The origins of tribes across Pakistan and Hindustan

[Manidabest]

i have few questions regarding kashmiris in Punjab. please someone inform me that kashmiris in punjab see themelves as kashmiris as a nation living in punjab or kashmiris as a son of soil of punjab. when i say kashmiris it means those kashmiris who have migrated in 19th century due to dogra rule in kashmir and also due to draught in 19th century and also those kashmiris who migrated from eastern punjab to western punjab during 1947. if given a chance will they migrate back to kashmir as a kashmir is their original homeland. have kashmiris become the part of baradari system in Punjab or they tend to have different system than normal punjabi tribes.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

i have few questions regarding kashmiris in Punjab. please someone inform me that kashmiris in punjab see themelves as kashmiris as a nation living in punjab or kashmiris as a son of soil of punjab. when i say kashmiris it means those kashmiris who have migrated in 19th century due to dogra rule in kashmir and also due to draught in 19th century and also those kashmiris who migrated from eastern punjab to western punjab during 1947. if given a chance will they migrate back to kashmir as a kashmir is their original homeland. have kashmiris become the part of baradari system in Punjab or they tend to have different system than normal punjabi tribes.

They are part of society of Northern Punjab area. They would not immigrate back.

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Manidabest
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[Manidabest]

@Manidabest
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[Amalek]

What tribe do Memons belong to? Are they Jatts or Rajputs or some other tribe?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What tribe do Memons belong to? Are they Jatts or Rajputs or some other tribe?

None.

There are 2 types of memons.

Sindhi memons
Urdu speaking memons.

Both arent native to Pak but india.

 

[Amalek]

None.

There are 2 types of memons.

Sindhi memons
Urdu speaking memons.

Both arent native to Pak but india.

Memon language is a hodgepodge mix of Gujarati, Kacchi and Sindhi, with some Punjabi and Urdu words. Most live in Gujarat. I don't know their origin tribe.

 

[Jaanbaz]

None.

There are 2 types of memons.

Sindhi memons
Urdu speaking memons.

Both arent native to Pak but india.

Nice people though, keep to themselves, successful businessmen.

 

[livingdead]

offtopic: has anybody used a dna test service in UK like ancestry.co.uk or similar?

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

Al-Quran:"We have divided you in to tribes so that you are recognized"
All tribes/casts feel proud of them-self no one if inferior or others (Arabi/Ajami execpt on their TAQWA). But the day we will feel proud to being the Muslims that will make the difference in good way.

 

[Ocean]

What tribe do Memons belong to? Are they Jatts or Rajputs or some other tribe?

Gujratis.

i have few questions regarding kashmiris in Punjab. please someone inform me that kashmiris in punjab see themelves as kashmiris as a nation living in punjab or kashmiris as a son of soil of punjab. when i say kashmiris it means those kashmiris who have migrated in 19th century due to dogra rule in kashmir and also due to draught in 19th century and also those kashmiris who migrated from eastern punjab to western punjab during 1947. if given a chance will they migrate back to kashmir as a kashmir is their original homeland. have kashmiris become the part of baradari system in Punjab or they tend to have different system than normal punjabi tribes.

No , no matter what part of world you live in your ethnic group stays intact. biradari , regional and lingusitic identities are three different things.

You are regionally and linguistically punjabi but your ethnicity is kashmiri as its in the bloodline and just by living in punjab your blodline wont change it will be kashmiri. So in essence, you are a kashmiri an du will introduce yourself as kashmiri based in punjab , lahore or whatever city. And your tribe name i am sure your caste name must be a part of your surname like butt, dar will be enough to tell your kashmiri origins.

 

[Manidabest]

Gujratis.


No , no matter what part of world you live in your ethnic group stays intact. biradari , regional and lingusitic identities are three different things.

You are regionally and linguistically punjabi but your ethnicity is kashmiri as its in the bloodline and just by living in punjab your blodline wont change it will be kashmiri. So in essence, you are a kashmiri an du will introduce yourself as kashmiri based in punjab , lahore or whatever city. And your tribe name i am sure your caste name must be a part of your surname like butt, dar will be enough to tell your kashmiri origins.

so do you thik that nawaz sharif is misleading punjabis by representing himself as a punjabi by adding mian with his name ???

 

[Royal Rajput]

Namaskar,

I have little idea about present demographics of Southasian states but i must say that we should not confuse ethnicity with Language.

a Rajashtani living in Punjab is still a Rajasthani, a sindhi living in Bengal is still a Sindhi.

malwi, bhatiani and Bagri are classified as Punjabi but all 3 have very heavy input of Rajasthani loanwords in their vocabulary same with sairaki which is merger of Sindhi and Punjabi which formed it's own unique identity. this merger of different Languages and dialects in north west Subcontinent is the reason its hard to classify these languages into West or Central Indo Aryan Languages.

with a limited Knowledge of Geography i urge people to do not classify Kathiyawar with Gujarat. Kathiyawar and kutchh are Continuation of Sindh and it's Sea shore. Both people are ethnically very similar while speak different Religion while Gujaratis and Sindhi speak same language But still hate each other.

here, we can see that Panensula of Kathiywar is divided from Gujarat and Sindh like kutchh and both have formed it's own unique Identity that is similar to Sindh ethnically and Gujarat via Linguistically.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

i have few questions regarding kashmiris in Punjab. please someone inform me that kashmiris in punjab see themelves as kashmiris as a nation living in punjab or kashmiris as a son of soil of punjab. when i say kashmiris it means those kashmiris who have migrated in 19th century due to dogra rule in kashmir and also due to draught in 19th century and also those kashmiris who migrated from eastern punjab to western punjab during 1947. if given a chance will they migrate back to kashmir as a kashmir is their original homeland. have kashmiris become the part of baradari system in Punjab or they tend to have different system than normal punjabi tribes.

We have integrated into Punjab and it's culture. We have mostly forgotten our original native languages and now speak Punjabi and Urdu - but some clans still retain their tribal language such as Gojri. We have also become a part of the Baradari system.

We came here with nothing but with hard work we have turned ourselves into a thriving community while our relatives that stayed in J&K are mostly living in poverty, so we would not really go back given a chance. Infact, some of our relatives from IoK crossed the border in 1994 to get to Pakistan. If we ever wanted to go back to J&K, it would first need to have a Pakistani flag flying above it and not a the forgien occupying Indian flag.

 

[Ocean]

so do you thik that nawaz sharif is misleading punjabis by representing himself as a punjabi by adding mian with his name ???

Bhai i think i cant say with surety cause nawaz sharif ka kashmiri and jati umra background sab ko pata hai , i had heard that when his father joined blacksmith profession in lahore, thenindustry was dominated by arains , then somewhere to be a part of community or something his father adopted mian title kuch issi tarah sya kaheen parha tha par bhool gaya hai iwill search it out again.
I dont know if his aim of using mian is to present a punjabi identity or not. The title was adopted by his father first and at that time they were not in politics afaik. But he is a kashmiri n will remain so. N punjabis shud decide betetr do they want a corrupt kashmiri migrant looting their resources or what , someone who does not even originally belong to,punjab.
I have a part kashmiri identity and i hate everything kashmiri.