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Managed? Matlab he is saying he expects a verdict in fav of gov.?
Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion
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If Dr Dhabrdoos is right, then we should fear the times which are approaching. Total anarchy on the streets. IK has already given indication of coming on street in July.
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Yes...
Dr. Dhabardoos aka Qayamat Masood ke program ki ratings aaj aasman se baatain kar rahi hongi..
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Chlo good ho gya
dactar na kah dea tu ab ult he ho ga, matlab JIT will funtion properly now and there wont be any manipulation
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Do our people have this much time? They will prefer to embracing slow death over moving their behinds a little..
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it is hard to predict, who could have predicted Egypt. It all depends on what is the breaking point.
Hope is the only thing which keeps the life running. Below is the hope from Ayaz Amir
Maybe a chance for a fresh beginning
Ayaz Amir
In his written testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee former FBI Director James Comey says that President Trump said to him---this was in a telephone call---that the perception that the Russians had something on him was “a cloud” which was impairing his ability to act as president.
The JIT (Joint Investigation Team) inquiry in Pakistan, in terms of the allegations being investigated, is much more serious than anything President Trump is facing in the United States. It is about possible money-laundering, mysterious money trails and hiding details of assets held abroad. If President Trump feels that any FBI investigation is affecting his ability to govern, what would the JIT inquiry be doing to Nawaz Sharif’s ability to act as the custodian of the national interest?
Trump’s children are not being investigated for any financial wrongdoing. Nawaz Sharif’s two sons are under investigation for charges stemming from the scandal that has come to be known as Panamagate. Wouldn’t this circumstance be weighing on his mind?
I know from personal experience that if you have to make one court appearance it affects everything---your state of mind, your judgment, your sleep, even your appetite, the way you have your breakfast and dinner. As his sons make repeated appearances before the JIT---and we have a leaked photo to show the scene where the extended questionings are taking place---wouldn’t the prime minister and the rest of his family be worried? Wouldn’t this investigation be on their minds, affecting their sleeping and waking hours?
The PML-N is certainly worried. We can see this from the agitated mood of its various spokesmen. Some have gone so far as to compare the JIT to a butcher’s shop. The Urdu words for this, qasai kee dukan, have a connotation which is not quite there in English. A qasai kee dukan conjures up the image of a place where rough things are done---things being cut not by a scalpel or a pair of scissors but a heavy cleaver. That’s the impression the ruling party is trying to convey about the JIT. It hasn’t succeeded but it has tried its level best to make the JIT controversial---by leveling allegations of bias and prejudice against two of its members and now by likening it to a butcher’s shop.
And Rana Sanaullah, the Punjab law minister, says that the PML-N reserves the right to boycott the JIT’s proceedings. He even says that if there is any agitation against the JIT he would be there in front. These are strong words which give us an indication of the ruling party’s growing anxiety and its state of mind.
But it’s not as if Panamagate was invented by the PM’s enemies. It fell from the skies and there was no Pakistani hand in its preparation. The allegations about the financial dealings of the Sharif family have been swirling around for decades---the London flats, the fake Qazi accounts opened in some Lahore banks and Ishaq Dar’s lengthy statement regarding money-laundering. This information has been in the public domain for a long time. What the Panama Papers did was to put the seal of authenticity---the seal of international credibility---on these long-standing rumours.
Just as Wikileaks was a windfall about intelligence and intelligence-gathering, the Panama Papers were a windfall about international corruption---the dubious financial dealings of rich and powerful players. In this list of the distinguished were the names of Nawaz Sharif’s children: the two sons and the daughter. The family had been claiming innocence but here it all was in black-and-white.
This led to an international uproar and it was only natural that there would be some kind of an uproar in Pakistan too. But in Pakistan scandals come and go and our experience is that the best of them die down after a while and nothing comes of them. The same would have happened with the Panama Papers except for one factor---Imran Khan.
Over the years the PML-N has escaped so much; it has brushed so many things under the carpet. It survived the Asghar Khan case which was about the ISI, no less, handing out money to a list of PML-N politicians, including Nawaz Sharif and Shehbaz Sharif, in the 1990 elections. If the PPP had been involved in this case its goose would have been cooked. The Model Town firing case was about 14 people gunned down in broad daylight and scores injured as a result of police firing. The PML-N has escaped that too.
But Panamagate the Sharifs have not been able to escape and all because of the din and racket created by Imran Khan with some help---we should note their contribution---from the Jamaat-i-Islami’s Sirajul Haq and the leader of his own one-man band, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed. And we should not forget the media. Without the modern Pakistani media---the media gifted to the nation, although we do not like being reminded of this, by a military dictator, Gen Pervez Musharraf---this issue would not have remained alive. It was the media which did things on its own and also amplified the voice of Imran Khan.
To the mortification of the Sharifs when the Supreme Court finally ruled on the petitions arising from Panamagate all sorts of questions were raised about the evasions and truthfulness of the Sharif family.
Anywhere else with such allegations against a sitting prime minister, the prime minister would have thought fit to step down. But I suppose the answer to this is that this is Pakistan and we are made of sterner stuff. Things like public humiliation we take in our stride. On the basis of political persecution you can lay claim to political martyrdom. But it’s hard to puff out your chest when you are accused of money-laundering and financial fraud. That’s the central problem for the Sharifs. There is little to feel proud about in this scandal. Yet they are hoping that through some miracle the clouds will lift and it will be back to business as usual for them.
But Pakistan is putting up with the consequences. Does anyone take Pakistan seriously? President Trump even in the context of the victims of terrorism does not think Pakistan worth a mention. India he mentions but not Pakistan. Our Arab friends don’t take us seriously…we saw this in Riyadh. Nawaz Sharif simply marked his attendance; there was no other role for him there. And where was the ghazi commander-in-chief, Gen Raheel Sharif, who to the no small humiliation of the Pakistani nation has agreed to take service under the Saudi flag as head of a force which exists only in Saudi imagination?
To be sure, Panamagate is not the only thing responsible for Pakistan not being taken seriously. There are other factors at play. But a corruption scandal is no badge of honour. It definitely affects the ability of a leadership to represent the nation.
But maybe, just maybe, there is some good in all this. Maybe the Panama investigation is the bloodletting this nation has always needed. So who knows this entire affair may yet be the chance Pakistan has long awaited to make a fresh start…and leave all the bitter taste of the past behind.
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@bold phir wohi baat..keh rahi hun..ke Ramzan ke last 10 days ...aur eid ki chuttiyon ko nikaal dein.. JIT ke pass ziada time nahi hai.. Atleast PM aur Ishaq Dar ke initial statements le lenay chahyein.....i hope JIT is keeping strict check on time lkne...and PM's schedule
Dr sb ki baat tu rehnay hi dein... Yeh members jinn ki saari zindagi reputation achi rahi...unhein Ramzan ka month hi milay ga...paisy lenay ke liye?
Aur Shahid Masood ki harkat dekhein.. Aaj ke pooray prog main kehtay rahay ke JIT members ko arbon kharbon se manage kar liya gaya hai... Aur ab ye tweet
Jo log in par bharosa kar ke in ka prog sekhtay hain..woh unki baat ko theek samjhein ge...... Inhon ne prog main keh diya ke JIT members bik gaye ..aur ab twitter..jahan bhtt kam log hain..unhein keh rahay hain ke i hope ke JIT pressure nahi ley gi..
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Shahid Masood usually predicts all possibilities; Black & White, East and West, Left & Right, Right & Wrong, Up & Down. So he can say later that he was right whatever happens!
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@PakSword @Panther 57
When panama hearing finished...Dr sb started saying within 1 week...ke judges ne alna faisla likh liya hai., he was saying with as much confidence ke judges apna faisla likh chukay hain.. Kisi bhi waqt aa sakta hai.. Justice Khosa ne inhein kaan main aa kar bataya tha ke faisla likh liya hai!!
Inki so called SC main koi source bhi thee,,,jis ne inhein bataya tha.. Phir verdict ki hint bhi de rahay thay ke waah kiya faisla aanay wala hai
When verdictw as announced..he kept screaming for 3 days ke jo faisla aanay wala tha..woh dhabardoos hogaya hai... Yeh woh faisla nahi hai....jo faisla aana tha.. Main Chief Justice se kehta hoon ke suo moto notice lein.. Yeh verdict reserve honay ke dauran dhabardoos hogaya hai..hint karrahay thay ke shayad judges ne bhi garbar ki hai..
Aaj keh rahay thay..ke judges ne tu apna kaam bhtt acha kiya.. Open hearing ki... Unhon ne kaam zabardast kiya.. JIT ko unhon ne full powers dein... Lekin JIT bik gayi.... Aaj inhein yaad nahi raha ke verdict ke baad kaha tha..inhon ne...ke asal verdict dhabardoos hoagya tha..aur chief justice se suo moto notice lenay ka keh rahay thay.. Aaj keh rahay thay ke judges ne bhtt acha kaam kiya..
When panama hearing finished...Dr sb started saying within 1 week...ke judges ne alna faisla likh liya hai., he was saying with as much confidence ke judges apna faisla likh chukay hain.. Kisi bhi waqt aa sakta hai.. Justice Khosa ne inhein kaan main aa kar bataya tha ke faisla likh liya hai!!
Inki so called SC main koi source bhi thee,,,jis ne inhein bataya tha.. Phir verdict ki hint bhi de rahay thay ke waah kiya faisla aanay wala hai
When verdictw as announced..he kept screaming for 3 days ke jo faisla aanay wala tha..woh dhabardoos hogaya hai... Yeh woh faisla nahi hai....jo faisla aana tha.. Main Chief Justice se kehta hoon ke suo moto notice lein.. Yeh verdict reserve honay ke dauran dhabardoos hogaya hai..hint karrahay thay ke shayad judges ne bhi garbar ki hai..
Aaj keh rahay thay..ke judges ne tu apna kaam bhtt acha kiya.. Open hearing ki... Unhon ne kaam zabardast kiya.. JIT ko unhon ne full powers dein... Lekin JIT bik gayi.... Aaj inhein yaad nahi raha ke verdict ke baad kaha tha..inhon ne...ke asal verdict dhabardoos hoagya tha..aur chief justice se suo moto notice lenay ka keh rahay thay.. Aaj keh rahay thay ke judges ne bhtt acha kaam kiya..
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yehi baat tou JIT ne judges ko bhi mention ki thi shayad.. ke Ramadan aur Eid ke time mushkil horahi hai.. complete karna investigation.. Jis par judges ne kaha ke aik ghanta ziada nahi milega..
Privately shayad inhon ne decide kia hai ke Sundays ko bhi kaam karainge, aur 12-15 hours kaam karaingay.. They are even distributing some work among them as well..
Koshish tou poori kar rahay hain.. hosakta hai kisi wajah se abhi PM ko nahi bula rahay hon.. Jab investigations ho rahi hoti hain tou kafi baatain consider karni parti hain..
Lekin khair aap ki baat main bhi wazan hai.. Abb bulalena chahiey PM aur Ishaq Dar ko.
Aur Dr. Shahid Masood ko shayad apnay program ki rating doosron ki izzat se ziada pyari hai.. Yeh tweet inhon ne program se pehlay kia hai ya baad main?
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Prog ke baad tweet ki hai...
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Not defending Dr Dhabardoos, but there are news that 4:1 changed to 2:3
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4 against Nawaz Sharif?
Ok....even if we assume..this news is true...and Dr Sb's earlier news was right.. So why was he praising judges...today..when he had been screaming to CJ to take suo moto action...on this verdict? Ke dharbardoos hogaya hai.. Aaj woh apni purani baat bilkol bhool gaye thay ke pehlay kiya kaha tha?
He always does this...takes complete u turns.. He had started to say with much confidence within one week...when hearing ended..ke judges ne faisla likh liya hai.. Shayad Justice khosa ne inhien kaan main aa kar bataa diya tha ke verdict likh liya hai...
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I missed todays program but i agree with ogic of @Panther 57 i think it could be a pressure tactics ... we need to consider that dr. Dhabardoos is also one of those who is moving left and right and up and down to keep these issues alive ... although he is getting on return as well but pressure created by jim is enormus specially the way he keep on continue reminding all of us that economic terrorism is the main culprit and unless we counter economic terrorism main terrorism will come back ...yehi baat tou JIT ne judges ko bhi mention ki thi shayad.. ke Ramadan aur Eid ke time mushkil horahi hai.. complete karna investigation.. Jis par judges ne kaha ke aik ghanta ziada nahi milega..
Privately shayad inhon ne decide kia hai ke Sundays ko bhi kaam karainge, aur 12-15 hours kaam karaingay.. They are even distributing some work among them as well..
Koshish tou poori kar rahay hain.. hosakta hai kisi wajah se abhi PM ko nahi bula rahay hon.. Jab investigations ho rahi hoti hain tou kafi baatain consider karni parti hain..
Lekin khair aap ki baat main bhi wazan hai.. Abb bulalena chahiey PM aur Ishaq Dar ko.
Aur Dr. Shahid Masood ko shayad apnay program ki rating doosron ki izzat se ziada pyari hai.. Yeh tweet inhon ne program se pehlay kia hai ya baad main?
So my analsysis of the situation is de. Dhabardos is pressurizing JIT to being proceedings till to date in open and to put them in forward gear and disclose whatever findings we have ... furthermore by.product he gets is ratings and chance to say that mn ny tu phly kaha tha na ...
However i dont think that JIT is going to change its method due to these pressures ... they seems to be much talented and mature people ... i cannot guarantee their conduct and honesty however they will not fall to this trap and will not show their cards till completion of investigation ....
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Yes against nawaz
you see he can only talk, he cannot influence supreme court. Few days back he was too dejected, such mood changes can only happen to those who are either living in a total world of fantasy, which of course he is not. Or those who know something which is to happen (planned not ilm ul ghaib) and does not happen that way. He does get information from somewhere, which he garnishes with his story. You can see that he keeps talking about same thing for two to three episodes before he gives any forecast. Remember he is not the planner he is the promoter. So when planners change their moves he has to blend this change in his story.
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