Taiwan worries it will lose TSMC after Morris Chang confirmed its 3nm fabs and more engineers will be moved to US.

[Beast]

You are wrong. There are plenty of American, Indian, and European engineers working in TSMC, especially in the early days when Morris Chang started the company.

Lol... Do u know the core of TSMC during it's establishment are all done by Taiwanese themselves including the famou Liang mong soon working for SMIC. They are the heart and brain of TSMC. The indian and European u mention are just small fry which can be replaced by anybody.

 

[gambit]

Nice cheapshot when the desperation is on US side. China has the market on our side. We have no worry. The effort to build advance chips are in progress.

Cheap shot? I just stated facts, buddy. You can repeat that 'China has the market' all you want but all it does is show you do not know what you are talking about. You are just trying to reassure yourselves.

And you are naive to think Taiwanese are dumb to teach american know how? You have your way, so as the Taiwanese. Now u are asking them to know how to end their market shares.

Again, this just goes to show that YOU do not know what you are talking about, and I can repeat that all day. When TSMC is fully integrated into US semicon industry, knowledge sharing is inevitable.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They didn't follow US ban on mature DUV, the export to China still continue. Dutch are not stupid to follow US badly. Worst come to worst Dutch ban all EUV to US companies. Asking Dutch not export any machine to China is as good as asking them not to make any profit.

If ASML can't survive , so is US semiconductor companies.

Right, but they don't have "Forty-two countries around the globe" saying they can't sell DUV machines like they do with EUV machines. That's more than just a US problem.

LOL Tell that to your Japanese friends.

Japanese-American Incarceration During World War II​

LOL! Well..so were the Germans...why are you completely ignoring that?? They even got it for 2 Wars!!!

Internment of German Americans - Wikipedia

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Internment of German Americans​

Internment of German resident aliens and German-American citizens occurred in the United States during the periods of World War I and World War II. During World War II, the legal basis for this detention was under Presidential Proclamation 2526, made by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt under the authority of the Alien Enemies Act.

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You don't hear much about it because unlike Asians and Africans the Germans don't play up a "perpetual
victim" mentality.

Oh BTW Italians were interred too.

Internment of Italian Americans - Wikipedia

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[nahtanbob]

Play what? It's not a play, Okay? No country dares to play on its territory integrity issue. The red line is there. China had drawn it long ago. And everyone knows there is a red line. Those who play it must pay a cost.

Taiwan is not a part of China right now. Is it ? Or is it not ?

 

[kankan326]

Taiwan is not a part of China right now. Is it ? Or is it not ?

Go ask your government make an offical statement.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Right, but they don't have "Forty-two countries around the globe" saying they can't sell DUV machines like they do with EUV machines. That's more than just a US problem.



LOL! Well..so were the Germans...why are you completely ignoring that?? They even got it for 2 Wars!!!

Internment of German Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Internment of German Americans​

Internment of German resident aliens and German-American citizens occurred in the United States during the periods of World War I and World War II. During World War II, the legal basis for this detention was under Presidential Proclamation 2526, made by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt under the authority of the Alien Enemies Act.

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You don't hear much about it because unlike Asians and Africans the Germans don't play up a "perpetual
victim" mentality.

Oh BTW Italians were interred too.

Internment of Italian Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Any more odd Whataboutisms???

Well what about...
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Yes Japanese, Germans, Muslims, Asians has all been targetted. Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[nahtanbob]

Go ask your government make an offical statement.

It is a separate country as far as I go. It has its own legislature, own flag, own currency, own military

 

[kankan326]

It is a separate country as far as I go. It has its own legislature, own flag, own currency, own military

Same to CSA in 1861.

 

[jhungary]

It will not, if we discount the construction of the fabs, which includes installation of all the tools. When words became official that TSMC, Intel, and Micron will expand in the US, I was headhunted to AZ, so I started asking questions in my (engineering) network.

All the major semicon manufacturers have their own version of Intel's 'Copy Smart' program.

Copy Exactly! - Wikipedia

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Despite its simple concept, it is actually very difficult in execution, and I do not use the word 'very' in a casual manner. It require a near military discipline level of doing anything. You have at best a %5 margin of flexibility in doing anything, and whatever deviation encountered that require you going outside of that margin, you need M2 or even 'Director' level approval, meaning going back to Santa Clara, virtually or physically, to explain the why/what/when/where the deviation occurred. For example, Asians are generally shorter statures than Europeans so tools must be ergonomically adjusted from site to site, and this would be a 'Director' level approval change because ergonomics were found to have direct correlation to yield.

Anyway...Once a site is physically up and running wafers, it has taken Intel as soon as two wafer start cycles for products to be commercially accepted. Industry norm is four cycles or two yrs. A wafer start cycle is literally from when a batch starts its first chemical cleanse to when the wafers leave the Probe Dept, where I am currently working, and that is about 4-6 months. So halving the time for a site to be commercially accepted is an accomplishment. So if we are looking at 2-3 yrs of fab construction, maybe stretching out to 4 yrs to accommodate delays, then 1 to 1.5 yrs for product acceptance, we are looking at 5-6 yrs for TSMC US to match Taiwan's. It will not be easy but it is doable.

The bottom line here is that the combination of COVID and the Ukraine-Russia war shocked the First World countries into realizing how foolish we were in being so dependent on Asia for semicon products, and how threatening China is to that global stability of semicon products. The belief, rightly or wrongly, is that the CPC is willing to destroy the industry over Taiwan, and everyone is willing to spend billions to preserve the industry. Geography and geopolitical considerations made CONUS the safest place to preserve and expand the industry. The EU is slightly less secure because of the proximity to Russia, as we are experiencing that vulnerability now.

I don't know, I have read a RAND report somewhere that said those new Intel and TSMC fab would take years if not decade for them to be operational in a capacity as the one in Taiwan.

I also doubt Taiwan will transfer everything from Taiwan to the US or Israel because as I said, that is probably the ultimate leverage the Taiwanese has not just to the US but also the entire world to do something so China won't do a hostile take over, if they really do transfer their technology, then geopolitically, they are probably signing their own death warrant....

No war needed. TSMC is taking apart their plant and moving them to the US along with all the engineers. Once the move are completed, Taiwan will be discarded.

lol, do you really think they are giving that up??

 

[Beast]

Taiwan is not a part of China right now. Is it ? Or is it not ?

Why not u ask US constitution? Arent u an American who will follow US laws?

 

[theBill]

Lol... Do u know the core of TSMC during it's establishment are all done by Taiwanese themselves including the famou Liang mong soon working for SMIC. They are the heart and brain of TSMC. The indian and European u mention are just small fry which can be replaced by anybody.

Why don't you ask him for proof? Morris Chang started TSMC because he hit the "bamboo ceiling"... Chang had a ceremony a few years back to honor employees from the early days of TSMC.. I did not notice one non Chinese.

Documentary about TSMC beginnings [Mandarin]

 

[Beast]

I don't know, I have read a RAND report somewhere that said those new Intel and TSMC fab would take years if not decade for them to be operational in a capacity as the one in Taiwan.

I also doubt Taiwan will transfer everything from Taiwan to the US or Israel because as I said, that is probably the ultimate leverage the Taiwanese has not just to the US but also the entire world to do something so China won't do a hostile take over, if they really do transfer their technology, then geopolitically, they are probably signing their own death warrant....


lol, do you really think they are giving that up??

For once I agree with you. I don't know why some idiot so easily believe Taiwanese really stupid enough to transfer their know how to USA. Just becos some media break the news and they take it real.

 

[Beast]

Why don't you ask him for proof? Morris Chang started TSMC because he hit the "bamboo ceiling"... Chang had a ceremony a few years back to honor employees from the early days of TSMC.. I did not notice one non Chinese.

Documentary about TSMC beginnings [Mandarin]

These racist slayer always believe any technology marvel of breakthru always need a white man behind their success. TSMC rise up without them must have leave them bewildered....

Btw, Taiwanese are Chinese too. Don't tell me nonsense like they are another race with different DNA.. blah blah blah....

 

[Beny Karachun]

Harvard, Yale etc do not given admissions based on merit rather on nepotism, race and money.

US Supreme Court takes up race-based college admissions​

US Supreme Court takes up race-based college admissions

The Supreme Court's decision could radically alter how universities manage admissions.

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You're right about that one honestly. Stupid universities accept Africans, Arabs, Latinos at a higher rate to "make up for oppression".

Same thing happens here, and that's why Jews need to be complete genuises in order to be a doctor whereas Arabs need much easier to achieve filtration grades.

Anyways, my point is, if you're looking at the IQ bell curve in the US, you'll see that a lot are 130+ IQ. At any age.

For once I agree with you. I don't know why some idiot so easily believe Taiwanese really stupid enough to transfer their know how to USA. Just becos some media break the news and they take it real.

They're paid for it

It is only the US who are doing that. France got sanction by China for selling arms to Taiwan. Nobody dare to sell arms to Taiwan except USA. So what is your point?

That the US is doing that and essentially "declared war" on China by doing so.

China and Taiwan are officially still in civil war. Offering weapons and sending diplomats to one side were not rarely seen when a country was in civil war. For example, US civil war, Spanish civil war. But one side joinning in other country is another story.

Honestly speaking.

Do you truly want that "unification"? Even though that would certainly mean a war with potentially hundreds of thousands of dead, or far more if it becomes a world war?

This situation is not like us with the Palestinians, there are no real battles, no one died, no bad blood. China seems to be succeeding without Taiwan so there's no need for it, why risk such a war?

 

[mr.robot]

The shortage of STEM workers in USA is the biggest hurdle. I doubt it to be doable.