Steady progress in building ASEAN Economic Community

[Cossack25A1]

As much as we have want to defend the islands we claim, we are not suicidal in starting a fight unless the country gets attacked by other claimants.

 

[Zero_wing]

Thats true

 

[Aepsilons]

Guys, let's not focus on the minor differences, but at the potential. Okay?

As it stands, the combined economies in ASEAN in GDP : $3.57 Trillion.

 

[nufix]

Guys, let's not focus on the minor differences, but at the potential. Okay?

As it stands, the combined economies in ASEAN in GDP : $3.57 Trillion.

yeah, let's count how many percent that so-called "the most powerful country in ASEAN that dwarfs Indonesia and anyone elses" contribute to that USD 3.57 Trillion

 

[somsak]

Guys, let's not focus on the minor differences, but at the potential. Okay?

As it stands, the combined economies in ASEAN in GDP : $3.57 Trillion.

In Thailand: Hosting Japanese Automobile Industry. Some of Thai companies do the auto-part supply to Japan Auto industry. Some do Japanese Car retails. There are many japanese factories in Thailand includes HOYA.

Lately, CP, one of Thailand gifted merchant, has just jointly invest in Automobile with Shanghai Auto (SAIC) to promote British Brand MG Car. Joint CP Shanghai Auto, bought the brand name last year.

For the year to come, according to local newspaper, we expect China to invest more in Thailand because many factories want to make use of ASEAN free trade. By opening factory in Thailand, somehow the owner can get profit from being made in ASEAN, I guess.

yeah, let's count how many percent that so-called "the most powerful country in ASEAN that dwarfs Indonesia and anyone elses" contribute to that USD 3.57 Trillion

 

[Nike]

yeah, let's count how many percent that so-called "the most powerful country in ASEAN that dwarfs Indonesia and anyone elses" contribute to that USD 3.57 Trillion

you rue the day with your tacky comment for some people it is very nice

 

[nufix]

you rue the day with your tacky comment for some people it is very nice

nah, this just reminds me of a shareholder meeting. Normally the major shareholders have all the talk during the meeting, the minors can just shut their mouth. When it comes to the 10 minutes break, the minor shareholders meet with another minor shareholders and start talk big about themselves but they keep it only between themselves. Unfortunately, some dumb minor shareholders start bringing that little-talk-between-themselves in to the meeting and some of the major shareholders will have to indirectly remind their position in that meeting by bringing up some little jokes "please do remind me, how many percent of this company do I own?"

 

[xunzi]

martial race? don't make me laugh, your thought is just kinda made me remember ancient community who can only using their muscle for brawl nothing else.

Indonesian is nobody? you made me laugh again. It is Vietnam who plea to Indonesian Soeharto to accept them to Joint ASEAN community and Indonesia with their big heart accept those pleas against concern from another ASEAN member who stand against a communist country and has fight them for a long time such as Singapore, Malaysia, Philippine and Thailand. Without Indonesian effort to accept your country to join ASEAN as a part of International community, your people must be living in shambles and under Chinese shadow for a long time like Myanmar. And once again, which is the country to recommend you to joint WTO and US market community if its not Indonesia. You should know your place before starting to barking.

You are too nice to these little Vietnamese. COCK THEIR HEAD! LOL

Those are good points. To tell the truth I don't know how this will work out. But if such a hypothetical scenario does take shape these questions about leadership will not be difficult to solve, I think. It can be worked out mutually between the 3 most powerful countries in this group - Japan, South Korea and Indonesia.
List of ASEAN countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Japan, South Korea, and Indonesia become the Germany, France, and Britain, it still wouldn't work for a military alliance. It is unfortunate though.

 

[Aepsilons]

You are too nice to these little Vietnamese. COCK THEIR HEAD! LOL


If Japan, South Korea, and Indonesia become the Germany, France, and Britain, it still wouldn't work for a military alliance. It is unfortunate though.

You're a bit pessimistic there, buddy. The good times are just starting.

 

[kalu_miah]

If Japan, South Korea, and Indonesia become the Germany, France, and Britain, it still wouldn't work for a military alliance. It is unfortunate though.

Can you please elaborate why not? I respect your opinion and would like to hear the reasoning behind it.

 

[Aepsilons]

yeah, let's count how many percent that so-called "the most powerful country in ASEAN that dwarfs Indonesia and anyone elses" contribute to that USD 3.57 Trillion

If you're referring to Indonesia, yes, its quite substantial. Total GDP is at $2.3 Trillion.

@UKBengali , @kalu_miah , @Indos , @madokafc

They key player in ASEAN will be Indonesia. Her economy alone, is at $2.3 Trillion. And as her industry and telecom and science research areas of expertise continues to grow, the potential for her to reach a $5 Trillion economy is inevitable. This is the reason why it is important to include Indonesia in any economic and perhaps future military partnership. Bangladesh, too, has much it can offer, in term of man power and natural resources that have yet to be totally capitalized upon. Japan, Indonesia and Bangladesh combined have a population of (128 million, 260 million, 150 million = ~538 million). The inclusion of other nations in ASEAN would also add a healthy balance.

ASEAN + Japan + Bangladesh' Combined GDP = $9 Trillion.

 

[xunzi]

Can you please elaborate why not? I respect your opinion and would like to hear the reasoning behind it.

First, the geographical location of the three main players, South Korea, Japan, and Indonesia are not conducive to a joint-operation in any shape or form. Communication will be problematic due to this. Basically they are disconnect from one another. I also mention about the upper potential of Indonesia as surpassing Japan/SK. That is not mentioning the rivalry between Japan and Korea. They will never accept each other as leader, especially when it comes to a military alliance that will be dictated by one player. As I said, joint-leadership is not efficient and not an option in a military alliance.

You're a bit pessimistic there, buddy. The good times are just starting.

You are free to try and let see if others accept Japan as leader. You know, being a leader, you first must demonstrate independent foreign policy or the partner states will just view you as an extension of US leadership meddling in ASEAN and South Asia affair.

 

[Aepsilons]

As I said before, we prefers cooperation in military hardware and defense industry if we want to help each other to contain China power, just like South Korea has done to us in the last recent years. Japan can also help us in engine development if Japan wants to use Indonesia as a buffer of China influence. It is better for Indonesia to be an honest broker in this conflict, as we know that almost every body has taken side now, but surely anything can happen in the future geopolitics.

The future seems bright between Japan and Indonesia, my friend. It is just this summer that our military has accepted a wider and more independent foreign policy, with guidelines to be materialized by end of this year. Just this June , Japan has now revoked our ban on military arms and technology sales. We have just signed a military R&D partnerships with Australia and Israel, to strengthen and embed Japanese arms into the world market. As well as to develop new designs.

Given our long term interest in Indonesia; our investments in industry, core, iron procurement, and plans to increase investments in the shipping corridor, it will only be inevitable for us to have military to military trade and engagements. It has only been this past year when ASEAN has invited Japan as observer status and ASEAN - Japan trade deals have boosted our two entities' bilateral trade.

Indonesia has a remarkable maritime industry, its indigenous shipbuilding capability. I believe with Japanese advanced technologies, Indonesia can capitalize on its innate strengths. And with Indonesia as a partner, the sky is the limit. From the Northern Pacific to the Southern Pacific, the seas will be secure.

You are free to try and let see if others accept Japan as leader. You know, being a leader, you first must demonstrate independent foreign policy or the partner states will just view you as an extension of US leadership meddling in ASEAN and South Asia affair.

A military alliance does not necessarily require one leader, but a security council group that will make uniformed decision. For the good of the collective. With a Pacific-Oriented alliance system, this will be more feasible.

Think of this as a modern version of a Greater East & South East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

 

[UKBengali]

If you're referring to Indonesia, yes, its quite substantial. Total GDP is at $2.3 Trillion.

@UKBengali , @kalu_miah , @Indos , @madokafc

They key player in ASEAN will be Indonesia. Her economy alone, is at $2.3 Trillion. And as her industry and telecom and science research areas of expertise continues to grow, the potential for her to reach a $5 Trillion economy is inevitable. This is the reason why it is important to include Indonesia in any economic and perhaps future military partnership. Bangladesh, too, has much it can offer, in term of man power and natural resources that have yet to be totally capitalized upon. Japan, Indonesia and Bangladesh combined have a population of (128 million, 260 million, 150 million = ~538 million). The inclusion of other nations in ASEAN would also add a healthy balance.

ASEAN + Japan + Bangladesh' Combined GDP = $9 Trillion.

Indonesia economy is actually just under 1 trillion dollars.

The big problem is that while Japan and Korea may see eye to eye, Indonesia may not.

For this block to hold together you really need the big three to pretty much be in sync all the time.

I am pretty sceptical that without a supreme leader, which even Japan cannot be, there is much chance of success.

The only real chance of a "balanced" Asia would be if India could be as successful as China but there is next to zero possibility of this happening in any of our lifetimes if ever. Besides Indians are unlikely to be able to get along with Muslim countries due to their dislike of Muslims and vice-versa.

Sorry but I forsee a Chinese dominated Asia which even Korea will join and few countries like Japan and India staying outside the Chinese dominated sphere

 

[Aepsilons]

First, the geographical location of the three main players, South Korea, Japan, and Indonesia are not conducive to a joint-operation in any shape or form. Communication will be problematic due to this. Basically they are disconnect from one another. I also mention about the upper potential of Indonesia as surpassing Japan/SK. That is not mentioning the rivalry between Japan and Korea. They will never accept each other as leader, especially when it comes to a military alliance that will be dictated by one player. As I said, joint-leadership is not efficient and not an option in a military alliance.

This is rather untrue. Japan has shown its interoperability with foreign navies through Pacific Partnership Program 2012, 2013, 2014. It has also participated in Exercise Malabar and have proven time and time again of its ability to project naval power in the very heart of the Indian Ocean. It has also even participated in RIMPAC, as well as CARAT.

In fact in these exercises, particularly CARAT, the navies and the militariesof South East Asia have proven their interoperability and communication skills.