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[Farah Sohail]

I missed todays program but i agree with ogic of @Panther 57 i think it could be a pressure tactics ... we need to consider that dr. Dhabardoos is also one of those who is moving left and right and up and down to keep these issues alive ... although he is getting on return as well but pressure created by jim is enormus specially the way he keep on continue reminding all of us that economic terrorism is the main culprit and unless we counter economic terrorism main terrorism will come back ...

So my analsysis of the situation is de. Dhabardos is pressurizing JIT to being proceedings till to date in open and to put them in forward gear and disclose whatever findings we have ... furthermore by.product he gets is ratings and chance to say that mn ny tu phly kaha tha na ...

However i dont think that JIT is going to change its method due to these pressures ... they seems to be much talented and mature people ... i cannot guarantee their conduct and honesty however they will not fall to this trap and will not show their cards till completion of investigation ....

I could have agreed with his pressure tactic...but the way he blatantly accused JIT members of accepting bribes, and hence managed by govt..is extremely immoral.. Those JIT members have had good reputation in their careers and to openly accuse them of acceptong bribes from govt, without any solid proof is disgusting...

And just after the prog..he tweeted..tht i hope JIT will not accept any pressure... Extremely disgusting

Live programs are watched by many..and there are very few ppl on twitter.. Those who watch this prog and trust him..if they belive him, and because of him, think JIT members accepted money...what abt their reputation?

He could have chosen to apply pressure by saying tht JIT members should summon now PM, as soon as possible.or there were 1000 other ways to incrase pressure on JIT....but he shouldnt have said tht this is because they accepted money... Kisi ki izzat mazaaq nahi hoti..esp if they are honest ppl... Buhtaan bandhna bhtt sakht gunah hai.. Now tht he accused them, of accepting money..he should clearly tell..who exactly offered money? Hw much money they took....does he have any proof? Or apologise unconditionally from JIT tomorrow and should never do any program ..again......Can u imagine the impact ..it will have on their family members..if they are honest ppl ( as we have heard uptil now..from everywhere...tht they have excellent reputation ) of being accused of accepting bribe..on television..on such a critical task? @Panther 57

 

[The Accountant]

I could have agreed with his pressure tactic...but the way he blatantly accused JIT members of accepting bribes, and hence managed by govt..is extremely immoral.. Those JIT members have had good reputation in their careers and to openly accuse them of acceptong bribes from govt, without any solid proof is disgusting...

And just after the prog..he tweeted..tht i hope JIT will not accept any pressure... Extremely disgusting

Live programs are watched by many..and there are very few ppl on twitter.. Those who watch this prog and trust him..if they belive him, and because of him, think JIT members accepted money...what abt their reputation?

He could have chosen to apply pressure by saying tht JIT members should summon now PM, as soon as possible.or there were 1000 other ways to incrase pressure on JIT....but he shouldnt have said tht this is because they accepted money... Kisi ki izzat mazaaq nahi hoti..esp if they are honest ppl... Buhtaan bandhna bhtt sakht gunah hai.. Now tht he accused them, of accepting money..he should clearly tell..who exactly offered money? Hw much money they took....does he have any proof? Or apologise unconditionally from JIT tomorrow and should never do any program ..again......Can u imagine the impact ..it will have on their family members..if they are honest ppl ( as we have heard uptil now..from everywhere...tht they have excellent reputation ) of being accused of accepting bribe..on television..on such a critical task? @Panther 57

Madam jee ,,, thora calm down ... I am not defending him

Infact I am defending the JIT and trying to identify the possible reasons of accusing JIT ... as we all know that (even if they are sold) Dr. Dhabardoos do not have any resources to get the info ... and if does then he would have shared definitive information ...

What I think Dr. Sahab kehna yeh chah rahy hogy k JIT abhi tk apny kaam mn fail hogai ha ,,, but jazbaat mn aa ker kuch zyada hi hogay,,, just like typical pakistani ... just like me and you ... He should have understand that he is on national television ...

Our point of view gets more strength by his subsequent tweet in favour of JIT ...

Hamary ly Dr. sb. ka program imp nahi ,,, imp JIT bhi nahi ,,, Imp is Justice and everyone is trying to achieve that ... we are taking out our frustration here on this very forum,,, Dr. Dhabardoos did it live on TV ... he should restrian from it ...

Till conclusion of 60 days atleast I have unconditional support for JIT as only they knows the hard reality ... They knows the hurdles they are facing ... just imagine the death threaths they must have received by now for them and their family members ,,, still they are working and working hard ,,, so I want to assume nothing but they are working with all their honesty ... I will not change my opinion till the time of 60 days expires or something tangible comes to me knowlede against my assumptions ...

 

[Verve]

It deserves to be shared here @The Sandman

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@Verve @Farah Sohail @QatariPrince thank sandman for finding this vidoe of the day, may be week for us.

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[QatariPrince]

I think hum sab ko ab apnay CVs main "Masters in Panamalogy" likh lena chaye ab

 

[Panther 57]

Those JIT members have had good reputation in their careers and to openly accuse them of acceptong bribes from govt, without any solid proof is disgusting...

Without any bearing to current JIT members. My personal observation about bureaucrats is not very encouraging. The most honest of them is also not clean in 99% of the cases. I am saying 99% because I know one such person who is upright, at least that I know of among those who I know personally. My observation is not based on talk shows and hearsay. It is my personal observation.

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[Verve]

Maybe D. Aziz watched Godfather and Da Vinci Code side by side ... money trail to holy grail ...

Without any bearing to current JIT members. My personal observation about bureaucrats is not very encouraging. The most honest of them is also not clean in 99% of the cases. I am saying 99% because I know one such person who is upright, at least that I know of among those who I know personally. My observation is not based on talk shows and hearsay. It is my personal observation.

Agreed. Dr SM is doing the right thing ... JIT investigation should be open to public scrutiny and so should the judiciary. They are all public servants and this case was taken up on 184/3 so secrecy should be out of question.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Madam jee ,,, thora calm down ... I am not defending him

Infact I am defending the JIT and trying to identify the possible reasons of accusing JIT ... as we all know that (even if they are sold) Dr. Dhabardoos do not have any resources to get the info ... and if does then he would have shared definitive information ...

What I think Dr. Sahab kehna yeh chah rahy hogy k JIT abhi tk apny kaam mn fail hogai ha ,,, but jazbaat mn aa ker kuch zyada hi hogay,,, just like typical pakistani ... just like me and you ... He should have understand that he is on national television ...

Our point of view gets more strength by his subsequent tweet in favour of JIT ...

Hamary ly Dr. sb. ka program imp nahi ,,, imp JIT bhi nahi ,,, Imp is Justice and everyone is trying to achieve that ... we are taking out our frustration here on this very forum,,, Dr. Dhabardoos did it live on TV ... he should restrian from it ...

Till conclusion of 60 days atleast I have unconditional support for JIT as only they knows the hard reality ... They knows the hurdles they are facing ... just imagine the death threaths they must have received by now for them and their family members ,,, still they are working and working hard ,,, so I want to assume nothing but they are working with all their honesty ... I will not change my opinion till the time of 60 days expires or something tangible comes to me knowlede against my assumptions ...

Dr sb ek din kuch kehtay hain..next day kuch aur... I wont be surprised if after few days..he again starts praising JIT..totally forgetting tht he accused them of accepting bribes, just few days ago...

And oh wait.. I think i have a problem, in not being able to express myself clearly..

I wasnt frustrated at you...on defending him... I was mad at Dr Dhabardoos...only

Agreed. Dr SM is doing the right thing ... JIT investigation should be open to public scrutiny and so should the judiciary. They are all public servants and this case was taken up on 184/3 so secrecy should be out of question.

Pressure increase karnay main..aur openly accuse to accept bribe...are entirely diff things... Does he have any proof? If they havent accepted any such bribes...what impact can such a rumor ..have on their family members? Dr dhabardoos should have done something else...to increase pressure rather than openly saying they accepted bribe...without any proof...... on live tv

 

[Verve]

Pressure increase karnay main..aur openly accuse to accept bribe...are entirely diff things... Does he have any proof? If they havent accepted any such bribes...what impact can such a rumor ..have on their family members? Dr dhabardoos should have done something else...to increase pressure rather than openly saying they accepted bribe...without any proof...... on live tv

You have your doubts about the Pakora judge right? That's based on his statements, yes?

Dr SM is accusing based on the workings of the JIT. 25+ hours of interviewing Hussain Nawaz is for what purpose exactly?

Secrecy will lead to doubts and suspicion ... and SM is also saying that JIT should do the press releases as committed by the head of JIT. JIT is not doing itself any favours with this unwarranted secrecy. Nawaz has access to what is going on in the JIT (access to servers and recordings), so why can't the Public have access? In Pakistan, when things are done in secret they always favour the powerful.

SM also talked the other day of Eid coming up and all these lot disappearing for Tawaf in KSA. What has JIT done to schedule the interviews and counter those?

 

[Farah Sohail]

You have your doubts about the Pakora judge right? That's based on his statements, yes?

Dr SM is accusing based on the workings of the JIT. 25+ hours of interviewing Hussain Nawaz is for what purpose exactly?

Secrecy will lead to doubts and suspicion ... and SM is also saying that JIT should do the press releases as committed by the head of JIT. JIT is not doing itself any favours with this unwarranted secrecy. Nawaz has access to what is going on in the JIT (access to servers and recordings), so why can't the Public have access? In Pakistan, when things are done in secret they always favour the powerful.

SM also talked the other day of Eid coming up and all these lot disappearing for Tawaf in KSA. What has JIT done to schedule the interviews and counter those?

Regd secrecy..JIT initially said..tht they will do press releases..but its the SC..which said tht JIT proceedings will be in camera...

I agree with most of your points..esp scheduling of interviews... And sharif family going for KSA..and all tht.. I myself have been raising these issurs,,

My only point is tht...he shouldnt have openly said on live tv....tht JIT members have accepted money.. When he is making such a big claim on live tv..either he should have given proofs..who exactly offered money to them? Hw much they have taken? Hw does Dr dhabardoos know abt it? From whom he heard abt this? He said this..with surety..as if he knows for sure..tht they have taken money

Shahid Masood can criticise working of JIT all he wants..regd their strategy and all... But openly accusing them of accepting bribe ..on tv is a big claim..and is buhtan..if he doesnt have any proofs..

 

[Realistic Change]

Regd secrecy..JIT initially said..tht they will do press releases..but its the SC..which said tht JIT proceedings will be in camera...

I agree with most of your points..esp scheduling of interviews... And sharif family going for KSA..and all tht.. I myself have been raising these issurs,,

My only point is tht...he shouldnt have openly said on live tv....tht JIT members have accepted money.. When he is making such a big claim on live tv..either he should have given proofs..who exactly offered money to them? Hw much they have taken? Hw does Dr dhabardoos know abt it? From whom he heard abt this? He said this..with surety..as if he knows for sure..tht they have taken money

Shahid Masood can criticise working of JIT all he wants..regd their strategy and all... But openly accusing them of accepting bribe ..on tv is a big claim..and is buhtan..if he doesnt have any proofs..

Sometimes Dr Masood seems, like he is driving a Hummer in a Desert Safari - has lost track and has put his Hummer in OD - Over Drive mode and following the moon light only, and disregarding the navigation system in his vehicle to get to his destination.

But he is true patriot and his intentions can't be questioned but his words can be debated!

He tweeted after the program to do damage control. But replies to his that tweets have some scathing criticism.

 

[Verve]

Regd secrecy..JIT initially said..tht they will do press releases..but its the SC..which said tht JIT proceedings will be in camera...

I agree with most of your points..esp scheduling of interviews... And sharif family going for KSA..and all tht.. I myself have been raising these issurs,,

My only point is tht...he shouldnt have openly said on live tv....tht JIT members have accepted money.. When he is making such a big claim on live tv..either he should have given proofs..who exactly offered money to them? Hw much they have taken? Hw does Dr dhabardoos know abt it? From whom he heard abt this? He said this..with surety..as if he knows for sure..tht they have taken money

Shahid Masood can criticise working of JIT all he wants..regd their strategy and all... But openly accusing them of accepting bribe ..on tv is a big claim..and is buhtan..if he doesnt have any proofs..

JIT can take him to court for false accusation, law is there for all.

And where should he do it? On social media that 70% of Pakistani population can't read and write English and have little access to anyways or on TV?

 

[Panther 57]

Sometimes Dr Masood seems, like he is driving a Hummer in a Desert Safari - has lost track and has put his Hummer in OD - Over Drive mode and following the moon light only, and disregarding the navigation system in his vehicle to get to his destination.

But he is true patriot and his intentions can't be questioned but his words can be debated!

He wants to keep the hopes and sometimes get desperate. After all he is also human

 

[Farah Sohail]

JIT can take him to court for false accusation, law is there for all.

And where should he do it? On social media that 70% of Pakistani population can't read and write English and have little access to anyways or on TV?

Ohoo.. You are not getting what i am saying... He can criticise all he wants...but its only the money part..tht he said with so much surety....tht i disagree with... Does he have the evidence to back this claim?

I would have gone crazy if someone falsely accused my father of accepting bribe....What IF..these JIt members havent? As their reputation is good... .......How will it impact their family members?

Either give proofs of his claim..tht he made with such confidence or apologise unconditionally ...

Regd JIT can take him to court......loll...yahan ek PM ka case tu decide ho nahi saka....aap keh rahay hain ke defamation main le jayein... Nihal hashmi tak ko yahan relief mil jata hai...he is given much time .......who openly threatened... Aap keh rahay hain ke JIT dr dhabardoos ko court le jaye

Anyways... Lets leave it

 

[Realistic Change]

Proud moment for $harifs: they topped again.

Let's raid BBC offices patwaris!

 

[The Accountant]

Without any bearing to current JIT members. My personal observation about bureaucrats is not very encouraging. The most honest of them is also not clean in 99% of the cases. I am saying 99% because I know one such person who is upright, at least that I know of among those who I know personally. My observation is not based on talk shows and hearsay. It is my personal observation.

Proud moment for $harifs: they topped again.

Let's raid BBC offices patwaris!

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Where is PPP ? Dont tell me NS beats zardari ... or probably this analysis is for federal gov only