Swiss halt Muslim family's citizenship process after refusal to shake hands

[flamer84]

Switzerland has suspended the citizenship process for the family of two teenage Muslim brothers after the boys’ refusal to shake hands with their female teachers sparked a national debate over religious freedoms.

The brothers, aged 14 and 15, had informed education officials in the northern municipality of Therwil that physical contact with women who are not family members violated their faith.

They were then exempted from a Swiss custom of pupils shaking teachers’ hands, with Therwil officials instructing them to avoid contact with male teachers as well to avoid gender discrimination.

But the compromise sparked a heated response from leading Swiss politicians including the justice minister, Simonetta Sommaruga, who insisted that “shaking hands is part of [Swiss] culture”.

On Tuesday, authorities in the canton of Basel-Country where Therwil is located, said that naturalisation proceedings for the family had been put on hold.

Basel-Country spokesman Adrian Baumgartner, in an email, confirmed a report from the ATS news agency on the suspension.

The report also noted that such suspensions are common in citizenship procedures as authorities often require supplemental information about the families concerned.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/19/switzerland-suspends-citizenship-process-muslim-family

 

[CHD]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/19/switzerland-suspends-citizenship-process-muslim-family

Another anti muslim thread from @flamer84

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Should have taught all about these problems before teaching others democracy through bombers and fighter jets

 

[Established_1965]

ah!

Muslims men don't shake hands with female? Is it true? because in SG, I haven't seen such type of things with Indonesian and Malaysian muslims :-/

 

[flamer84]

Another anti muslim thread from @flamer84

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Should have taught all about these problems before teaching others democracy through bombers and fighter jets

Just reporting the news from Europe.It has quotes and a link.Why so upset ? Shall we pretend things don't happen ?

Yeah,the Swiss are known for their military interventions in the last 150 years.Do all kaffirs look the same to you ?

 

[CHD]

What's anti muslim about not shaking hands?

He post threads only when he finds some anti muslim news like immigrants coming to Virgin Europe to rape.Like Europe was rape free before and that famous stories of new years eves when muslims raped thousands of women in Europe

 

[JonAsad]

Just shake hand with that women boys- you will not become kaffir for that-

 

[SwAggeR]

Sharia is what they long for after all then, why don't they go to Middle East instead of progressive Europe or other such non-Sharia practicing parts of the world ?? Messed up in head ??Or there is something more than what meets the eyes ??

I guess all non- sharia countries should make practising sharia rules punishable offence.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

ah!

Muslims men don't shake hands with female? Is it true? because in SG, I haven't seen such type of things with Indonesian and Malaysian muslims :-/

In Sweden, a muslim minister, Mehmet Kaplan, decided to resign from the government (was forced to) due to
contacts with extremist like the Turkish Gray Wolves.
The revelation that he previously was calling Israel Nazis was the final nail in the coffin.

Even the pro-Palestinian foreign minister Margot Wallström criticized him in strong words.

The environmental party, where mer Kaplan belonged, then planned to replace him with another Muslim,
which refused to shake hand with the female interviewer just a few hours after the announcement.
Within a day, this Guy had resigned from all positions and declared that he has left politiks.

In Sweden we shake hands, Also with women..
Refusing is an insult both to the Female in question and to Women in general.

 

[Hyperion]

Excellent. Extremists need to stay away from places they despise, in this particular case.... The West. I also knew a few such radical families, who'd 'pretend' to be super Islamic, yet, only dream they had was of settling in either Australia or Canada. Screw such munafiqs, they need to settle in their spiritual homeland, Super Saudi Arabia.

 

[Norwegian]

Excellent. Extremists need to stay away from places they despise, in this particular case.... The West. I also knew a few such radical families, who'd 'pretend' to be super Islamic, yet, only dream they had was of settling in either Australia or Canada. Screw such munafiqs, they need to settle in their spiritual homeland, Super Saudi Arabia.

Exactly. No need to live in modern Switzerland with such stoneage beliefs.

 

[flamer84]

In Sweden, a muslim minister, Mehmet Kaplan, decided to resign from the government (was forced to) due to
contacts with extremist like the Turkish Gray Wolves.
The revelation that he previously was calling Israel Nazis was the final nail in the coffin.

Even the pro-Palestinian foreign minister Margot Wallström criticized him in strong words.

The environmental party, where mer Kaplan belonged, then planned to replace him with another Muslim,
which refused to shake hand with the female interviewer just a few hours after the announcement.
Within a day, this Guy had resigned from all positions and declared that he has left politiks.

In Sweden we shake hands, Also with women..
Refusing is an insult both to the Female in question and to Women in general.

I find it scary that in Sweden these lovely chaps get in these high positions in the first place.

 

[Penguin]

If a racist white woman refuses to shake hands with non-white men, then these albinos don't have any issue with it.

And you know this how? What material do you have in support of this allegation?

How these attention seeking white women are falsely accussing Muslim men of raping them is disturbing.

And you know this how? What material do you have in support of this allegation?

These women will cry rape if Muslim men try to shake their hands.

And you know this how? What material do you have in support of this allegation?

I am glad that these smart boys didn't fall for the bait.

The boys refused to shake hands with their female teachers. Are you suggesting these schoolteachers are out to molest their male students? You know nothing about these teachers, other than that they are female and in Switzerland. You have no way of telling if they are white, or rascist in their beliefs. In short, you blab without knowing what you talke about.

Your use of the term 'albinos' to indicate the Swiss population (which consists of German 65%, French 18%, Italian 10%, Romansch 1%, other 6%) is in itself rascist and deliberately chosen to insult. For which I have reported your post to forum management.

 

[Penguin]

Interesting read.
http://www.rukhsanakhan.com/articles/shakinghands.html

In Western culture, etiquette (apparently) prescribes that a man waits for a woman to offer her hand first. If she does, then you shake it just as you’d shake a man’s.
http://www.gq.com/story/women-hand-shaking

Inappropriate Handshakes?
Is there such a thing? Yes, and no. Not so many years ago young people were taught that when a man and woman are introduced, the woman should always be the one to offer her hand. She could forego the handclasp and simply nod her head in greeting. Whether she offered or did not offer, she was behaving according to social etiquette.

Now the rules of handshake etiquette are a little blurred. Men who are accustomed to treating women as they would in the business realm freely offer their hand to everyone they meet. This may appear to be a magnanimous attitude on a man’s part, but it puts the woman he greets in a position where she appears impolite unless she takes his hand.

Does this social rule still apply today? It should, for several reasons: It is still important to some, especially the elder generations, to whom we should show honor. But more importantly, women who have suffered abuse find it very difficult to be trusting in even this simple gesture.

So if you are a man, always wait for her to extend her hand. You give her honor by letting her initiate, but do not be offended if she does not. If you are a woman, be mindful that some men are confused and easily embarrassed. Unless you are attending a cotillion, your choice of offering your hand is never impolite, and will put your new friend at ease.

http://www.lifescript.com/well-being/articles/a/a_guide_to_proper_handshake_etiquette.aspx

Unfortunately, Western etiquette does not specifically speak to the situation where a male refuses to shake with a woman, as far as I can tell. So, 'our ' etiquette' may actually be harder for male muslims to deal with, than it is for women.

Q: I was surprised to read your answer that women and men should always shake hands upon meeting. “Good manners” used to say that no man ever offered his hand to a woman unless the woman extended her hand first. I no longer offer my hand at all because of arthritis pain. The last time I returned a proffered hand from a man resulted in my howl of pain when he squeezed too tight! What can I do?

A: You’re right — there was a time when a man didn’t offer his hand to a woman unless she reached out first. But like the custom of chaperones for young women, this tradition has changed. Today, everybody shakes hands, and it’s perfectly appropriate for a man to offer his hand to a woman first. Normally, refusing to shake hands is a serious mistake. Why? Because our society is conditioned to expect that an extended hand will be reciprocated. When it isn’t, the focus turns from “Hi, how are you?” and the ensuing conversation to “What’s wrong? Did I say something to make him/her mad at me?” With a condition such as yours, I suggest acknowledging the situation so you don’t leave the other person wondering what’s going on: “It’s so nice to meet you. Please excuse me if I don’t shake your hand, but I have painful arthritis.”

http://emilypost.com/2012/04/handshake-habits-proper-introductions/

I would think explaining and clarifying is a good route to take, though it may still leave the person who was expecting a shake but got a refusal to feel like there is something wrong.

See this example: http://translationtimes.blogspot.nl/2014/02/business-etiquette-not-shaking-hands.html

Some feel it is almost the wordt social faux pas to refuse a handshake, short of slapping someone in the face. One should realize that.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=8K0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1463,893161&hl=nl

In Japan, ignoring a greeting (bow), is similar to refusing to shake hands in Europe.

I don't think it is an issue for government to make rules on, though, even if I do also feel that it may hamper social integration in a new home country.

The issue applies for orthodox Jews and orthodox Hindu's too, by the way.

 

[SBD-3]

ah!

Muslims men don't shake hands with female? Is it true? because in SG, I haven't seen such type of things with Indonesian and Malaysian muslims :-/

These are what we call "Ultra Muslims". Shaking hands would have led to certain heated debate making the issue serious.

 

[Kaniska]

Excellent. Extremists need to stay away from places they despise, in this particular case.... The West. I also knew a few such radical families, who'd 'pretend' to be super Islamic, yet, only dream they had was of settling in either Australia or Canada. Screw such munafiqs, they need to settle in their spiritual homeland, Super Saudi Arabia.

Spot on....Exactly...Why do all these people just not go the place where they would love to be???....If any one would like to a pious religious person in Islam then best place in Gulf nations...Rather they will wait for going to West and expect that rest of the world should fall in line with their thoughts and beliefs.