

Going as far as allowing other men to **** your wife to get light skin babies and preserve your bhangi race. Saw your post some time ago in PF and lmao

"majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child."

99% of you are bhangi Kashtriyas, time to accept that and move on. No you are not related to central asians as much as you wish.

 

[Kabira]

nowaday half breed persian wannbe c...ts are talkin trash.. forgetin their true worth... assimilated indian dikras who were exiled by real Farsis... ended up in india... got mixed with locals... and now their women are leavin em for indian men... and all these inbred gujjus can do is moan on forums.. mid age crisis dont help much either.. phuckin phuddus....

Why you question my aryaness, people confuse me with muslims all the time in India.

 

[django]

Thank God the mods banned Ghandaran Brahmin "Brahmarshi", a man from the Ghandarabut born in Haryana

 

[qamar1990]

I just got a very annoyed personal mail, saying that there were indeed Kambojas in India, and that their Pakistani counterparts call themselves Kamboh.

@qamar1990

Is this correct? Is the name Kamboh?

well we do have kombahs in pakistan and despite what one onion lover says people usually associate them with arians

 

[lastofthepatriots]

well we do have kombahs in pakistan and despite what one onion lover says people usually associate them with arians

Looks like some Arain poured out the baby gujjar's milk.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Looks like some Arain poured out the baby gujjar's milk.

well we do have kombahs in pakistan and despite what one onion loversays people usually associate them with arians

C L A S S !

 

[Hamza913]

I'm curious what you guys think about the theory of Jewish/Greek ancestry for Kashmiris? There's a solid case to be made (especially for the Jews).

 

[Jaanbaz]

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, Lieutenant Governor of the Punjab Province (British India) joined the Indian service as Magistrate, Civil Judge, Superintendent of the Jail,and Treasury Officer. In 1885, he was posted first to Shahpur, Pakistan in Punjab. Writing about the tribes of Salt Range, he writes; "Of these perhaps the most interesting were the Awans of the Salt Range................It occurred to Wilson and me, who spent much time among them and every year had to send hundreds of them to prison for violent breaches of the peace, that it would be for their good and ours to open a career for the young" bloods" in the Army. A new battalion was then being raised. We induced the Commandant to come down to the great Horse Fair in 1888 or 1889, and persuaded the AWAN greybeards to bring in some hundreds of their young men- preferably the wilder spirits. Recruiting caught on like wild-fire, and in twenty years the Awan soldier had made his name and was to be found in nearly every Mohammedan company or squadron recruited in the Punjab. The material benefits were of no small value to a poor and frugal tribe; but they valued even more the increased izzat (honour) which military service confers in the Punjab. In the Great War nearly every fit man of military age came forward from these Awan villages, and an inspiring sight was to see the batches of young recruits escorted for miles on their way by their mothers, wives, and sisters, singing songs of the brave deeds of their forefathers and urging the young men to emulate them."[2]

After the Independence of pakistan, the army of Pakistan also heavily recruits Awans from Salt Range. Awans occupy the highest ranks of the Pakistani Army.[3] The late Lieutenant Colonel Qazi Iqbal Ahmad, late Lieutenant Colonel Qazi Iftikhar Ahmad, late Lieutenant Colonel Qazi Altaf Hussain, Late Major Qazi Zahoor ul Haq, Retired Major General Qazi Shafiq Ahmad, and many other senior officers of Pakistan Army belonged to this area.

ReferencesEdit

1. ↑ Lord Roberts, Forty-one years in India (London: 1897), p. 383.
2. ↑ India as I knew it, 1885-1925, by Sir Michael O'Dwyer p.41.
3. ↑ http://www.theawan.com/history.html

 

[Pakistani E]

After the Independence of pakistan, the army of Pakistan also heavily recruits Awans from Salt Range. Awans occupy the highest ranks of the Pakistani Army.[3] The late Lieutenant Colonel Qazi Iqbal Ahmad, late Lieutenant Colonel Qazi Iftikhar Ahmad, late Lieutenant Colonel Qazi Altaf Hussain, Late Major Qazi Zahoor ul Haq, Retired Major General Qazi Shafiq Ahmad, and many other senior officers of Pakistan Army belonged to this area.

Should add Major General Abdul Ali Malik and his brother Lieutenant General Akhtar Hussain Malik to the list as well.

 

[Manidabest]

Yes they are but Bhutto is also a sub caste of Arain happens to be same name and people get confuse.

Bhuttos are rajputs they have nuthing to do with arains. Zia ul Haq was arain and i dont glorify any of his steps ( sorry i m entitle to my opinions) i am doing research on arains so pls i need people for dna testing thanx.

the following are the titles that are normally used with arain names ....
Chaudhry, Mian, Mehar, Ramay, Bhutta, Ghurki, Ramday, Sardar, Saleemi, Hijazi, , Shami, Rattay,

There are plenty of Arains in Sindh, that literally go by the surname 'Arain' though. A lot of fakes among us these days, but I am a Ramay.

maaaan we need to have a criteria where we can identify the main and basic points and have a dna test done to prove arain identity

Gills are Jatts.
Qutub Shahi is used by Awans.
Ghurkis i think are Gujjars.
Bhuttas are a south panjab clan.

ghurki is a small village near the wagah border and majority residents are from arain tribe and they mostly use ghurki as an identity with their names

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Bhuttos are rajputs they have nuthing to do with arains. Zia ul Haq was arain and i dont glorify any of his steps ( sorry i m entitle to my opinions) i am doing research on arains so pls i need people for dna testing thanx.

the following are the titles that are normally used with arain names ....
Chaudhry, Mian, Mehar, Ramay, Bhutta, Ghurki, Ramday, Sardar, Saleemi, Hijazi, , Shami, Rattay,


maaaan we need to have a criteria where we can identify the main and basic points and have a dna test done to prove arain identity

Arains are usually related to each other. Suffer from skin allergies. Usually have fair/red color skin. Love onions. Are very religious. Also Arain people have different blood type from any other tribe in Pakistan which is B. Arains are not into badmashi but typically have extremely violent tempers when they are angry.

 

[Manidabest]

Arains are usually related to each other. Suffer from skin allergies. Usually have fair/red color skin. Love onions. Are very religious. Also Arain people have different blood type from any other tribe in Pakistan which is B. Arains are not into badmashi but typically have extremely violent tempers when they are angry.

well why dont we make a thread and only arains to be allowed to comment on it and compile a data on everythin from general habits to population density and eating habits etc...

 

[lastofthepatriots]

well why dont we make a thread and only arains to be allowed to comment on it and compile a data on everythin from general habits to population density and eating habits etc...

Unfortunately, I'm not interested enough. Will always be proud of being Arain though.