The incredibly bloody Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam

[Max]

1. If we are supposed to follow the Sahaba which one should we follow? Talhe and Zobeir whom fought Imam Ali (as) in Jamal or Moawia whom fought Imam Ali(as) and the other Sahaba fighting Moawia alongside of Imam Ali(as) in Saffain ? or Othman whom exiled Abozar al Qafari as a Sahabe?

Both sides fought against each other on bases of what they consider right, who are you to judge? did imam Ali misbehaved with Hazrat Ayesha (r.a) for jamal? if not then who gave right to some clowns of barking against them? didnt Imam Hassan (r.a) gave baiyat to Amir Muawaiyah (r.a)? are you trying to say imam offer baiyt to wrong person? didnt those shia whom you follow misbehaved with Imam Hassan (r.a) when he signed peace deal and offer baiyt?

2. In Islam there are 4 basis of Fiqh (the way we understand the religion): Quran, Qiyas , Ijma and Sunnah ... there is no Sawad-e-Azam ....

where is ijma when you dont follow majority of scholars which happens to be Ahll sunnat? Sawad e Azam is not there bcoz it will close shops of your 2 cent Mullah with their 2 cent fabricated beliefs..

6:116: And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

Again, this ayah need tafseer, and i will again say that Sawad e Azam does not include non Muslims.. now you should go and find tafsir of this ayah, which may open your eye that this ayah is asking us to not follow disbelievers who make majority.

In fact as prophet (pbuh) said Sawad-e-Azam are those whom that follows my Sunna and that of my Sahaba not every majority ....

I agree on this, The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) also said “Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)” [Ibne Majah]

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

I believe the safavid will go to heaven without judgments at all for the conversation of Iranian to sheasim!!!!

Imagine Iran another Pakistan or Saudi or Egypt the world would see more meat for ground

الحمد لله we the Shea of Iraq helped Iranian to be free of Devil believe.

Will Abdullah ibn Saba also go to heaven

And your country their are lots of meats are those animals meat

How is that related to my question about a holiday destination?

On a serious note come to my city i will give you free tour and take you good good restaurant

 

[El Sidd]

Will Abdullah ibn Saba also go to heaven

And your country their are lots of meats are those animals meat










On a serious note come to my city i will give you free tour and take you good good restaurant

Which city might that be?

 

[Aramagedon]

And your country their are lots of meats are those animals meat

Only because of Sunnis

 

[Dai Toruko]

They raped you a way worse than Iranians because Iranians were their fellow Muslims. For example Seljuks were slaves of Samanids but when they conquered anatoli they raped your forefathers. That's why 15% of your people are Turk.

You just talk shit.
Look at your Supreme Leader of Iran.
He is a turk and raped your country.

 

[El Sidd]

You just talk shit.
Look at your Supreme Leader of Iran.
He raped your country.

Do you have the answer?
The thread is stuck at " what holiday destination is better? ' post.

Don't derail the thread

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/safavid-conversion-of-iran-to-shia-islam.290051/

Man this is as old as time itself

 

[Aramagedon]

You just talk shit.
Look at your Supreme Leader of Iran.
He is a turk and raped your country.

He kick your azzes and wahhabi asz.

 

[El Sidd]

He kick your azzes and wahhabi asz.

Sri Lanka is quite mystical too.
But again the weather.
Maybe in winter

 

[Aramagedon]

Sri Lanka is quite mystical too.
But again the weather.
Maybe in winter

Come to Iranian cities, Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, Yazd, Mashhad, Tabriz, Qeshm , Kish...

 

[El Sidd]

Come to Iranian cities, Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, Yazd, Mashhad, Tabriz, Qeshm , Kish...

Lol.
Who said I have not been there?
But Isfahan is on the redo list.

 

[Aramagedon]

Lol.
Who said I have not been there?
But Isfahan is on the redo list.

Talk about your experience in Iran.

 

[El Sidd]

Talk about your experience in Iran.

Who cares what i think man?
You have done enough to help promote tourism here in the thread.
Need i say more?

 

[Aramagedon]

Who cares what i think man?
You have done enough to help promote tourism here in the thread.
Need i say more?

When others insult your Shia Islam you can not answer better. Anyway good luck

 

[El Sidd]

When others insult your Shia Islam you can not answer better. Anyway good luck

Lol

Sure.

Quote sayings from prophet and in the same post boast about Rape and Racism and name-calling.

Stop defaming Shia brothers of Pakistan and Shia sect of Islam.


So any other destinations?

 

[veg]

Stay blessed that's all i can say. You cannot be reasoned with
According to you
Muslim traders were rich in Malays thats why they casued 90% of population to convert to Islam. The alone reason being rich here.
But Middle eastern conversion was by sword.
And Islam is not in India and Spain Because Preaching failed there. Here Malays approach dont apply. No matter they had both money and Power there.
And Mongols Converted to Islam due to Politics (To gain influence among people) And the people then Accepted The Religion of the king?

And the conclusion of all your above point is Islam is spread by power and sword.

Well whatever you want to believe. Stay blessed


Middle easter paganism was a offsoot of Abraham religion. They worshipped God of Abraham and Other Ibrahimic Prophets. They were not Like Hindu Pagans or Greek Pagans. Islam is also ibrahimic religion. So they converted gradually as a more complete doctrine of abrahamic faith came along instead of rag tag faiths and believes without a substantial book or scholarly base to withstood. Christians still live in Middle east where they always lived i.e around Syria. Zoroastrians still live in Iran and Afghanistan.

Please don't get angry upon me, I was stating merely the facts.

In Indonesia, the spread of Islam was indeed slow till the 15th century, despite the Trading. It was only after that that Islamic State was formed in Indonesia and that imposed Islam there and Buddhist and Hindus were forced to change or to leave and finally they got asylum in Bali area.

Perhaps this link will help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia
Initially, the spread of Islam was slow and gradual.[4] Though historical documents are incomplete, the limited evidence suggests that the spread of Islam accelerated in the 15th century, as the military power of Melaka Sultanate in Malaysia and other Islamic Sultanates dominated the region aided by episodes of Muslim coup such as in 1446, wars and superior control of maritime trading and ultimate markets.[4][5] By the time European merchants such as Portuguese and Dutch traders began actively trading in Indonesia in the 16th century, Buddhism and Hinduism were extinct in the major islands of Indonesia, except for pockets such as Bali which became the refuge for the Hindus from other Indonesian islands after Muslim Sultanates and Hindu kingdom wars in the 15th century.[6][7][4] The eastern islands of Indonesia remained largely animist until the 17th and 18th centuries when Christianity became predominant in those areas.​

It is human nature that they worship the rising sun.
It may be that Tabligh had also played a role, but then again the Tabligh of Rising Sun is much more effective than the Tabligh of a poor person.

For example, there are 200 Million Muslims in India. But there is hardly any conversion of Hindus in India at moment. It is due to the reason that Muslims are backward at moment and not the rising sun any more.