Saudi Arabia Stymies U.S. Over Pakistan Terror List

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

What I am saying is not ANTI IRAN---but excluding Iran---.

Iran does not bring anything good to the table for Pakistan---. So the relationship with Iran should stay neutral---.

The relationship with Saudia / GCC brings a lots of benefits to Pakistan---now just because Pakistan has not been able to utilize them properly---it is not the Saudi / GCC problem---.

What interest would Iran have in Yemen war---nothing other than some of the Yemenis are very moderate Shias---other than that what---. Unless the sh-it was stirred by Iran to further its cause---.

 

[Imad.Khan]

That time had come in the past. Do you know Iran tried to attack Kabaah back in the days? SSG commandos were sent in to clear the holly Kabaah. You can search it if you don't believe me. You can only be a rock in front of real enemy if you recognize your enemy. What if you just don't recognize until its too late? Ponder over it, its worth the time. Allah says be ready to fight the enemies you know and for those also you don't know, but Allah knows it.

We all know that SSG was sent to fight the militants, but after reading your comment i wanted to make sure, so i researched and here are my findings

1. The attackers were lead by Mohammed Abdullah al-Qahtani & Juhayman al-Otaybi, they were brother-in-laws
2. Contrary to your statement above, they were not from Iran or supported by Iran, infact they were not even Shias
3. They both were Saudis and from Najd.
4. None of the 200+ attackers were from Iran, majority of them were Saudis.
5. Saudis had also requested the French for assistance.
6. Khomeini had actually supported the Saudis.


I have included a couple of links for you to verify. So i request you to stop spreading hate and please do some research before accusing people of a crime they did not commit.

Ref:

1. https://news.google.com/newspapers?...dq=king+khalid+and+grand+mosque+seizure&hl=en

2. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/mecca-mosque-1979.htm

Uzair Balouch, Chahbahar leasing and development by India; FOR INDIA, resulting in encircling of Pakistan, Sectarian support (you can include Saudia in it as well). Supporting RAW activities from Iran and the list goes on...

I agree on Uzair Baloch and Sectarian support by Iran that i find is Anti-Pakistan. As for leasing Chabahar to India, that is purely economical and how does that even impact Pakistan.

 

[Ace of Spades]

As for leasing Chabahar to India, that is purely economical and how does that even impact Pakistan.

Economy is the new world order. Period. Why do you think india is conspiring for CPEC to fail? We have to take shit from puny worthless countries because economically we are doing bad. Our leaders are enforced upon us so that our economy stays that way. India doing better economically is one way or the another bad for Pakistan. You live in australia and i live in europe. Do you think any european or australian give any damn about indians or have any respect or love for them. No. It's their governments who these days sees india as potential milking cow.

Now chahbahar have two purposes, to bypass gawader, which will hurt Pakistan economically and to keep eye on gawadar's activities and to provide cover for their spies. (kulbhushan episode). Don't confuse yourself bro. We live in a very nasty neighborhood. From Iran, Afghanistan and India all are no friends to Pakistan, will never be.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Economy is the new world order. Period. Why do you think india is conspiring for CPEC to fail? We have to take shit from puny worthless countries because economically we are doing bad. Our leaders are enforced upon us so that our economy stays that way. India doing better economically is one way or the another bad for Pakistan. You live in australia and i live in europe. Do you think any european or australian give any damn about indians or have any respect or love for them. No. It's their governments who these days sees india as potential milking cow.

Now chahbahar have two purposes, to bypass gawader, which will hurt Pakistan economically and to keep eye on gawadar's activities and to provide cover for their spies. (kulbhushan episode). Don't confuse yourself bro. We live in a very nasty neighborhood. From Iran, Afghanistan and India all are no friends to Pakistan, will never be.

I understand where you are coming from but i still prefer to be optimistic. Indians are whingers and a jealous breed, they will never be happy to see any progress of any country around their neighbourhood. But we are not like that, so lets take a look at the Chabahar port case, i don't agree its going to hurt us in anyway, shape or form and thats because India plans to trade with Afghanistan with it. Pakistan doesn't allow India to trade with Afghanistan through its land, so we are already not getting anything out of it.

As for Indian spies coming through Chabahar, well to prevent it we need to increase out internal security. Enemies can send spies from anywhere but they will not be able to doing anything if the nation is strong and united.

Finally Chabahar is being built on Iranian Balochistan, the people there are in dire need of economic uplifting, and if the things continue as they are, in the long term it will actually benefit Pakistan.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I understand where you are coming from but i still prefer to be optimistic. Indians are whingers and a jealous breed, they will never be happy to see any progress of any country around their neighbourhood. But we are not like that, so lets take a look at the Chabahar port case, i don't agree its going to hurt us in anyway, shape or form and thats because India plans to trade with Afghanistan with it. Pakistan doesn't allow India to trade with Afghanistan through its land, so we are already not getting anything out of it.

I disagree; though i like your optimism. India in her current economic state which is not more than of any mediocre country is able to achieve much. And on the other hand Pakistan economically doing bad have gotten us all the way here. Let me enlist you some of the recent developments

US humiliating Pakistan on aid over and over again, cancelling the order of f16s because we couldn't pay for it by our-self.
India getting rafael, potential f16 development in india, tech sharing with russia and joint 5th gen program, tech sharing with israel for missile defense. What do you think is happening here? do these countries like the face of modi? or his 56 inch breast (chest). It's simple math, india can afford it. On the other hand we have to take refugee here and there to keep our economy afloat.
India sold the narrative of terror. Take a look at the UN speeches of this year and listen to speeches of Afghanistan and bangladesh. I mean seriously; these low level countries had the audacity to speak against pakistan on behalf of indian randi rona? It boils down to the soft power india has started to enjoy since their economy is doing better.
Let aside everything. Palestine calls her ambassador back because he participated in a rally with hafiz saeed.

The sad part is that Pakistanis are still living in the lala land, thinking every thing is good and we are in control of what's gonna happen. Mark my words, if pakistan wouldn't take care of her economics and interests in the region, we will be in a very bad situation in few years. (na uzu billah).

 

[Imad.Khan]

I disagree; though i like your optimism. India in her current economic state which is not more than of any mediocre country is able to achieve much. And on the other hand Pakistan economically doing bad have gotten us all the way here. Let me enlist you some of the recent developments

US humiliating Pakistan on aid over and over again, cancelling the order of f16s because we couldn't pay for it by our-self.
India getting rafael, potential f16 development in india, tech sharing with russia and joint 5th gen program, tech sharing with israel for missile defense. What do you think is happening here? do these countries like the face of modi? or his 56 inch breast (chest). It's simple math, india can afford it. On the other hand we have to take refugee here and there to keep our economy afloat.
India sold the narrative of terror. Take a look at the UN speeches of this year and listen to speeches of Afghanistan and bangladesh. I mean seriously; these low level countries had the audacity to speak against pakistan on behalf of indian randi rona? It boils down to the soft power india has started to enjoy since their economy is doing better.
Let aside everything. Palestine calls her ambassador back because he participated in a rally with hafiz saeed.

The sad part is that Pakistanis are still living in the lala land, thinking every thing is good and we are in control of what's gonna happen. Mark my words, if pakistan wouldn't take care of her economics and interests in the region, we will be in a very bad situation in few years. (na uzu billah).

I agree with most of what you have said and loved your comment on Modi. I also like the fact that you are eager to have a proper discussion/dialogue unlike some people that start calling names just because they don't like my views.

If its ok with you can we continue this discussion in a new thread coz i don't think this the right place for it.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

other Muslim countries were voting agints us)

Tell me the names of those mother fucker countries,

I want to

 

[ziaulislam]

Tell me the names of those mother fucker countries,

I want to

malaysia
remeber india is memeber too

pakistani need to understand there is no such thing as ummah chumma

 

[Winchester]

I know you guys are patriot

What do you mean "you guys"?

Another illiterate, animal that feeds on Iran's funding and parasite sucking blood of Pakistan quoted my comment. An illiterate animal who hasn't read history even a bit. I'm not an expert on history matters. However, the one who read some history knows the vile, dirty, foul odor, $hity animals. One such example is Winchester, detestable creature

You're a lost cause.

 

[خره مينه لګته وي]

We aren't in the grey list as of now but reports suggest that Saudis didn't vote for Pakistan when voting was done - 2nd time...well, we will have to wait for sometime (i.e days,weeks or possibly months) to know what happened there --_-- or we will find out in June when they meet again !!

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

What do you mean "you guys"?

Ah, leave it

 

[Mav3rick]

Pakistan should go for a better deal with Saudis...We just don't know how to negotiate...Our defensive mindset is root cause of all problems from diplomacy to military...Read Mastan Khan posts...

We could have done much better - if we played yemen fiasco articulately...GCC would have been sponsoring Pakistan's defense budget, who knows. We allowed Modi to jump in GCC...

I have no ill will against Iran. SECURE border with her...Connect her into CPEC BUT don't allow anyone to interfere in your decisions.

It is not that we do not know how to negotiate; it is just that the Saudi's know that they can negotiate with individuals in Pakistan who look after their own personal benefit over Pakistan's benefits. The rest of the world knows this too. That is why our top Military brass and some politicians are reaping all the benefits of the world at the cost of Pakistan.

As for the Yeman war, we still have an opportunity to get military financing from Saudi Arabia, basically we should offer them 250k-500k strong military, freshly raised and trained with some 2k - 5k officers posted in Saudi Arabia on deputation to command the 250k-500k strong Pakistani Military under Saudi command being led by Pakistani Generals.

At the same time we should also improve relations with Iran and perhaps try our clout to repair ties between Saudi and Iran, amongst other Muslim Countries.

 

[Mentee]

If Saudis do as you wish then it would have to cut a sorry face with 250 million Indian Muslims. It would be very easy to do a Ghar Wapasi on them.

Pakistani Muslims have a state at their disposal while Indian Muslims have their darul uloom.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Saudi Arabia is not in FATF , FATF is strictly UK/Euro group with some extended countries like Russia /India/China / Malasia/Turkey


It is really a short cut to by pass United Nation where smaller nations of world have voice

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

s for the Yeman war, we still have an opportunity to get military financing from Saudi Arabia, basically we should offer them 250k-500k strong military, freshly raised and trained with some 2k - 5k officers posted in Saudi Arabia on deputation to command the 250k-500k strong Pakistani Military under Saudi command being led by Pakistani Generals.At the same time we should also improve relations with Iran