The incredibly bloody Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam

[El Sidd]

open a thread in members section,

this thread is for what?

 

[Max]

this thread is for what?

measuring contest i suppose

 

[Aramagedon]

Ahle sunnah

If you are Sunni it is because of Mongols that ruled you. Ottomans put their effect on Arabs as well as.

 

[war&peace]

measuring contest i suppose

I think it is a great article. We need to know the history.

 

[Max]

If you are Sunni it is because of Mongols that ruled you.

And who made mongol Sunnis? just bcoz you are forced converts that does not mean everyone is forced convert. anyways Mongol never conqured us.

 

[war&peace]

If you are Sunni it is because of Mongols that ruled you.

95% of the Muslims around the globe are Ahle-sunnah, Did Mongols rule Indonesia and Malaysia too? Do not distort facts and hide behind taqia.

 

[Aramagedon]

And who made mongol Sunnis? just bcoz you are forced converts that does not mean everyone is forced convert. anyways Mongol never conqured us.

Actually we didn't convert. The First Islamic Iranian empire was Shia and they were badly against Sunnis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyid_dynasty

Wahhabi clowns think history of Shiasm is begun since Safavid empire which is crap. Majority of Iranian (especially Persians) were not Sunnis.

A zealot jahil guy like u probably don't know shrines of 6 Shia imams are in Iraq & Iran.

 

[war&peace]

But the most important thing is that we live in peace with each other and do not fight. This kind of discussions are pointless as who is right, who is wrong because people are very much attached to their positions.

 

[Max]

Actually we didn't convert. The First Islamic Iranian empire was Shia and they were badly against Sunnis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyid_dynasty

Wahhabi clowns think history of Shiasm is begun since Safavid empire.

so does that mean majority of Iranian were shia back then? probably buyid were not as backward as safavids. they didnt tried to convert people like Safavid did.

Actually we didn't convert. The First Islamic Iranian empire was Shia and they were badly against Sunnis.

wiki link which you self beating clown posted disagree..

The Buyids rarely attempted to enforce a particular religious view upon their subjects except when in matters where it would be politically expedient. The Sunni Abbasids retained the caliphate but were deprived of all secular power.[45] In addition, in order to prevent tensions between the Shia and the Sunnis from spreading to government agencies, the Buyid amirs occasionally appointed Christians to high offices instead of Muslims from either sect.[46]

 

[raptor22]

I am talking about majority of who claim to be Muslims not mushrikeen e makkah, Prophet (saww) directed us to follow Sawad ul Azam in hadith which exclude Kuffar..

• When asked which group will be on the right path, the holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunna and that of my Sahaba and this will be the largest group of Muslims.” [Tirmizi, Imam Ahmad, Abu Daud, Mishkat]
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• Hadith 3. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said “Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)” [Ibne Majah]
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• Hadith 4. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said ” Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For, he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!” [Ibne Majah]
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• Hadith 5. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said “The devil continually pursues humans as a wolf pursues sheep. The wolf only dares to attack those sheep which have separated from the rest of the flock and are standing alone. And so, my followers and my devotees! Save yourselves from being caught in the traps of misguidance and firmly remain with the largest and most well known group of Muslims!” [ Imam Ahmed]
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• Hadith 6. The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said ” Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah’s mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell.” [ Tirmizi]

offcourse you will not find this in your books, your Mullahs will lose their business and rule..

Thank you for answering my post, I brought you some narration from prophet (pbuh) and you ignored all of the

By the way:

1. If we are supposed to follow the Sahaba which one should we follow? Talhe and Zobeir whom fought Imam Ali (as) in Jamal or Moawia whom fought Imam Ali(as) and the other Sahaba fighting Moawia alongside of Imam Ali(as) in Saffain ? or Othman whom exiled Abozar al Qafari as a Sahabe?

2. In Islam there are 4 basis of Fiqh (the way we understand the religion): Quran, Qiyas , Ijma and Sunnah ... there is no Sawad-e-Azam ....
And God says:

6:116: And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.
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In fact as prophet (pbuh) said Sawad-e-Azam are those whom that follows my Sunna and that of my Sahaba not every majority ....

By that logic we should all accept the religion of Fonzi.

I didn't say follow minority , I said being minority/majority doesn't make you right or wrong ... it's your thoughts that determine which side of history you stand ...

 

[Aramagedon]

so does that mean majority of Iranian were shia back then? probably buyid were not as backward as safavids. they didnt tried to convert people like Safavid did.

Iranians were either Shafie Sunni or Shia. Shafies are very very close to Shiasm. Anyhow both Shia and Sunnis books collected by Iranians not sand nigger Arabs. Fyi even Arabic grammar is made by Iranians!


Iran and the Islamic culture and civilization

Photo taken from medieval manuscript by Qotbeddin Shirazi(1236–1311), a Persian Astronomer. The image depicts an epicyclic planetary model.

The Islamization of Iran was to yield deep transformations within the cultural, scientific, and political structure of Iran's society: The blossoming of Persian literature, philosophy, medicine and artbecame major elements of the newly forming Muslim civilization. Inheriting a heritage of thousands of years of civilization, and being at the "crossroads of the major cultural highways",[12] contributed to Persia emerging as what culminated into the "Islamic Golden Age". During this period, hundreds of scholars and scientists vastly contributed to technology, science and medicine, later influencing the rise of European science during the Renaissance.[13]

The most important scholars of almost all of the Islamic sects and schools of thought were Persian or live in Iran including most notable and reliable Hadithcollectors of Shia and Sunni like Shaikh Saduq, Shaikh Kulainy, Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and Hakim al-Nishaburi, the greatest theologians of Shia and Sunni like Shaykh Tusi, Imam Ghazali, Imam Fakhr al-Razi and Al-Zamakhshari, the greatest physicians, astronomers, logicians, mathematicians, metaphysicians, philosophers and scientists like Al-Farabi, Avicenna, and Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī, the greatest Shaykh of Sufism like Rumi, Abdul-Qadir Gilani.

Ibn Khaldun narrates in his Muqaddimah:[14]

It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars… in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs, thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farsiand Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent... they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar. Great jurists were Persians. Only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet (Muhammad) becomes apparent, "If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"… The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them… as was the case with all crafts… This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana(modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture.

 

[El Sidd]

Thank you for answering my post, I brought you some narration from prophet (pbuh) and you ignored all of the

By the way:

1. If we are supposed to follow the Sahaba which one should we follow? Talhe and Zobeir whom fought Imam Ali (as) in Jamal or Moawia whom fought Imam Ali(as) and the other Sahaba fighting Moawia alongside of Imam Ali(as) in Saffain ? or Othman whom exiled Abozar al Qafari as a Sahabe?

2. In Islam there are 4 basis of Fiqh (the way we understand the religion): Quran, Qiyas , Ijma and Sunnah ... there is no Sawad-e-Azam ....
And God says:

6:116: And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.
​

In fact as prophet (pbuh) said Sawad-e-Azam are those whom that follows my Sunna and that of my Sahaba not every majority ....


I didn't say follow minority , I said being minority/majority doesn't make you right or wrong ... it's your thoughts that determine which side of history you stand ...

I don't know man.
I cannot read hearts or minds.

Fonzi only offers cinnamon flavored donuts.

 

[Dai Toruko]

Actually we didn't convert. The First Islamic Iranian empire was Shia and they were badly against Sunnis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyid_dynasty

Wahhabi clowns think history of Shiasm is begun since Safavid empire which is crap. Majority of Iranian (especially Persians) were not Sunnis.

A zealot jahil guy like u probably don't know shrines of 6 Shia imams are in Iraq & Iran.

You forgot to say that The Ghaznavid and Seljuk Turks destroyed your allegedly "First Islamic Iranian empire".

 

[El Sidd]

How about Combodia?

Nah too many mosquitoes.


Zanzibar is up there on the list as well

 

[Aramagedon]

You forgot to say that The Ghaznavid and Seljuk Turks destroyed your allegedly "First Islamic Iranian empire".

They raped you a way worse than Iranians because Iranians were their fellow Muslims whom they had learned Islam from... Seljuks were turk slave soldiers of Samanids but when they conquered anatoli they raped your forefathers as bad kafirs. That's why today 15- 20% of your people are Turk which very ironically you're proud of...

Your invaders whom you are proud of their blood became Muslims and Persianized by Iranians. 90% of culture that today you Anatolis are holding are invented/borrowed from Iranian. Even many of your Islamic words are Persian origin Not Arabic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samanid_Empire