R&D neglected in Muslim countries

[gambit]

So, how come apes still exist?

Because humans did not evolved from apes. See why you muslims got behind?

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Apes' descendants going Bananas on this thread

 

[The SC]

The one who is childish here is YOU who totally missed the point. This is about cultural and institutional, not technical, transmissions of knowledge.

YOU are missing your own stupid point of cultural and institutional transfer of knowledge without a technical angle to it.

 

[King Solomon]

No...The true 'big picture' here is that unless there is continuity of transference of knowledge, exploitation of knowledge, and knowledge on how to exploit knowledge, then history is irrelevant. You -- as a modern day muslim -- have no relations to the muslims of the past who were among the pioneers of science. They were pioneers as members of a nationalistic -- not religious -- tribe. Whatever they did it was out of nationalistic -- not religious -- pride.

Since then, the world have changed, most of all the scientific world. Those who surpassed the muslims in this arena did not forget the contributions the earlier muslims made, they simply ignored it out of necessity. They had to ignore it. When they read how the imams strained the Quran to fit modern day scientific discoveries and claimed it was modern day science that conformed to Quranic 'teachings' and that all modern day science somehow 'owe' the muslims the credits, modern day scientists have no choice but to ignore the modern day muslims.

So no, the modern day muslims no longer have any credibility in science. You need infidels' efforts and advices. You lost that best frame a long time ago.

So, basically, you are trying to demoralize the Muslims here by encouraging them to become "infidels" and your suvertive point is that: you cannot progress unless you become infidels, right? Listen, if you have something productive and positive to say, say so otherwise spare us, we do not need your absurd and tauntingly stupid "advice" (or rather rant) here.

 

[The SC]

Because humans did not evolved from apes. See why you muslims got behind?

So how come you believe in the evolution theory? are you ignorant to this point?
Please gambit go gamble with your thoughts and words somewhere else.

 

[King Solomon]

So how come you believe in the evolution theory?

Rather he is indirectly trying to say that because he believes in evolution theory, western civilization is today advanced. What absurdity. He needs to be reminded that his false evolution theory was the base for Marxism and communism which killed tens of millions around the world and caused endless destruction by poverty, famine and waging wars.

 

[Strigon]

For R & D to happen, first of all you need the proper technology and good deal of funds. Then the driving force i.e. people who would be willing to work in your country by giving them more benefits etc.

Its what happened after WW2, U.S. and Russia grabbed the top German scientists and had them working for their R and D. Even today US's top reason for highest R & D is 'H1B' which later on turns into Green card.

Muslim countries would start on R & D when they get rid of criminal politicians filling their banks and pro Taliban ideas are wiped out. Education and prosperity flourishes, people start to realize there are other things than undying hate for Israel, U.S. India.

But then the last battle is how to convince your own bright citizens to stay in your own country when they can go to more developed places and get 5X more pay/ benefits.

Several countries have taken desperate steps to recruit westerners offering them ridiculous pay rates, esp a person with US/ UK/ Canadian passport receiving 5 times pay he receives in his own country.

Its a very sorry state. We are responsible for our leader's incompetence and our neglect in overthrowing their rule.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Since then, the world have changed, most of all the scientific world. Those who surpassed the muslims in this arena did not forget the contributions the earlier muslims made, they simply ignored it out of necessity. They had to ignore it. When they read how the imams strained the Quran to fit modern day scientific discoveries and claimed it was modern day science that conformed to Quranic 'teachings' and that all modern day science somehow 'owe' the muslims the credits, modern day scientists have no choice but to ignore the modern day muslims

That's a BIG and absurd statement. If you don't like the Quran, fine, go on your way, but to say something so stupid as 'imams stained the Quran'... Desperation is all I sense form you.

Compare the Modern day Quran to the historic one from over a thousand years ago...it's exactly the same.

We don't modify the Quran every other year like your Christians do genius. Every other edition of the Bible has got '24th edition' and '57th edition' written on it; everyone other year you find 'ancient scrolls' from the dead sea and add that to your Bible; you don't see that crap happening in on the Quran.

Ever heard of a 'Hafiz', people who memorise the Quran? It's quite hard for a few greedy imams to modify the Quran in the presence of hundreds of thousands of 'Hafiz's'; unless you suppose the whole conspiracy is done by all 1.5b of us.

And you suppose the Muslims have modified the Quran so it appears true (as you admit, it has plenty of facts). Then I must ask you, how come Christians haven't gone the same. Stuff like the 'earth is flat' still exist in the bible; how come a nation of over 2b people still haven't taken those verses out when they modify the bible every other year? How come they haven't been able to completely take all of that unscientific stull out successfully?
Also, as you know, unlike Muslims which are taught to read the Quran since infancy, most Christians haven't even read one chapter out of hundreds form the bible; don't you think it would've been quite easy to do the modifications?

 

[Wright]

So, how come apes still exist?


And yes the Koran is the final word as far as religion is concerned, and science has its limitations due to the human limitations, so Koran is true.

The same thing is said by devout Hindu's, Sikhs, Jews, Christians, mayans, Wiccans; with respect to their religion & texts. You are no different. You cant prove it, nor prove it false.

For R & D to happen, first of all you need the proper technology and good deal of funds. Then the driving force i.e. people who would be willing to work in your country by giving them more benefits etc.

Its what happened after WW2, U.S. and Russia grabbed the top German scientists and had them working for their R and D. Even today US's top reason for highest R & D is 'H1B' which later on turns into Green card.

Muslim countries would start on R & D when they get rid of criminal politicians filling their banks and pro Taliban ideas are wiped out. Education and prosperity flourishes, people start to realize there are other things than undying hate for Israel, U.S. India.

But then the last battle is how to convince your own bright citizens to stay in your own country when they can go to more developed places and get 5X more pay/ benefits.

Several countries have taken desperate steps to recruit westerners offering them ridiculous pay rates, esp a person with US/ UK/ Canadian passport receiving 5 times pay he receives in his own country.

Its a very sorry state. We are responsible for our leader's incompetence and our neglect in overthrowing their rule.

A lot of people blame politicians for the mess, etc. But Have you seen the diffence in the way the Japanese reacted to the recent Tsunami in comparison to the way the Haitians reacted?

Right now Japan has cleaned up the rubble.

Haiti is still full of Debris.

It is the people who make the difference. You can park your bicycle in Japan and the chances of it getting stolen are low.

Try doing the same in Afghanistan, Pakistan, somalia, etc.

 

[gambit]

Rather he is indirectly trying to say that because he believes in evolution theory, western civilization is today advanced. What absurdity. He needs to be reminded that his false evolution theory was the base for Marxism and communism which killed tens of millions around the world and caused endless destruction by poverty, famine and waging wars.

And religions have been innocent of the same scale of bloodbaths?

 

[dott]

if u neglect r&d, u will be hit pretty badly in the future. after all how long u can keep importing the technologies?

 

[gambit]

So how come you believe in the evolution theory? are you ignorant to this point?
Please gambit go gamble with your thoughts and words somewhere else.

Because it made more sense than ALL the religious explanations of how life -- not just humans' -- came to be.

if u neglect r&d, u will be hit pretty badly in the future. after all how long u can keep importing the technologies?

The reason why R/D is 'neglected' is because somewhere along the way, somebody came up with the argument that he has the answers and those answers came from a book that only he and a few elites are smart enough to interpret.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

The reason why R/D is 'neglected' is because somewhere along the way, somebody came up with the argument that he has the answers and those answers came from a book that only he and a few elites are smart enough to interpret

? Seriously do you pull this stuff our of you a$$? You keep confusing foreign concepts to Islamic ones.

 

[gambit]

? Seriously do you pull this stuff our of you a$$? You keep confusing foreign concepts to Islamic ones.

No...I pull it from history.

 

[King Solomon]

And religions have been innocent of the same scale of bloodbaths?

Listen genius, the Quran warns us of people like you.

“Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The guidance of Allah that is the (only) guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee then wouldst thou find neither protector nor helper against Allah.” Qur’an 2:120

The reason why we became backward is because we deviated from the Quran, accepted Hadiths and idolized scholars which I explained in my previous post. Till the first 300 years after the advent of Islam, we held on to the Quran and accepted it as our ONLY guidance. In that period, we destroyed Persian and Roman superpowers using our ragtag military, conquered their territories and wealth. Islam spread accross 3 continents from that small village of Mecca where it started.

Our guidance is already in the Quran. If we start accepting it as our sole guidance, we will again rise to our former status as God promised us himself in the Quran.