The incredibly bloody Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam

[KRAIT]

Shia Iran is important to balance Sunni Countries.

 

[Aramagedon]

lol

Can you see the future or someone whispers this to your ears?
Will Arsenal win the Champions League?
Will England win the Cricket World Cup?
Will Mexico build the wall?

first answer me these questions before you talk wars and some messiah with me?

As far as India is concerned.... its our bilateral matter so i will not tolerate any propaganda from you on Pakistan.

@Slav Defence @waz @WebMaster
Can we close this thread? Based on religious discussions not allowed
Please do take a look at another thread Saudi.

Its like rubber and glue case here with both these propaganda machines.

Thanks

What I said is from Quran. Go read miracles of Quran about destruction of israel and arrival of Imam Mahdi (A).

You probably think I'm Shia, Majoos, rafizi, whatever... Sayyedah Zahra (S) and 12 imams are not children of prophet Muhammad (S) but some Jews....[ASTAGHFIRULLAH]

Jahiliyan idol worshippers Arabs are chosen from Allah and they are certainly better than Ahlebayt! You Sunnis can even worship Arabs... I don't care at all...

But go read Quran and sahih prophet's hadiths and think with yourself is prophet Muhammad (S) telling truth or some random Arabs who have no blood connection with prophet!

 

[El Sidd]

What I said is from Quran. Go read miracles of Quran about destruction of israel and arrival of Imam Mahdi (A).

You probably think I'm Shia, Majoos, rafizi, whatever... Sayyedah Zahra (S) and 12 imams are not children of prophet Muhammad (S) but some Jews....[ASTAGHFIRULLAH]

Jahiliyan idol worshippers Arabs are chosen from Allah and they are certainly better than Ahlebayt! You Sunnis can even worship Arabs... I don't care at all...

But go read Quran and sahih prophet's hadiths and think with yourself is prophet Muhammad (S) telling truth or some random Arabs?

I am here to discuss religion or sects or cults.

Thats a cool picture. The boat is quite English in style i must say.

That actually gives me an idea of a holiday cruise between Vietnam and Singapore. Although it really gets boring after a while being on a boat for that long. Anything above 24 hours is a struggle for most humans.

But why 2023... Is this somehow related to Erdogan's statement regarding European Union.

 

[raptor22]

Ahle sunnat (90% of Islam) dont follow Abdullah ibne Saba and fabricated history and hadith of Shia regarding ahlebayt (R.A) we consider it totally fake like Nehjul Balagha, nor you chain of narration are consider "SIQAH" among Sunni scholars..

Oh so your fabricated hadith also tell date of arrival of Imam Mehdi.? i was unaware of that, where will you hide if you fail to bring your Ghaib imam (again without any proof) by 2023?

First of all being majority doesn't make you right , in the early days of Islam Prophet was alone and his enemies were majority .. did it mean that he was wrong?
Secondly no one follow Abdullah ibn Saba , prophet has taught us to follow the household:

1:
I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.​

2:The other narration regarding this issue is this:
Prophet(saw) said: Whoever died without an Imam he dies a death of jahilyyah(pre-islamic times). (MusnadAhmed volume 4 page 96).​

3:
Imam Muslim on Sahih Muslim wrote: Rasulullah s.a.w said: "This religion (Islam) will remain standing until twelve caliph, which all of them is from Quraysh, rule over you." (Sahih Muslim)​

​

 

[El Sidd]

First of all being majority doesn't make you right , in the early days of Islam Prophet was alone and his enemies were majority .. did it mean that he was wrong?

By that logic we should all accept the religion of Fonzi.

 

[El Sidd]

FYI boat is invented for the first time at time of prophet Noah (A).

That is factually incorrect.

But i am sure you can tell me there were exactly 2023 trees used in that boat manufacturing.

FYI boat is invented for the first time at time of prophet Noah (A).

Read the links that I posted.

Turks themselves are prey of end times....

lol

Dude why don't you just join the end of times cult in Texas and stock up on beans and canned food.

 

[Aramagedon]

Thats a cool picture. The boat is quite English in style i must say.

FYI boat is invented for the first time at time of prophet Noah (A).

I am here to discuss religion or sects or cults.

Thats a cool picture. The boat is quite English in style i must say.

That actually gives me an idea of a holiday cruise between Vietnam and Singapore. Although it really gets boring after a while being on a boat for that long. Anything above 24 hours is a struggle for most humans.

But why 2023... Is this somehow related to Erdogan's statement regarding European Union.

Read stupendous links that I posted from Quran:

www.discoveringislam.org/end_israel_4.htm

Turks themselves are prey of end times....

 

[Max]

First of all being majority doesn't make you right , in the early days of Islam Prophet was alone and his enemies were majority .. did it mean that he was wrong?
Secondly no one follow Abdullah ibn Saba , prophet has taught us to follow the household:

I am talking about majority of who claim to be Muslims not mushrikeen e makkah, Prophet (saww) directed us to follow Sawad ul Azam in hadith which exclude Kuffar..

• When asked which group will be on the right path, the holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunna and that of my Sahaba and this will be the largest group of Muslims.” [Tirmizi, Imam Ahmad, Abu Daud, Mishkat]
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• Hadith 3. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said “Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)” [Ibne Majah]
• 
  
• Hadith 4. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said ” Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For, he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!” [Ibne Majah]
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• Hadith 5. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said “The devil continually pursues humans as a wolf pursues sheep. The wolf only dares to attack those sheep which have separated from the rest of the flock and are standing alone. And so, my followers and my devotees! Save yourselves from being caught in the traps of misguidance and firmly remain with the largest and most well known group of Muslims!” [ Imam Ahmed]
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• Hadith 6. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said ” Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah’s mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell.” [ Tirmizi]

offcourse you will not find this in your books, your Mullahs will lose their business and rule..

 

[Aramagedon]

I am talking about majority of who claim to be Muslims not mushrikeen e makkah, Prophet (saww) directed us to follow Sawad ul Azam in hadith..

• When asked which group will be on the right path, the holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunna and that of my Sahaba and this will be the largest group of Muslims.” [Tirmizi, Imam Ahmad, Abu Daud, Mishkat]
• 
  
• Hadith 3. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said “Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)” [Ibne Majah]
• 
  
• Hadith 4. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said ” Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For, he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!” [Ibne Majah]
• 
  
• Hadith 5. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said “The devil continually pursues humans as a wolf pursues sheep. The wolf only dares to attack those sheep which have separated from the rest of the flock and are standing alone. And so, my followers and my devotees! Save yourselves from being caught in the traps of misguidance and firmly remain with the largest and most well known group of Muslims!” [ Imam Ahmed]
• 
  
• Hadith 6. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said ” Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah’s mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell.” [ Tirmizi]

offcourse you will not find this in shia books, your Mullahs will lose their business and rule..

This Ummah will divide into 73 sects… Shaykh al-Fawzān explains what it means: Sharhus-Sunnah Barbahārī

BY ABU KHADEEJAH ABDUL-WAHIDMAY 31, 2016AQEEDAH, BIDAH, MANHAJ, SECTS, SHARHUS-SUNNAH BARBAHĀRĪ
Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said,“And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.” [1]

Shaikh Sālih Al-Fawzān explained:

“My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” Allah (C) has commanded us with unity upon the truth, as He stated:

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ
“And hold fast to the Rope of Allah, altogether and be not divided.” (Āli ‘Imrān: 103) He also said:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
“Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects, you O Prophet, are not associated with them in anything. Their affair is left only to Allah and He will inform them about what they used to do.” (Al-An’ām: 159) And He, the Most High, stated:

وَلَا تَكُونُوا كَالَّذِينَ تَفَرَّقُوا وَاخْتَلَفُوا مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ ۚ وَأُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
“And do not be like the ones who became divided and differed after the clear proofs had come to them. And those will have a great punishment.” (Āli Imrān: 105) So Allah prohibited us from division and commanded us with unity and holding fast to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, as He said:

وَأَنَّ هَٰذَا صِرَاطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمْ وَصَّاكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
“And this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow the other paths, for you will be separated from His Path. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.” (Al-An’ām: 153) So differing and splitting by following ones desires is not allowed, and likewise the blind following of one’s father and forefathers, or to blindly follow the Jews and Christians. Differing is not permissible in the affairs of belief and in the foundations of the Religion; it is obligatory to have agreement and unity upon these matters.

As for differing that comes about in matters of the fiqh regulations then this can occur, but even here one must take only the sayings that are supported by the proofs. Allah (F) stated:

فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا
“And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best way and best in result.” (An-Nisā: 59) The point is that differing in matters pertaining to belief (‘aqeedah) is not permitted because the ‘aqeedah is established by textual proofs alone and not open to juristic interpretation or opinion. As for the fiqh regulations and derived judgements and rulings, then those who are capable and worthy from the scholars will derive what they see to be most correct. And the scholars who have differed in their opinions did not [seek to] remain upon differing, instead they returned back to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (H). And the one whose position was supported by the proofs, then it was followed, and his saying was accepted, and they would leave off their own opinions. This is the way of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah and this is what the Messenger (O) directed us to. As for the common saying: “Leave the people alone, each to his own opinion because differing in the ummah is a mercy.” We say: this is sheer falsehood. Allah (C) stated:

وَلَا يَزَالُونَ مُخْتَلِفِينَ إِلَّا مَن رَّحِمَ رَبُّك
“But they will not cease to differ except those whom your Lord has shown mercy..” (Hūd: 118-119) So the His (E) saying “except whom your Lord has shown mercy” is a proof that that those who are shown mercy by Allah do not differ, and that differing is a punishment and not a mercy. Mercy is for those who do not differ – and if they do differ, they return to the Qur’an and Sunnah for resolution. They take what is authentic and they leave alone what is mistaken. This is the path of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah. As for leaving each person to his own opinion in matters of Religion, then this is not way ordained for the Muslims. Rather that is the way of the people of whims and desires. They seek after opinions which agree with their desires, and they will abandon whatever opposes their desires even if it means abandonment of the statements of a great scholar whose saying they would [normally] take. Meaning: they will not accept the sayings of the great scholars unless they agree with their desires. So whatever opposes what they seek they reject it; and this proves they are followers of their desires since they take what accords with their desire; and what opposes it, they cast aside. Indeed there is no movement or might except with Allāh. This is what is being invited to in these times: in the newspapers, magazines, seminars, gatherings, at most conferences, the satellite channels where they publicise differing and say: “We are broadening the possibilities for the people.” With what are they broadening the possibilities? By leaving the Book and Sunnah and instead going to sayings which emanate from those who are not infallible? Those who can err sometimes and be correct sometimes? We say: It is these scholars who prevent us from taking their speech unless it conforms with the evidence – and they forbid us from taking their speech if it contradicts the proof. So it is a must that this affair is understood because in these times the people are put to trial by those who try to pull the wool over their eyes.

Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one…” This narration is authentic when its various chains and wordings are gathered together. The scholars have reported it and praised its authenticity; and the reality of the ummah further proves its truthfulness [1]. The Messenger (H) stated that this ummah of Muhammad will divide into 73 sects – and these are the foundations of the sects, and there are of course more sects, but these 73 constitute the foundations of all of them. All of them will end up in the Fire except for one. So the seventy third sect is upon that which the Messenger (H) and his Companions (M) were upon – it is the sect saved (nājiyah) from the Fire. For this reason it is referred to as the Saved Sect (Firqatun-Nājiyah) and they are called Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah. And all those besides them are the opposers, those threatened with the Fire. From them are those who who will enter the Fire due to their unbelief, others due to their sins and others due to their disobedience – those who enter the Fire are not all the same. So it is not to be understood from this narration that all of the sects who enter the Fire are upon unbelief.

“…all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” The Jamā’ah refers to anyone who is upon the truth even if it is just one person. A gathering of large numbers in itself is not an indication that they are upon the truth. Allah (E) said:

وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِي الْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُصُونَ
“And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the path of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.” (Al-An’ām: 116) And He said:

وَمَا أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ
“And most of mankind will not believe even if you desire it eagerly.” (Yoosuf: 103) And His saying:

وَمَا وَجَدْنَا لِأَكْثَرِهِم مِّنْ عَهْدٍ ۖ وَإِن وَجَدْنَا أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَفَاسِقِينَ
“And We did not find for most of them any covenant; but indeed, We found most of them defiantly disobedient.” (Al-A’rāf: 102) So attention is not given to numbers, rather attention is given to those who are upon the truth even if they are small in number in a given time or place. So even if there is just one person, he can be considered as the Jamā’ah.

It was said, “And who are they O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.” So this is the correct path: whoever is upon that which the Messenger and his Companions were upon, he is the Jamā’ah.

End.

See: It-hāf al-Qārī, Shaikh Al-Fawzān’s explanation of Sharhus-Sunnah of Imām al-Barbahārī, vol.1 pp. 419-423.

[1] Tirmidhī, no. 2641; Ibn Nasr al-Marwazī in As-Sunnah, no. 59; Al-Hākim in al-Mustadrak, 1/218; Al-Ājurrī in ash-Sharee’ah, no. 23; Al-Lālikā’ī in Sharh Usool al-I’tiqād, no. 147; Ibn Battah in al-Ibānah, no. 196; and many others. It has support from the hadīth of Anas reported by Tabarānī in Al-Awsat, no.7840; and in As-Saghīr, no. 724; It has been authenticated by a large body of scholars from the past and present, alhamdulillāh.



72 /73 of you will go to hell. This happens when you DO NOT accept Wilayat of Ahlebayt and martyr Household of prophet Muhammad (S).

Yet you're in deep Jahiliya with your beloved Sahaba.

 

[Divergent]

I'm going to try and say this in a simple and non-offensive way.

If All Muslims stick to traditional Islam that was ORIGINALLY sent rather than divide themselves into the politics that came AFTER the death of the Prophet peace be upon him, things would be much simpler. In the end, Sahabis (May God be pleased with them all) are mere humans and not perfect. Its difficult to state the accuracy of the affairs once The Messenger peace be upon him was Shaheed. So in all honesty, I don't understand those who give importance to one companion over another. Your personal preference of one companion is your OWN choice and it shouldn't be imposed on others nor should one speak of ill of any.

Divisions especially between Shia and Sunni are purely down to POLITICS and difference of PERSONAL opinion once the Prophet peace be upon him passed away. It's not holding on to the real message or source. Which in my humble opinion is what really needs to happen.

Lastly, each to their own and respect each other's beliefs and come to unity under the original source of message rather than secretarian division.

 

[El Sidd]

I'm going to try and say this in a simple and non-offensive way.

If All Muslims stick to traditional Islam that was ORIGINALLY sent rather than divide themselves into the politics that came AFTER the death of the Prophet peace be upon him, things would be much simpler. In the end, Sahabis (May God be pleased with them all) are mere humans and not perfect. Its difficult to state the accuracy of the affairs once The Messenger peace be upon him was Shaheed. So in all honesty, I don't those who give importance to one companion over another. Your personal preference of one companion is your OWN choice and it shouldn't be imposed on others nor should one speak of ill of any.

Lastly, each to their own and respect each other's beliefs and come to unity under the original source of message rather than secretarian division.

that offends me.
i am discussing holiday destinations and you come in here with your drama

 

[Divergent]

This Ummah will divide into 73 sects… Shaykh al-Fawzān explains what it means: Sharhus-Sunnah Barbahārī

BY ABU KHADEEJAH ABDUL-WAHIDMAY 31, 2016AQEEDAH, BIDAH, MANHAJ, SECTS, SHARHUS-SUNNAH BARBAHĀRĪ
Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said,“And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.” [1]

Shaikh Sālih Al-Fawzān explained:

“My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” Allah (C) has commanded us with unity upon the truth, as He stated:

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ
“And hold fast to the Rope of Allah, altogether and be not divided.” (Āli ‘Imrān: 103) He also said:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
“Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects, you O Prophet, are not associated with them in anything. Their affair is left only to Allah and He will inform them about what they used to do.” (Al-An’ām: 159) And He, the Most High, stated:

وَلَا تَكُونُوا كَالَّذِينَ تَفَرَّقُوا وَاخْتَلَفُوا مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ ۚ وَأُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
“And do not be like the ones who became divided and differed after the clear proofs had come to them. And those will have a great punishment.” (Āli Imrān: 105) So Allah prohibited us from division and commanded us with unity and holding fast to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, as He said:

وَأَنَّ هَٰذَا صِرَاطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمْ وَصَّاكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
“And this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow the other paths, for you will be separated from His Path. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.” (Al-An’ām: 153) So differing and splitting by following ones desires is not allowed, and likewise the blind following of one’s father and forefathers, or to blindly follow the Jews and Christians. Differing is not permissible in the affairs of belief and in the foundations of the Religion; it is obligatory to have agreement and unity upon these matters.

As for differing that comes about in matters of the fiqh regulations then this can occur, but even here one must take only the sayings that are supported by the proofs. Allah (F) stated:

فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا
“And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best way and best in result.” (An-Nisā: 59) The point is that differing in matters pertaining to belief (‘aqeedah) is not permitted because the ‘aqeedah is established by textual proofs alone and not open to juristic interpretation or opinion. As for the fiqh regulations and derived judgements and rulings, then those who are capable and worthy from the scholars will derive what they see to be most correct. And the scholars who have differed in their opinions did not [seek to] remain upon differing, instead they returned back to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (H). And the one whose position was supported by the proofs, then it was followed, and his saying was accepted, and they would leave off their own opinions. This is the way of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah and this is what the Messenger (O) directed us to. As for the common saying: “Leave the people alone, each to his own opinion because differing in the ummah is a mercy.” We say: this is sheer falsehood. Allah (C) stated:

وَلَا يَزَالُونَ مُخْتَلِفِينَ إِلَّا مَن رَّحِمَ رَبُّك
“But they will not cease to differ except those whom your Lord has shown mercy..” (Hūd: 118-119) So the His (E) saying “except whom your Lord has shown mercy” is a proof that that those who are shown mercy by Allah do not differ, and that differing is a punishment and not a mercy. Mercy is for those who do not differ – and if they do differ, they return to the Qur’an and Sunnah for resolution. They take what is authentic and they leave alone what is mistaken. This is the path of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah. As for leaving each person to his own opinion in matters of Religion, then this is not way ordained for the Muslims. Rather that is the way of the people of whims and desires. They seek after opinions which agree with their desires, and they will abandon whatever opposes their desires even if it means abandonment of the statements of a great scholar whose saying they would [normally] take. Meaning: they will not accept the sayings of the great scholars unless they agree with their desires. So whatever opposes what they seek they reject it; and this proves they are followers of their desires since they take what accords with their desire; and what opposes it, they cast aside. Indeed there is no movement or might except with Allāh. This is what is being invited to in these times: in the newspapers, magazines, seminars, gatherings, at most conferences, the satellite channels where they publicise differing and say: “We are broadening the possibilities for the people.” With what are they broadening the possibilities? By leaving the Book and Sunnah and instead going to sayings which emanate from those who are not infallible? Those who can err sometimes and be correct sometimes? We say: It is these scholars who prevent us from taking their speech unless it conforms with the evidence – and they forbid us from taking their speech if it contradicts the proof. So it is a must that this affair is understood because in these times the people are put to trial by those who try to pull the wool over their eyes.

Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one…” This narration is authentic when its various chains and wordings are gathered together. The scholars have reported it and praised its authenticity; and the reality of the ummah further proves its truthfulness [1]. The Messenger (H) stated that this ummah of Muhammad will divide into 73 sects – and these are the foundations of the sects, and there are of course more sects, but these 73 constitute the foundations of all of them. All of them will end up in the Fire except for one. So the seventy third sect is upon that which the Messenger (H) and his Companions (M) were upon – it is the sect saved (nājiyah) from the Fire. For this reason it is referred to as the Saved Sect (Firqatun-Nājiyah) and they are called Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah. And all those besides them are the opposers, those threatened with the Fire. From them are those who who will enter the Fire due to their unbelief, others due to their sins and others due to their disobedience – those who enter the Fire are not all the same. So it is not to be understood from this narration that all of the sects who enter the Fire are upon unbelief.

“…all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” The Jamā’ah refers to anyone who is upon the truth even if it is just one person. A gathering of large numbers in itself is not an indication that they are upon the truth. Allah (E) said:

وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِي الْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَخْرُصُونَ
“And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the path of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.” (Al-An’ām: 116) And He said:

وَمَا أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ
“And most of mankind will not believe even if you desire it eagerly.” (Yoosuf: 103) And His saying:

وَمَا وَجَدْنَا لِأَكْثَرِهِم مِّنْ عَهْدٍ ۖ وَإِن وَجَدْنَا أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَفَاسِقِينَ
“And We did not find for most of them any covenant; but indeed, We found most of them defiantly disobedient.” (Al-A’rāf: 102) So attention is not given to numbers, rather attention is given to those who are upon the truth even if they are small in number in a given time or place. So even if there is just one person, he can be considered as the Jamā’ah.

It was said, “And who are they O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.” So this is the correct path: whoever is upon that which the Messenger and his Companions were upon, he is the Jamā’ah.

End.

See: It-hāf al-Qārī, Shaikh Al-Fawzān’s explanation of Sharhus-Sunnah of Imām al-Barbahārī, vol.1 pp. 419-423.

[1] Tirmidhī, no. 2641; Ibn Nasr al-Marwazī in As-Sunnah, no. 59; Al-Hākim in al-Mustadrak, 1/218; Al-Ājurrī in ash-Sharee’ah, no. 23; Al-Lālikā’ī in Sharh Usool al-I’tiqād, no. 147; Ibn Battah in al-Ibānah, no. 196; and many others. It has support from the hadīth of Anas reported by Tabarānī in Al-Awsat, no.7840; and in As-Saghīr, no. 724; It has been authenticated by a large body of scholars from the past and present, alhamdulillāh.



72 /73 of you will go to hell. This happens when you DO NOT accept Wilayat of Ahlebayt and martyr Household of prophet Muhammad (S).

Yet you're in deep Jahiliya with your beloved Sahaba.

No one objects to prophecies stating there will be 73 sector divisions. No one also denies nor ignores the battles of Karbala. All Sahabas sacrificed their blood and sweat for Faith. They were probably more united in brotherhood than the politics of people that came after them. No one also rejects Ahlul-Bayt - they are the family.

What's your point?

 

[Max]

72 /73 of you will go to hell. This happens when you DO NOT accept Wilayat of Ahlebayt and martyr Household of prophet Muhammad (S).

Yet you're in deep Jahiliya with your beloved Sahaba.

its seems my truth have cause butthurt to some self beating clowns i just presented Hadith and you start crying, no one follow Ahlybayt(r.a) more then Ahlu sunnah, you just bark, we Ahle sunnah act.

let me say it again we certainly dont believe in fabricated Aqeedah of imamate based on fabricated hadith and interpretation on which majority of Islamic scholar of Quran and Hadith (90%) dont agree.. Those swines who curse Umul Momineen (r.a) and Sahaba (r.a) of beloved prophet (saww) should better not talk about Islam let alone heaven and hell.

 

[El Sidd]

its seems my truth have cause butthurt to some self beating clowns i just presented Hadith and you start crying, no one follow Ahlybayt more then Ahlu sunnah, you just bark, we Ahle sunnah act.

let me say it again we certainly dont believe in fabricated Aqeedah of imamate based on fabricated hadith and interpretation on which majority of Islamic scholar of Quran and Hadith (90%) dont agree.. Those swines who curse Umul Momineen (r.a) and Sahaba (r.a) of beloved prophet (saww) should better not talk about Islam let alone heaven and hell.

Why don't you tell me a good holiday destination?

 

[Max]

Why don't you tell me a good holiday destination?

open a thread in members section,