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Whats with the anger mate,

Yes i am biased against Saudis but that is because of my personal experience. I have lived in Saudi for 12 years and i am fully aware of their nature and have seen first hand how they treat Pakistanis.

As for the "so called fact" that they have done this without any expectation, you don't have any proof of that, also don't you find it odd that they supported us just as a contingent of our Army landed in their country.

Another thing you might not be aware off, is that in the US there is a movement to have Saudi Arabia blamed for the 9/11 attacks. Now i am just presuming here but maybe they supported us so that we will support them back.
There is no anger my friend.. but you are still presuming things against facts.. you are just trying to demean this important action for Pakistan..My friend I am of Saudi origin.. and if you had a bad experience there, thousands of Pakistanis did not..So one in a 10 000 might happen everywhere even here in North America or in Europe or even in China.. and BTW the contingent of 1000 Pakistani trainers was scheduled much before this has ever surfaced.. KSA with near 500k soldiers does not need soldiers to defend it.. it needed trainers and it gave priority to Pakistan.. many other nations would have been eager to send their trainers.. but for particular closeness, Pakistan was favored..Saudi Arabia is very powerful today on all levels..and it has its word to say be it with the US or Russia..
That movement in the US is dead and buried with testimonies from the CIA and US judges decisions.. that law still exists but for all nations that might hit the US..How could Pakistan support Saudi Arabia in that case while it has already "terrorism" issues with the US.. from the latter's point of view?
 
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I agree. But Iran has never been Pro-Pak by any sense of the imagination. I was up for neutral ties for them but them allowing India to set-up a military base at Chabahar means that even that is out of the window. Time to say good bye to any 'friendliness' with the Iran regime which is hypocritical at its best.

Can you please share an authentic source about this military base thing @chabahar..

Now I want to nuke Iran....I don't know why I am getting so angry at Iran and Pakistani establishment who allowed Iranians to manipulate us through media/proxies....

Stupid...to their core

Now remember that....REMEMBER THAT

Woah... i think you should take that comment back.Yes you are saying this in anger and Satan echoes that.
 
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Hi,

The Saudis may treat the pakistanis bad---but they will not intentionally stab us in the back---.

The Iranians will stab us in the back intentionally---.
Iran was stabbed by India in very dire circumstances ( if you remember when the UN sanctions needed one more vote to be applied to Iran.. guess who filled it!?).. I guess stabbers in the back like each other.... Iran also helped the US in Afghanistan, it was said that it had prepared the invasion plan for the US..or had helped in the planning.. it had bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor before Usrael.. but did not succeed in destroying it.. but Usralis coming from no one knows, could destroy it.. just like that !!!?
Anyway, I am glad that KSA has distanced itself from Iran a while ago.. And Pakistan should have done the same a while ago also.. it would have saved Pakistan from a lot of Bloodshed and problems..(at least in this period of time where Iran has been sanctioned by the UN.. and considered an enemy by the West..)
 
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Saudi Arabia joins Turkey and China to block U.S.-led initiative



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Pakistan Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, left, and Saudi Arabia's King Salman met in Riyadh in November. PHOTO: SAUDI KINGDOM COUNCIL/ANADOLU AGENCY/GETTY IMAGES


Saudi Arabia joined Turkey and China in a move to block a U.S.-led attempt this week to place Pakistan on an international terror-financing watch list, according to officials involved in the process, in a rare disagreement between Riyadh and the Trump administration.

Saudi Arabia’s move on behalf of Pakistan came just days after Islamabad said it would send more than 1,000 troops to the Gulf kingdom, which has expanded its military posture in the region since its 2015 intervention in Yemen’s civil war.

A U.S. effort to reverse the decision on the watch list was under way Wednesday at a meeting in Paris of the Financial Action Task Force, a secretive international body that monitors countries’ efforts to fight terror financing and money-laundering, according to the officials involved in the process.

The officials said the U.S. effort, which included pressure on the Saudis, raised the possibility of a fresh vote on action against Pakistan as soon as Thursday. The Pakistanis were scrambling to shore up support.

The Trump administration, angry with what it sees as inadequate efforts by Islamabad to combat terror groups, has sought to ratchet up pressure on Pakistan. Last month it said it was withholding $2 billion in security aid until it sees much stronger action against militants. U.S. officials also accuse Pakistan’s military of supporting some jihadist groups as proxies against neighboring India and Afghanistan.

Pakistan denies those accusations and says there are no terrorist sanctuaries within its territory.

Saudi Arabia is a close U.S. ally, with its crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, forming a personal bond with the family of President Donald Trump. It was Saudi Arabia’s surprise backing that secured the necessary opposing votes to block the U.S.

If U.S. lobbying is successful and the task force does end up adding Pakistan to its list of countries deemed “high risk” for doing too little to curb terror financing, banks, other lenders and international companies seeking to do business with the South Asian country could rethink financial ties, putting a damper on its already struggling economy.

The U.S. was supported in its effort to put Pakistan on the watch list by the U.K., France, Germany and other countries. The proposal was initiated at a working group, which is responsible for making recommendations to the 35 member nations and two regional groups that make up the FATF plenary. The meeting continues through Friday.


Pakistan was supported by China and Turkey heading into the FATF working-group meeting earlier this week. Turkey and the U.S. are allies as members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, though they are at odds with one another over actions in Syria.

The Trump administration has sought to work with Beijing to constrain North Korea’s nuclear-weapons program, but China has allied with Pakistan as a foil against India, where long-simmering tensions over the border have pitted Delhi and Islamabad against one another.

Pakistan had lobbied FATF member countries to keep it off the watch list. It also took last-minute action against Pakistan-based militant group Jamaat-ud-Dawa, complying with 10-year-old United Nations sanctions against the group, which the international community holds responsible for the 2008 Mumbai attack that killed 166 people.

“Our efforts paid,” said Pakistan Foreign Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif on Twitter. “No consensus for nominating Pakistan,” he said, adding, “Grateful to friends who helped.”

Whether Saudi Arabia sticks by Pakistan now is key, with the issue likely to come before the full FATF membership at the plenary meeting.

“We’re anticipating that the final decision would be made on Thursday of this week,” said Heather Nauert, a U.S. State Department spokeswoman, reiterating that Pakistan was among countries that aren’t doing enough “to crack down on terror financing, counterterrorism and the like.”

Riyadh, which didn’t respond to requests for comment, was acting on behalf of the entire Gulf Cooperation Council, the Saudi-dominated bloc of six Persian Gulf nations which are collectively a member of the FATF, said officials from the countries on the task force.

A State Department official said Pakistan’s efforts appeared deficient. “We look forward to additional information on how Pakistan is meeting these obligations,” the official said. Even if the U.S. fails to get Pakistan on the terror watch list this week, Washington can request that the task force revisit the list at its next meeting in June.

Pakistan says it has seized some 200 properties of Jamaat-ud-Dawa. However, the group’s leader, Hafiz Saeed, remains at liberty and was able to give a speech in Lahore on Friday—arresting him doesn’t come under Pakistan’s obligations to the U.N., Pakistani officials said.

While the U.S. long has had strategic relations with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan also has deep ties to the kingdom. Last week, Pakistan said it would send soldiers to Saudi Arabia on what it described as a training and advisory mission. Pakistan Defense Minister Khurram Dastgir-Khan told The Wall Street Journal that between 1,000 and 1,600 soldiers would be sent. That could double the existing contingent of 1,600 Pakistani soldiers there to train Saudis.

Pakistan didn’t tie the deployment to Saudi support on the watch list question and it wasn’t clear whether the two moves were linked. Mr. Dastgir-Khan said the proposed listing of Pakistan at the FATF was an attempt to introduce politics into what was a technical organization.

“This does seem unduly punitive and intrusive,” Mr. Dastgir-Khan said, pointing to Pakistan’s counterterrorism operations in recent years. “There is no logical reason for the FATF nomination.”

He said that the Pakistani soldiers would be “spread quite widely around the kingdom” under an agreement with the Saudis dating back to the 1980s.

“The Saudis now have enhanced training needs,” Mr. Dastgir-Khan said. “Pakistan is acting to bolster the capacity of the Saudis.”

Pakistan’s army chief, Gen. Qamar Bajwa, has made multiple visits to Saudi Arabia in recent months—including a meeting earlier this month with Prince Mohammad, according to a report from the official Radio Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia sent a $1.5 billion “gift” to Pakistan in 2014. Pakistan relies on overseas workers who send money home to prop up its economy and anemic foreign-exchange reserves. The 1.5 million Pakistanis working in Saudi Arabia provide the biggest chunk of those remittances—$5.5 billion last year, according to official Pakistani figures.


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US is now trap due to India. If Pakistan stop NATO supplies, where US will go? US foreign policy are not up to the mark. Seriously what are they thinking? This situation will create problems for US and if Pakistan enters into that list then due to pressure from public Pakistan immediately closed her border for NATO supply and US will start bearing 4 times higher operational cost and this figure will be much higher then they thought
 
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My thoughts as well. Thank you Saudia Arabia. Now can you please bend GCC to provide Pakistan the "most favoured" category for labour/workers. Send them Indians packing home to give Modi a kick up his as*s.

In return send all of Pakistan Army. Half to fight those Shia Houthis in Yemen and the other half to guard the Sauds - all sng in their palaces. Bottom line is all about dollars. A extra 2 million workers in KSA/GCC from Pakistan would mean about 20 million Pakistani's rising out of poverty which then would create a economic boom in Pakistan with GDP growth rising to maybe 7%. On the contrary as the 2 million unemployed Indian come back to India it would cause massive economic disaster for Modi. From airlines to demand inside India would fall leading to Indian economy slowing down.

If only ...
Oh man, you guys are funny, you view every thing in a narrow prism.

If Saudis do as you wish then it would have to cut a sorry face with 250 million Indian Muslims. It would be very easy to do a Ghar Wapasi on them.

In your hate over India you have forgot that Saudi is a birth place of Islam and every Muslim in this world have a equal right on it be it they are Indian or Pakistani Muslim.

What you wish can never every happen in real world if Saudi wants to be a leader of Muslims.
 
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Appreciate the support and agree with @Enigma_ , for once the ummah did work. Having said that those people having a go at Iran should realize Iran is not even a member of the "Financial Action Task Force on Money Laundering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Action_Task_Force_on_Money_Laundering#Types_of_Members). I am not taking any sides here but how will they support us on a platform of which they arent even a member!.

The way Iranians tried to sabotage our relations with Saudis thr' lobbies, that pisses me off.

I am not anti Iran unless she is going against Pakistan

What brothers are for..

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Ignore the bigots bro, know that a large proportion of Pakistanis the vast majority want brotherly relations with Iran. It is not a zero sum game.

I believe what you say regarding your services to Pakistan. I respect that, sir.

I am in no way a anti Shia. I just got hyped but I do support good relations with Iran. Just don't allow them to interfere in our internal affairs.

I think Iran should get closer to Pakistan rather than the other way around.

What is this to do with Iran? Iran is not a member of FATF. Why have one relation at the expense of the other? If Iran has good relations with India so does Saudi. Saudia gave that butcher of Gujrat the highest civilian award. Every international relation is transactional we sent our troops to train Saudis and they gave support at FATF. Pakistan will have good relations with Iran no matter what sectarians think because the mantra since CPEC has been regional connectivity.

I am all for relations with Iran....Just de-hyphenate your relations with Saudia when it comes to Iran.

Hmmm have i missed something? why are people bashing Iran on this thread?

@PaklovesTurkiye

Because Iranians tried to interfere in our decisions regarding Saudia...Their boot lickers did campaign against Saudia, tried to manipulate us against them.

This is your second anti-Iran post in this thread and it makes me wonder WTF is wrong with you. What has Iran got to do with FATF?

Saudi Arabia has bled us dry more than Iran and has used our forces and our man power to fight a proxy war with Iran within Pakistan, should we be thankful to Saudi Arabia for that? We have a border with Iran and for prosperity we need secure borders......do you want Pakistan to open yet another border with Iran for Saudi Arabia while we are already operating with hostile forces throughout our borders with Afghanistan and India?

We need to balance our ties with both Iran and Saudi Arabia, i.e. unless Saudi Arabia starts giving us benefits that get us out of the financial troubles that we are in. Whenever faced with a threat the Saudi's look to Pakistan but they do not offer reciprocal benefits to the same magnitude!

They promised USD 1.5 Billion in aid of which only 750 Million was received if I recall correctly, and how much of a difference did that make? When we provide our troops, our sweat and blood to the nation, they can atleast help us with our debt and/or free Oil.

Pakistan should go for a better deal with Saudis...We just don't know how to negotiate...Our defensive mindset is root cause of all problems from diplomacy to military...Read Mastan Khan posts...

We could have done much better - if we played yemen fiasco articulately...GCC would have been sponsoring Pakistan's defense budget, who knows. We allowed Modi to jump in GCC...

I have no ill will against Iran. SECURE border with her...Connect her into CPEC BUT don't allow anyone to interfere in your decisions.

Woah... i think you should take that comment back.Yes you are saying this in anger and Satan echoes that.

Yes...I regret that statement. I have nothing against Iranian people.

I just can't allow/tolerate them to sabotage our relations with Saudia thr' their lobbies in Pakistan
 
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Another illiterate, animal that feeds on Iran's funding and parasite sucking blood of Pakistan quoted my comment. An illiterate animal who hasn't read history even a bit. I'm not an expert on history matters. However, the one who read some history knows the vile, dirty, foul odor, $hity animals. One such example is Winchester, detestable creature.

@Winchester

Please calm down...No one is disloyal...

I know you guys are patriot

Sometimes misunderstanding happens.

Don't take any offense, guys
 
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@Winchester

Please calm down...No one is disloyal...
I know you guys are patriot
Sometimes misunderstanding happens.
Don't take any offense, guys
There is no misunderstanding here, whatsoever. When I spoke truth about the country he is loyal to and sympathizes the most, we all saw him triggered. This illiterate engages himself in feud discussion with me. With his each and every comment I've realized how illiterate he is. Hence, feeds on Iran's funding. With his nonsense comments he is always successful in ridiculing himself. Wait and watch his next foolish comment. There is a very tense discussion going on so we all need a joker like him that makes readers laugh at his nonsense.
 
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Whats with the anger mate,

Yes i am biased against Saudis but that is because of my personal experience. I have lived in Saudi for 12 years and i am fully aware of their nature and have seen first hand how they treat Pakistanis.

As for the "so called fact" that they have done this without any expectation, you don't have any proof of that, also don't you find it odd that they supported us just as a contingent of our Army landed in their country.

Another thing you might not be aware off, is that in the US there is a movement to have Saudi Arabia blamed for the 9/11 attacks. Now i am just presuming here but maybe they supported us so that we will support them back.



I agree we should only have Pakistan's interest at heart. Anyway i see alot of Iran bashing in this thread but i can't figure out what or how they back stabbed us again, can you please explain?

Uzair Balouch, Chahbahar leasing and development by India; FOR INDIA, resulting in encircling of Pakistan, Sectarian support (you can include Saudia in it as well). Supporting RAW activities from Iran and the list goes on...
 
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There is no misunderstanding here, whatsoever. When I spoke truth about the country he is loyal to and sympathizes the most, we all saw him triggered. This illiterate engages himself in feud discussion with me. With his each and every comment I've realized how illiterate he is. Hence, feeds on Iran's funding. With his nonsense comments he is always successful in ridiculing himself. Wait and watch his next foolish comment. There is a very tense discussion going on so we all need a joker like him that makes readers laugh at his nonsense.

Calm down, dear bro.

Lets end this
 
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If I was incharge I would put a bullet in Saudi lovers and Iran lovers! Leaving only Patriotic Pakistani people!
what about American aid lovers? bullet for them too? :cheers:
 
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what about American aid lovers? bullet for them too? :cheers:

That comment was in the context of this thread. The $$$ eating cretins are only a few hundred and they are being cleansed out at present.
 
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That comment was in the context of this thread. The $$$ eating cretins are only a few hundred and they are being cleansed out at present.
Just remember, as countries, you're only as good as your best options and best leverage.
 
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Hi,

Going into Yemen in support of GCC is not going against Iran---. It is to bring a quicker stability to the region.

A quicker and faster stability and peace in the region would have led to lesser bloodshed and destruction of land and property and national interests---.

Does one really think that anti govt Yemen would be able to defeat Saudi military and its " other " assets---. If not---then the war should have concluded with a quick solution to the problem---.

As it has not---and there are newereapons coming in that were never in the arsenal of the shia yemenis---which clearly showed the interest of the different country behind the issue being instigated.
 
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