Support for Nato membership soars to 76% in Finland

[kankan326]

Lol, China have enough coal for 200 years? Australia don't even have that much lol, and we are the world largest exporter. Again, talk is useless, try us on Iron and Aluminium ore again and you WILL see

I hope you understand Chinese.

How many missile do you think Russia had used? Conventional number suggest Russia have used 600 missile by day 14 (March 11) 1600 missile by day 34 (March 31) somewhere between 2000-2500 by day 60 (April 24) Between 3000-3500 by May 1, Somewhere below 4000 by now. US uses less than 2000 cruise missile during the 2 months of war in Iraq. Russian have used more missile than Aerial Sortie, that's the reason why Russia still have no gained Air Superiority. And I have fought 2 wars, how many wars you have fought for me to Believe you?

From where you got these data? Ukraine said until end of April Russia only used 1300 missiles? Is that too many?

Again, if you believe you can make 1000+ J-20 during wartime only show that you know nothing about Manufracturing process.

Believe it or not. Up to you. The war has not happened so you can say whatever you believe. But you at least have some idea about China's mobilization ability from the covid war, don't you?

I did not mentioned Vietnam, India, Taiwan, Philippine, Indonesia too? So what about North Korea? And again, we have a whole entire war for you to see Missile is useless, I mean you are free to believe what you want, but fact is, Russian missile did not do much for the entire war in Ukraine, you can dig your head into the sand and pretend that never happen. And I hope and prey the Chinese Military Brass were as naive as yours....

Vietnam or India even Taiwan will not join the war. India and Vietnam are even reluctant to criticize Russia. How could they cooperate with US in the war? North Korea is a different case here. Kim knows if China falls, so will North Korea. And he will get South Korea if China wins. I said it again, for destroying air bases and aricraft carriers, missiles are more efficient than planes.

 

[jhungary]

I hope you understand Chinese.
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First of all, I do understand Chinese. But very obviously you don't

Tell me what does the highlighted in green mean?

It mean up to 100 years. How are you doubling that is beyond me...

First of all, that is a very generous estimate, as I said, Australia have 7 billion tons more than China (147 billions in Oz vs 139 billions in China) As I already mentioned the report from ABARE, we would have 92-108 years of Coal if we have 0 population growth. Now, how can you last more than we do when we have MORE COAL and LESS PEOPLE are beyond me.

Where you got these data? Ukraine said until end of April Russia only used 1300 missiles? Is that too many?
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First of all, today is not April 27, Second of all, and that number mostly refer to Cruise missile, Russian did NOT just fired cruise missile toward Ukraine, they have also fired short range/medium range Ballistic missile and Hypersonic Missile, it is not without logic that Russia fired 3-500 ballistic missile toward Ukraine during the same 50 or so days, and my number is from Oynx, the OSINT. They track how many Russian equipment expanded

And yes, 1300 missile within 50 days are a lot. Here are how many Tomahawk Missile US fired during different war.

Tomahawk (missile family) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Believe it or not. Up to you. The war has not happened so you can say whatever you believe. But you at least have some idea about China's mobilization ability from the covid war, don't you?

Again, mobilisation have nothing to do with sourcing parts that YOU DON'T HAVE. You are saying your supplier have to provide you with enough material just because you need it and you pay for it. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN IN REAL WORLD.

Vietnam or India even Taiwan will not join the war. India and Vietnam are even reluctant to criticize Russia. How could they cooperate with US in the war? North Korea is a different case here. Kim knows if China falls, so will North Korea. And he will get South Korea if China wins. I said it again, for destroying air bases and aricraft carriers, missiles are more efficient than planes.

That's your assumption if they don't join the war, if Vietnam, India or Taiwan didn't join the war then what make you think North Korea will? You cannot have 1 assumption made to one set of data and another for another set. Oh, you think China survival is important to North Korea and US survival in Asia is NOT for Vietnam, India and Taiwan??

LOL, you are funny. Why not saying China can almost certainly win a war with the US if US did not use Aircraft, Ship or Tank??.........

And fianlly, I am NOT going to reply to you with this anymore. This thread is ABOUT FINLAND JOINING NATO, not about China. Finland Government NOW PUBLICLY SEEK NATO MEMBERSHIP, so there are not much to talk about.

 

[kankan326]

First of all, I do understand Chinese. But very obviously you don't

Tell me what does the highlighted in green mean?

View attachment 843368

It mean up to 100 years. How are you doubling that is beyond me...

First of all, that is a very generous estimate, as I said, Australia have 7 billion tons more than China (147 billions in Oz vs 139 billions in China) As I already mentioned the report from ABARE, we would have 92-108 years of Coal if we have 0 population growth. Now, how can you last more than we do when we have MORE COAL and LESS PEOPLE are beyond me.

200 years is based on calculation 10 years ago. I didn't know the consumption rose so much. Isn't 100 years reserve still a big number? China's coal consumption will drop drastically. Xi said China will fulfill carbon neutral by 2060. 200 years is reasonable.

First of all, today is not April 27, Second of all, and that number mostly refer to Cruise missile, Russian did NOT just fired cruise missile toward Ukraine, they have also fired short range/medium range Ballistic missile and Hypersonic Missile, it is not without logic that Russia fired 3-500 ballistic missile toward Ukraine during the same 50 or so days, and my number is from Oynx, the OSINT. They track how many Russian equipment expanded

And yes, 1300 missile within 50 days are a lot. Here are how many Tomahawk Missile US fired during different war.

No. The news said "all missiles". It didn't mention the missle type. I believe most these missiles are short range ones. And their quality is questionable.

Again, mobilisation have nothing to do with sourcing parts that YOU DON'T HAVE. You are saying your supplier have to provide you with enough material just because you need it and you pay for it. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN IN REAL WORLD.

J-20 is an industrial product. Okay? And the production line has already been fully home-made. I don't know what can stop China producing more if China doesn't care the cost.

That's your assumption if they don't join the war, if Vietnam, India or Taiwan didn't join the war then what make you think North Korea will? You cannot have 1 assumption made to one set of data and another for another set. Oh, you think China survival is important to North Korea and US survival in Asia is NOT for Vietnam, India and Taiwan??

LOL, you are funny. Why not saying China can almost certainly win a war with the US if US did not use Aircraft, Ship or Tank??.........

Same logic can apply to South Korea and Japan. Why they have to let US use their territory to attack China? It's werid that you made the assumption that China will invade these countries if US leaves Asia. They will survive even US loses the war if they don't get involved.

North Korea have more reasons to cooperate with China. 1) Officially North Korea and China are still military allies. 2) North Korea will by no means survive if China loses the war with US. 3) The bonus is too big----South Korea.

 

[jhungary]

200 years is based on calculation 10 years ago. I didn't know the consumption rose so much. Isn't 100 years reserve still a big number? China's coal consumption will drop drastically. Xi said China will fulfill carbon neutral by 2060. 200 years is reasonable.

No. The news said "all missiles". It didn't mention the missle type. I believe most these missiles are short range ones. And their quality is questionable.


J-20 is an industrial product. Okay? And the production line has already been fully home-made. I don't know what can stop China producing more if China doesn't care the cost.

Same logic can apply to South Korea and Japan. Why they have to let US use their territory to attack China? It's werid that you made the assumption that China will invade these countries if US leaves Asia. They will survive even US loses the war if they don't get involved.

North Korea have more reasons to cooperate with China. 1) Officially North Korea and China are still military allies. 2) North Korea will by no means to survive if China loses the war with US. 3) The bonus is too big----South Korea.

As I said, I am NOT going to reply to this anymore, as we are seriously going off topic on this.

If you want my reply, you can go open a new topic. But will stop doing this here.

 

[Broccoli]

You will be renamed from Finland to Fireland very soon, be careful. You could end up being warred by proxy too.

Reality is that Russia has emptied it's garrisons near Finland and those units are right now getting mauled in Ukraine.

Whatever is left of those units won't be threatening Finland anytime soon.

 

[DF41]

Another question then. Who broke the status quo in Ukraine? Definitely it's not Russia.

Why USA and NATO instigating preparing and financing the war with Russia by enabling Ukraine to kill Russian speaking Ukrainians 8 years ago until Russia had to step in.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1524542707401637888

Because USA wanted to attack China.

To do that, USA /NATO had to destroy or weaken Russia first

As explained in video below

And Japan will come in on the side of USA

Thereby enabling China to take revenge for Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731 and free Okinawa Ryuku islands to be independant and under protection of China.

And free Hokkaido to be independant under the Ainu and protection of China

 

[Oldman1]

And that's exactly what the Russians are thinking and trying to avoid. That's why by getting Finland in NATO,you make it a target.

Well Russia is doing a bad job of it. Threatening Finland isn't going to cut it. Ukraine isn't part of NATO and that made them a target.

 

[Foinikas]

Well Russia is doing a bad job of it. Threatening Finland isn't going to cut it. Ukraine isn't part of NATO and that made them a target.

And you think that by welcoming all countries bordering Russia,into NATO...will make the Russians feel safer?

Thereby enabling China to take revenge for Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731 and free Okinawa Ryuku islands to be independant and under protection of China.

And free Hokkaido to be independant under the Ainu and protection of China

China will not fight against Japan. China will eventually betray Russia and take Siberia. In a future war. It has been foretold.

 

[Oldman1]

And you think that by welcoming all countries bordering Russia,into NATO...will make the Russians feel safer?

You think Russia having military forces near their borders as well as Kaliningrad makes them feel safer? Why else they joined NATO in the first place? Free membership to Costco?

 

[Apollon]

Turkey's been violating greek air space for decades. What has Sweden and any of the Baltic countries done about that? Nothing. Now,eat the cucumber. Sweden could join now,but Finland should remain neutral. And in any case NATO shouldn't escalate things and make it seem to the Russians that they will have to fight for survival against sanctions,war and half of Europe against them.

Why? Putin chose to attack Europe and you say now we should take his little feelings into consideration? Awww

 

[SecularNationalist]

All long time pro-NATO Finns like myself send their thanks to Mr. Putin

Just wait a lil bit. Shortly you will regret this.

Russia have depleted their military hardware and quickly running out of soldiers so how they will take on another country is any ones guess. A country far better than Ukraine

They captured Ukraine land by just using junk arms and tanks. It's a big misconception to think that Russia depleted its resources. What you saw in Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg.
Historically Finland was part of Russia and again it will be if finns dare to disturb the big brown Russian bear.

 

[Oldman1]

Just wait a lil bit. Shortly you will regret this.


They captured Ukraine land by just using junk arms and tanks. It's a big misconception to think that Russia depleted its resources. What you saw in Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg.
Historically Finland was part of Russia and again it will be if finns dare to disturb the big brown Russian bear.

Since Finland was part of Russia, it wouldn't matter what they did, dare or not. They are next on the list. Probably why they are freaking out over Finland joining NATO before they can deal with Ukraine and Moldova.

 

[Broccoli]

Just wait a lil bit. Shortly you will regret this.


They captured Ukraine land by just using junk arms and tanks. It's a big misconception to think that Russia depleted its resources. What you saw in Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg.
Historically Finland was part of Russia and again it will be if finns dare to disturb the big brown Russian bear.

lol, Russia is struggling projecting power few hundred kilometers from it's border and you pretend it's a superpower.

Try again.

 

[Foinikas]

You think Russia having military forces near their borders as well as Kaliningrad makes them feel safer? Why else they joined NATO in the first place? Free membership to Costco?

Of course they don't feel safe. I know it. But that's why they had been trying to be neutral for 60 years

 

[Ali_Baba]

Now is the best time for both Sweden and Finland to join - Russia is way way to busy in Ukraine to be able to lash out react to this event at all now - it needs all its resources for Ukraine.