Steady progress in building ASEAN Economic Community

[kalu_miah]

Korean would not accept leadership from Japan. This fact I know. You can ask any Korean.

True, that is why I said "joint leadership" lets say as co-leaders.

A military bloc against China? US probably want that to happen.
China is important to our security. Please see 2 of our princess on Chinese culture and arts.

Princess writing Chinese Characters.

Princess Sirinthorn with Deng Xiaoping.

Princess Chulabhorn on Chinese music.

ASEAN is not a single country. Each ASEAN member states are suspicious of each other.

To let you know, Year 1979 without China, Vietnam would have successfully invaded Thailand. I would have been speaking Vietnamese by now.

What if Japan request you to join this alliance as mentioned in this post below:
Steady progress in building ASEAN Economic Community | Page 3
will you refuse?

 

[xunzi]

True, that is why I said "joint leadership" lets say as co-leaders.

It is not possible nor it is effective to have joint-leadership. Single leadership is always more effective and efficient in coordinating a response. Beside when Indonesia grows stronger, I doubt they will accept Japan-Korea leadership. Both combine population don't even match Indonesia.

Sorry but Indonesia is such a cowardice country. You are willing to lick chinese asx in the hope to get some yuan in return. If you're a regional power, you would have acted differently.

You are a troublemaker country. STOP forcing Indonesia to fight for your claim islands. In fact, our Indonesian friends need to cock your head. LOL

 

[Raphael]

Sorry but Indonesia is such a cowardice country. You are willing to lick chinese asx in the hope to get some yuan in return. If you're a regional power, you would have acted differently.

If every country followed Vietnam's lead by antagonizing neighboring countries and refusing to respect their territorial integrity instead of focusing on economic development, they would all be as poor and industrially primitive as Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

that's why Vietnam never experienced a long term peace conditions after their independence. Too much Nationalism fervor and never trying to get a cold head to solve your problems diplomatically and elegantly. How i can say that, very much prove how Vietnam never fit to get a position as Indonesian are in ASEAN as a big brother. Who do you think getting the Cambodian back into track after their mishaps in the last conference by doing backdoor diplomacy? Who do you think trying so hard to getting the Chinese back to sit in the table and doing the talks regarding the South China Sea conflicts?

In ASEAN only Singapore who can acting in the same level of maturity as Indonesian in diplomatic stage, and together we bring ASEAN into another level than other regional organization in the world except of European Organizations. ASEAN itself never expect too much from Vietnam.

We are a martial race, and only want to defend our territory and art of living against aggressors. Sometimes we did not kill our enemies but just chopped up an arm and leg. Nobody can impose their will on us as we will fight until the bitter end. No matter the cost.

No, Indonesia is a nobody in Asean, in the region and the world.

 

[kalu_miah]

It is not possible nor it is effective to have joint-leadership. Single leadership is always more effective and efficient in coordinating a response. Beside when Indonesia grows stronger, I doubt they will accept Japan-Korea leadership. Both combine population don't even match Indonesia.

Those are good points. To tell the truth I don't know how this will work out. But if such a hypothetical scenario does take shape these questions about leadership will not be difficult to solve, I think. It can be worked out mutually between the 3 most powerful countries in this group - Japan, South Korea and Indonesia.
List of ASEAN countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[UKBengali]

It is not possible nor it is effective to have joint-leadership. Single leadership is always more effective and efficient in coordinating a response. Beside when Indonesia grows stronger, I doubt they will accept Japan-Korea leadership. Both combine population don't even match Indonesia.

You hit the nail on the head why @kalu_miah proposal is not realistic.

Indonesian economy will surpass South Korea next decade and then will slowly start creeping up towards Japan's. No way Indonesia will be dictated by Korea now or Japan in the future.

Anyway we all know joint leadership never works. Nato works as it is led by US but EU is not as effective as it does not have a single all-powerful leader.

 

[Nike]

We are a martial race, and only want to defend our territory and art of living against aggressors. Sometimes we did not kill our enemies but just chopped up an arm and leg. Nobody can impose their will on us as we will fight until the bitter end. No matter the cost.

No, Indonesia is a nobody in Asean, in the region and the world.

martial race? don't make me laugh, your thought is just kinda made me remember ancient community who can only using their muscle for brawl nothing else.

Indonesian is nobody? you made me laugh again. It is Vietnam who plea to Indonesian Soeharto to accept them to Joint ASEAN community and Indonesia with their big heart accept those pleas against concern from another ASEAN member who stand against a communist country and has fight them for a long time such as Singapore, Malaysia, Philippine and Thailand. Without Indonesian effort to accept your country to join ASEAN as a part of International community, your people must be living in shambles and under Chinese shadow for a long time like Myanmar. And once again, which is the country to recommend you to joint WTO and US market community if its not Indonesia. You should know your place before starting to barking.

 

[kalu_miah]

You hit the nail on the head why @kalu_miah proposal is not realistic.

Indonesian economy will surpass South Korea next decade and then will slowly start creeping up towards Japan's. No way Indonesia will be dictated by Korea now or Japan in the future.

Anyway we all know joint leadership never works. Nato works as it is led by US but EU is not as effective as it does not have a single all-powerful leader.

If Japan bring a proposal like this then it is no longer kalu_miah wild idea any more, or is it? Japan is still all powerful in this group, but they will accommodate both South Korea and Indonesia. No one will dictate anyone, there will be partnership for mutual benefit.

 

[somsak]

True, that is why I said "joint leadership" lets say as co-leaders.



What if Japan request you to join this alliance as mentioned in this post below:
Steady progress in building ASEAN Economic Community | Page 3
will you refuse?

I'm not government spoke man. I don't know Thailand stance.
Let me quote Thai Scholar on International Study: Remember, this is not yet Thai stance on and issue.

He said: "Vietnam-China is the conflict outside ASEAN. China sued the case to international court, Vietnam must go there. This is a normal bilateral conflict. "
He said "In the past, Thailand-Cambodia Preaj Vihear Border conflict, Philliphine- Malaysia Sahbah land conflict, all of these cases are submitted to international court. ASEAN does not have any process to reconcile like this."

In other words, for your question, it is highly likely that Thailand would say "Its your own problem, Im not relevant to your problem"



http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_news.php?newsid=TURObWIzSXlNREUwTURZMU53PT0=

 

[kalu_miah]

I'm not government spoke man. I don't know Thailand stance.
Let me quote Thai Scholar on International Study: Remember, this is not yet Thai stance on and issue.

He said: "Vietnam-China is the conflict outside ASEAN. China sued the case to international court, Vietnam must go there. This is a normal bilateral conflict. "
He said "In the past, Thailand-Cambodia Preaj Vihear Border conflict, Philliphine- Malaysia Sahbah land conflict, all of these cases are submitted to international court. ASEAN does not have any process to reconcile like this."

In other words, for your question, it is highly likely that Thailand would say "Its your own problem, Im not relevant to your problem"

http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_news.php?newsid=TURObWIzSXlNREUwTURZMU53PT0=

Individual countries will have the option to stay out, no question about that.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

We are a martial race, and only want to defend our territory and art of living against aggressors. Sometimes we did not kill our enemies but just chopped up an arm and leg. Nobody can impose their will on us as we will fight until the bitter end. No matter the cost.

No, Indonesia is a nobody in Asean, in the region and the world.

If we're "nobody" then what the hell are you?

SMGR to refinance Vietnamese unit debts
State-run giant Semen Indonesia (SMGR) announced on Friday that it had signed an offtake agreement with its Vietnamese subsidiary Thang Long Cement Company (TLCC) to help the latter refinance its US$140 million debts.

You guys can barely run a company I seriously doubt your claim.

 

[Viet]

If every country followed Vietnam's lead by antagonizing neighboring countries and refusing to respect their territorial integrity instead of focusing on economic development, they would all be as poor and industrially primitive as Vietnam.

what are you talking about? territorial integrity? you don´t know the meaning.
which country supports your territorial ambitions?

NOBODY!

China had been poor and backward recently, Forget the history? forget the millions of deaths caused by CCP? Now you make fun on our poverty and weakness? you are pathetic.
Chinese per capita income is still at lower end if compared to other developed countries. But you face with dirty air, toxic foods and extreme water shortage. Oh I forget you are the worst polluter. Congrat!

all chinese dysnaties collapsed when they thought had reached the sky. Why should commie china be an exception?

 

[Raphael]

what are you talking about? territorial integrity? you don´t know the meaning.
which country supports your territorial ambitions?

NOBODY!

China had been poor and backward recently, Forget the history? forget the millions of deaths caused by CCP? Now you make fun on our poverty and weakness? you are pathetic.
Chinese per capita income is still at lower end if compared to other developed countries. But you face with dirty air, toxic foods and extreme water shortage. Oh I forget you are the worst polluter. Congrat!

all chinese dysnaties collapsed when they thought had reached the sky. Why should commie china be an exception?

Lol, every time you post you sound like you're screaming and gasping for air. At least your grandparents had the excuse of being scalded by agent orange. You don't even have this excuse for being so angry and nonsensical.

Anyway your disingenuous point about nobody recognizing our claim to the Spratly Islands completely ignores that nobody supports your claim either. Because it is an entirely bilateral dispute, and responsible members of the international community don't take sides in bilateral disputes. But this is understandable - Vietnam's foreign ministry gives the impression that they have no concept or understanding of bilateralism.

It's also true that China was poor and backwards until recently, and our GDP/capita is still not impressive compared to developed countries. But you ignore that we we are focusing on economic development. Everyday, we see a flood of new articles about China's grand investments or trade deals. In contrast, Vietnam focuses on territorial expansion when what its citizens desperately need is rapid development and an overhaul of its economic model, instead of stealing more land to expand banana plantations. The Vietnam model seems to be "as long we can trade hundreds of crates of bananas for one missile, our economy is a success". Ignoring that the outside world feels nothing but contempt for your militarism, expansionism, and misplaced priorities.

 

[NiceGuy]

martial race? don't make me laugh, your thought is just kinda made me remember ancient community who can only using their muscle for brawl nothing else.

Indonesian is nobody? you made me laugh again. It is Vietnam who plea to Indonesian Soeharto to accept them to Joint ASEAN community and Indonesia with their big heart accept those pleas against concern from another ASEAN member who stand against a communist country and has fight them for a long time such as Singapore, Malaysia, Philippine and Thailand. Without Indonesian effort to accept your country to join ASEAN as a part of International community, your people must be living in shambles and under Chinese shadow for a long time like Myanmar. And once again, which is the country to recommend you to joint WTO and US market community if its not Indonesia. You should know your place before starting to barking.

Help VN mean help ur own country, u dont have any kind of weapons to destroy China air base in Spratly when VN have . U dont wanna collaborate with VN, then CHina jet fighter will come to kill u in near future

Ur country is well within China fighter's range from air base in Spratly isl

 

[Viet]

martial race? don't make me laugh, your thought is just kinda made me remember ancient community who can only using their muscle for brawl nothing else.

genetically speaking, we the Viets came from the West Pacific, a of austroindonesian race to the Red river delta some several thousands years ago. Over the times we had mixed with the Mongolians who came as settlers to the modern day North Vietnam. The mix made us to a martial race

But unlike the Mongolians, we never have intention to enslave the Han

We have told the Han 100,000 times in more than 2,000 years: the Viet and the Han are different in some world views to live under one roof, but you know the Chinese are known as autistic people. Once they stick to one thing, they follow it until the earth collapses.