Shalwar Kameez - a Pakistani dress?

[MultaniGuy]

Indian Salwar Kameez

Pakistani Shalwar Kameez

Usually Pakistani Shalwar Kameez is much baggier, while Indian ones are usually associated with Churidar pyjamas.

Even in India they don't spell it Shalwar they spell it "salwar."

 

[Peshwa]

The forum is not just Pakistani - or is it? I would never ask that question in a all Pakistani audience. If you carry a snap shot. Say in 1970. Vast majority of Pakistan was wearing Shalwar Kameez. Those not wearing it [minority] were either Indian migrants or those living adjacent to Indian borderlands in say Thar Parker.

Do the same in India 1970 and 90% of India was Sari. That tells you something.

I suppose that's one way to look at it. though prevalence of it does not necessarily pinpoint origin.
Afterall, it was designated "national dress" of Pakistan, so you will have an abundance of people wearing it, but does not mean its origins are from Pakistan.

http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_2013-09-20_164320.html

If we go by the link above, its origins are based on Mughal attire and prevalence in Punjab.
Both India and Pakistan share Punjab.

So to call it Pakistani would not be exactly right. But yes. I agree that its more common in Pakistan than in India.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Even in India they don't spell it Shalwar they spell it "salwar."

That is like getting the Italian "Pizza" and calling it "Piza" and adding bit of chili it. Then go around claim the "Piza" as Indian.

 

[Peshwa]

That is like getting the Italian "Pizza" and calling it "Piza" and adding bit of chili it. Then go around claim the "Piza" as Indian.

Or the difference between Pushtun and Pakhtoon.
Or the difference between Color and Colour.
Both are right, doesn't change the fundamentals of the idea being talked about...
Though I can see why you would like to mock the Indian pronunciation...your agenda is obvious.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

If we go by the link above, its origins are based on Mughal attire and prevalence in Punjab.Both India and Pakistan share Punjab.

This is classic example of revisionism going on as I said earlier. Shalwar Kameez was not Punjabi but from Frontier region of Pakistan. If you go back to 1940s all Pakhtuns wore Shalwar Kameez. Whereas many Punpabis [Muslim and Sikh] wore a Kameez with wraparound. So to claim Shalwar Kameez as Punjabi is utter rubbish. The fact is Shalwar Kameez was more centred around the Af-Pak borderlands. After 1950s rest of Pakistan followed suit the Frontier and adopted the Shalwar. Now we have Indians twisting history because they have discovered the Shalwar Kameez in particular post 1990s.

Even your Sikhs did not wear Shalwar Kameez until recently. If you look at 1947 footage during partition you can see Punjabis on both sides wearing this. Then the Sikhs worse a tight Pajama/kurta. And it is interesting that Sikhs were most influenced by the Frontier region.

 

[MultaniGuy]

This is classic example of revisionism going on as I said earlier. Shalwar Kameez was not Punjabi but from Frontier region of Pakistan. If you go back to 1940s all Pakhtuns wore Shalwar Kameez. Whereas many Punpabis [Muslim and Sikh] wore a Kameez with wraparound. So to claim Shalwar Kameez as Punjabi is utter rubbish. The fact is Shalwar Kameez was more centred around the Af-Pak borderlands. After 1950s rest of Pakistan followed suit the Frontier and adopted the Shalwar. Now we have Indians twisting history because they have discovered the Shalwar Kameez in particular post 1990s.

Even your Sikhs did not wear Shalwar Kameez until recently. If you look at 1947 footage during partition you can see Punjabis on both sides wearing this. Then the Sikhs worse a tight Pajama/kurta. And it is interesting that Sikhs were most influenced by the Frontier region.

usually Indians wear Pyjamas and churidars, but never Shalwars.
Shalwars are very Pakistani and Afghanistani.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And the reason you in India empasise the "Punjab" when it comes to Shalwar Kameez is simple. You can't very well stamp it as "Frontier" or "Pakhtun" because that would placing the SK to Pakistan. So you come up with the closest example - Punjab. Which happens also to be in India.

Nehru. Notice his skin tight "Pajama".

Notice Bose

Notice Gandhi and his followers

Nehru family

Now compare a Pakhtun tribal fighters 1947

I am sure you know who that is on the right. Notice his loose Shalwar.

@Peshwa

 

[Peshwa]

This is classic example of revisionism going on as I said earlier. Shalwar Kameez was not Punjabi but from Frontier region of Pakistan. If you go back to 1940s all Pakhtuns wore Shalwar Kameez. Whereas many Punpabis [Muslim and Sikh] wore a Kameez with wraparound. So to claim Shalwar Kameez as Punjabi is utter rubbish. The fact is Shalwar Kameez was more centred around the Af-Pak borderlands. After 1950s rest of Pakistan followed suit the Frontier and adopted the Shalwar. Now we have Indians twisting history because they have discovered the Shalwar Kameez in particular post 1990s.

Even your Sikhs did not wear Shalwar Kameez until recently. If you look at 1947 footage during partition you can see Punjabis on both sides wearing this. Then the Sikhs worse a tight Pajama/kurta. And it is interesting that Sikhs were most influenced by the Frontier region.



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LOL!
No one is twisting anything!! stop being so sensitive and insecure!
I provided you a link from a non biased base out of Singapore.
Not saying that the link has it right, but at least its directional!

Besides, couldn't it be that it became part of the Af-Pak regional attire due to the influence of the Mughals as stated in the link?!
In which case, its origins are not from the South Asian region but more Turkic.

I would be open to being corrected if you can prove this through an alternate source that describes the origins. But you cant expect to shove the information down peoples throats and force them to have them accept it!

Anyways, I have no horse in this race. My people, the Marathas and Goans don't sport this attire. I'm just here to learn.
Though I can tell that this is personal to you.

And the reason you in India empasise the "Punjab" when it comes to Shalwar Kameez is simple. You can't very well stamp it as "Frontier" or "Pakhtun" because that would placing the SK to Pakistan. So you come up with the closest example - Punjab. Which happens also to be in India.

Again, I didn't say this...you have a link to peruse at your disposal.
Use it maybe instead of dissecting poster psychology?! or provide an alternate source..simple!

 

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@Kaptaan you say that the saree is inferior to shalwar kameez but the female staff in the medical corps of the Pakistani military still have sarees as their uniform

 

[MultaniGuy]

LOL!
No one is twisting anything!! stop being so sensitive and insecure!
I provided you a link from a non biased base out of Singapore.
Not saying that the link has it right, but at least its directional!

Besides, couldn't it be that it became part of the Af-Pak regional attire due to the influence of the Mughals as stated in the link?!
In which case, its origins are not from the South Asian region but more Turkic.

I would be open to being corrected if you can prove this through an alternate source that describes the origins. But you cant expect to shove the information down peoples throats and force them to have them accept it!

Anyways, I have no horse in this race. My people, the Marathas and Goans don't sport this attire. I'm just here to learn.
Though I can tell that this is personal to you.



Again, I didn't say this...you have a link to peruse at your disposal.
Use it maybe instead of dissecting poster psychology?! or provide an alternate source..simple!

Shalwar Kameez is not really an Indian outfit. Sure some Indians may wear salwar kameez, but that is only some.

It isn't like Pakistan, where Shalwar Kameez dominates.

@Kaptaan you say that the saree is inferior to shalwar kameez but the female staff in the medical corps of the Pakistani military still have sarees as their uniform

Nobody in Pakistan wear Saris.

Ewww... yuck even the thought of it Pakistanis wearing Saris.

ANd yes the Saris is inferior to the Shalwar Kameez.

 

[Peshwa]

Shalwar Kameez is not really an Indian outfit. Sure some Indians may wear salwar kameez, but that is only some.

It isn't like Pakistan, where Shalwar Kameez dominates.

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Yep. That still doesn't make the origin Pakistani.
Its like saying the majority of America and Canada speaks English. So English is a north American language.
You maybe adopters, but not creators.
Prove me wrong. I'm happy to learn.
I have provided a link to my claim. Just saying.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

medical corps

True. 1947 influence. Like they jerk out Paan in Karachi. 1947 influence.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yep. That still doesn't make the origin Pakistani.
Its like saying the majority of America and Canada speaks English. So English is a north American language.
You maybe adopters, but not creators.
Prove me wrong. I'm happy to learn.
I have provided a link to my claim. Just saying.

Shalwar Kameez comes from Pakistan. Not from India.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yep. That still doesn't make the origin Pakistani.
Its like saying the majority of America and Canada speaks English. So English is a north American language.
You maybe adopters, but not creators.
Prove me wrong. I'm happy to learn.
I have provided a link to my claim. Just saying.

Its more Pakistani than anythin else!

Originally derived from persian clothes.

 

[Peshwa]

Shalwar Kameez comes from Pakistan. Not from India.

Am I now to just take your word for it?

http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_2013-09-20_164320.html