Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Mansoon]

When is the next hearing coming?

 

[PakSword]

سنا ہے پانامہ کیس کا جنازہ نکلنے والا ہے؟ کیا یہ سچ ہے؟​

@biloo700 @Farah Sohail

 

[Mansoon]

سنا ہے پانامہ کیس کا جنازہ نکلنے والا ہے؟ کیا یہ سچ ہے؟​

@biloo700 @Farah Sohail

اگلی پیشی کب ہے؟

 

[Farah Sohail]

سنا ہے پانامہ کیس کا جنازہ نکلنے والا ہے؟ کیا یہ سچ ہے؟​

@biloo700 @Farah Sohail

Aap ne kia suna hai?

Shahid Masood ki kal ki news ye thee ke govt emergency lagany ka option soch rahi hai, law and order situation ka bahana bana kar.. Kiun ke agar emergency lagti hai tu awaami mafaad k saaray cases muattil hojatay hain..even cases ki hearing ruk jati hai..... Aur panama case bhi awami mafaad ka case hai...

But he also said tht since i have discussed this option pre emptively, on media so now it wont be possible for govt to impose emergency easily ... Today he is also discussing the same topic uptil now....

What have u listened ? Kiun panama ka janaza nikalnay wala hai?

Waisy ab tu jab se pata chala hai ke SC disqualify nahi karey gi, sirf declaration dey gi and after tht its a long process...tab se bhtt interest kam hogaya hai...

But i am still wondering, why isnt PTI taking this comment by Justice Khosa seriously? They are still saying tht Panama verdict will come. bu next werk... They seemed to have not listened this remark of justice khosa at all, and are hoping for disqualification dorectly from SC...

I watched a clip of Farukh Saleem and Ayaz Amir, where they discussed this remark of Justice Khosa.. Even Farrukh Saleem was highly surprised at this remark of justice khosa tht we cant declare any one guilty and can only give declaration.. He said in all the hearings, of panama case, even by earlier bench..we never heard the word declaration ever before..suddenly we heard abt this now...he was as disappointed at this remark as we are

But other than him, no one seemed to have taken this remark of justice khosa seriously, not even PTI

اگلی پیشی کب ہے؟

Tuesday

 

[PakSword]

Aap ne kia suna hai?

Yehi suna hai ke agar situation theek nahi hoti, tou emergency laganey ka soch rahay hain miaan saab. Dua karain ke koi aur waqea na ho.. aik do aur iss tarha ke waqeaat ho gaey, ya Pak Army, Afghanistan ke andar daakhil hogaee tou aik minute nahi lagaeingay miaan saab.

Shahid Masood ki kal ki news ye thee ke govt emergency lagany ka option soch rahi hai, law and order situation ka bahana bana kar.. Kiun ke agar emergency lagti hai tu awaami mafaad k saaray cases muattil hojatay hain..even cases ki hearing ruk jati hai..... Aur panama case bhi awami mafaad ka case hai...

Shahid Masood is right.. Miaan saab ko bachanay ke liey bhaarat aagaya hai maidaan main, lagta aisa hi hai.. Even agar miaan saab ko pata ho ya na ho, bhaarat ne aik reason de dia hai panama shareef ko, nikalnay ka rasta..

But he also said tht since i have discussed this option pre emptively, on media so now it wont be possible for govt to impose emergency easily ... Today he is also discussing the same topic uptil now....

Koi farq nahi parta.. Emergency walay halaat ban gaey thay kal tak.. Even media groups ki bhi bewaqoofi thi aur Geo ki chalaaki ke ye khabar khoob uchali gaee ke Pak Army Afghanistan ke andar daakhil hogaee hai.. jis ka matlab hai ke emergency ka full option dedia.. Khair emergency ka option tou abhi bhi mojud hai, internal soorat e haal ke mutabiq aik aur waqea emergency lagwadega..

But i am still wondering, why isnt PTI taking this comment by Justice Khosa seriously? They are still saying tht Panama verdict will come. bu next werk... They seemed to have not listened this remark of justice khosa at all, and are hoping for disqualification dorectly from SC...

I think disqualification will be automatic.. not a long process.

Also, PTI knew that they were not fighting for disqualification.. Declaration will be enough to impeach miaan saab.

By the way, many people think that disqualification is not punishment. This is very important and I am of the same view.. It's like someone registers for an exam, and doesn't pass it.. he is disqualified from applying for a certain post, it doesn't mean he is being punished... he is just disqualified..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yehi suna hai ke agar situation theek nahi hoti, tou emergency laganey ka soch rahay hain miaan saab. Dua karain ke koi aur waqea na ho.. aik do aur iss tarha ke waqeaat ho gaey, ya Pak Army, Afghanistan ke andar daakhil hogaee tou aik minute nahi lagaeingay miaan saab.

@bold... Nahi... Ye option tu mujhe hota nazar nahi aaraha... Infact aaj tu kuch articles bhi aagye hain...like by Wajahat Saeed khan...abt yesterday's action and he said exactly what we thought yesterday. Even he says...only artillery shelling..by Pakistan..... No PAF..nothing of tht sort, and neither there is any plan to use PAF..so obv army bhi andar nahi jayegi... But Wajahat said tht targets were within 100-200 metries in Afghanistan..which I find hard to believe...

Koi farq nahi parta.. Emergency walay halaat ban gaey thay kal tak.. Even media groups ki bhi bewaqoofi thi aur Geo ki chalaaki ke ye khabar khoob uchali gaee ke Pak Army Afghanistan ke andar daakhil hogaee hai.. jis ka matlab hai ke emergency ka full option dedia.. Khair emergency ka option tou abhi bhi mojud hai, internal soorat e haal ke mutabiq aik aur waqea emergency lagwadega..

Lekin aisy incidents tu (God forbid) 2014 se pehle bhi almost daily hotay thay...tab tu routine thee...from 2009-2013... Tab tu GHQ, PAF, PN bases par bhi attacks huay thay.....It was after zarb e azb tht situation improved... So if emergency was not imposed at tht time...so it will be difficult now for Mian Sb to impose emergency due to law and order...and since it has been discussed already on media...so it will be even more diffocult because everyone will link it to panama...aur PTI tu bilkol chain nahi lenay dey gi Mian Sb ko...even more chaos...but Mian Sb ka waqayi koi hharosa nahi ...he can do anything


I think disqualification will be automatic.. not a long process.

Also, PTI knew that they were not fighting for disqualification.. Declaration will be enough to impeach miaan saab.

No.., u must listen to PTI leaders.... They are very confident of disqualification and they are expecting it next week.... Either they are not aware of reality or its their wishful thinking..but they are confident of disqualification directly by SC..the way they are talking and their words.., fawad ch has many times in the past confidently talked abt PM disqualification..and they also seemed to have totally ignored Justice khosa's remarks.. Infact i am surprised all media ignored..except Farrukh Saleem...


By the way, many people think that disqualification is not punishment. This is very important and I am of the same view.. It's like someone registers for an exam, and doesn't pass it.. he is disqualified from applying for a certain post, it doesn't mean he is being punished... he is just disqualified..

Justice khosa did not say tht we cant give punishment.. His words were..we cant declare anyone guilty... Punishment tu guilty qarar denay ke baad aati hai... He said we can only give declaration (i think whether PM was honest or not) but we cant declare anyone guilty... Punishment tu door ki baat hai

@PakSword

 

[PakSword]

Nahi... Ye option tu mujhe hota nazar nahi aaraha... Infact aaj tu kuch articles bhi aagye hain...like by Wajahat Saeed khan...abt yesterday's action and he said exactly what we thought yesterday. Even he says...only artillery shelling..by Pakistan..... No PAF..nothing of tht sort, and neither there is any plan to use PAF..so obv army bhi andar nahi jayegi... But Wajahat said tht targets were within 100-200 metries in Afghanistan..which I find hard to believe...

And it's absolutely ok for PA not to enter Afghanistan.. even 5 meters shouldn't be an option.. Jab sab kuchh bahir baithay karsaktay hain tou why?

Lekin aisy incidents tu (God forbid) 2014 se pehle bhi almost daily hotay thay...tab tu routine thee...from 2009-2013... Tab tu GHQ, PAF, PN bases par bhi attacks huay thay.....It was after zarb e azb tht situation improved... So if emergency was not imposed at tht time...so it will be difficult now for Mian Sb to impose emergency due to law and order...and since it has been discussed already on media...so it will be even more diffocult because everyone will link it to panama...aur PTI tu bilkol chain nahi lenay dey gi Mian Sb ko...even more chaos...but Mian Sb ka waqayi koi hharosa nahi ...he can do anything

Iss se bhi ziada incident hojatay aur panama nahi hota tou miaan saab kabhi nahi lagatay.. Samajh tou gaee hongi aap..

No.., u must listen to PTI leaders.... They are very confident of disqualification and they are expecting it next week.... Either they are not aware of reality or its their wishful thinking..but they are confident of disqualification directly by SC..the way they are talking and their words.., fawad ch has many times in the past confidently talked abt PM disqualification..and they also seemed to have totally ignored Justice khosa's remarks.. Infact i am surprised all media ignored..except Farrukh Saleem...

I think only someone who has knowledge of law can respond to this.. In my opinion, declaration that PM is dishonest will (1) automatically disqualify NS or (2) will be enough to impeach him... Maybe PTI is thinking about (1). I am not sure what is the result of declaration.

Justice khosa did not say tht we cant give punishment.. His words were..we cant declare anyone guilty... Punishment tu guilty qarar denay ke baad aati hai... He said we can only give declaration (i think whether PM was honest or not) but we cant declare anyone guilty... Punishment tu door ki baat hai

And I agree with Justice Khosa.. These are not criminal proceedings (a trial).. In inquisitorial proceedings, they can only declare.. which they will.... and there is no appeal against this.. So it means once they declare PM is dishonest, EC MUST have to consider any request coming to them for PMs disqualification (if it is not automatic).

Punishment uss waqt hoti hai jab trial hota hai.. It wasn't a trial..

 

[Farah Sohail]

And it's absolutely ok for PA not to enter Afghanistan.. even 5 meters shouldn't be an option.. Jab sab kuchh bahir baithay karsaktay hain tou why?

Yes..even better... Just our targets should hit..no matter jaisy bhi..directly ya indirectly.. By the way... Abhi bhi express news par news aarahi hai..tht some targets were hit today too by Pakistan, citing Afghan sources (?) ....camps of TTP and jamatul Ahrar... But ye camps border ke itnay nazdeek thay kiya? Whats the range of artillery?

I think only someone who has knowledge of law can respond to this.. In my opinion, declaration that PM is dishonest will (1) automatically disqualify NS or (2) will be enough to impeach him... Maybe PTI is thinking about (1). I am not sure what is the result of declaration.

Waisy I am thinking abt one other option... Shahid Masood hinted abt it..tht Nawaz Sharif earlier once thought tht he shd become President, to have immunity..after panama leaks surfaced... Lets assume now tht if Nawaz Sharif gets even disqualified, what if...in the next elections.he use Zardari's formula and becomes President.. In President, you dont even have to declare ur assets and have immunity too... So if he gets disqualified , it will be disqualification from being member of parliament..but he will be able to conetst for President..? And will have immunity too


And I agree with Justice Khosa.. These are not criminal proceedings (a trial).. In inquisitorial proceedings, they can only declare.. which they will.... and there is no appeal against this.. So it means once they declare PM is dishonest, EC MUST have to consider any request coming to them for PMs disqualification (if it is not automatic).

Punishment uss waqt hoti hai jab trial hota hai.. It wasn't a trial.

I am thinking..somehow..can they give declaration abt Maryam too? But i dont think..they will give declaration against Maryam because Pakora judge remarked..tht Maryam is not awami numayenda..tu unke khilaf koi disqualification ki petition nahi hai..something to tht effect...matlab jab woh elected member hain hi nahi..tu disqualify kaisy hongi?

But there shd be something against Maryam too...pata nahi..lif its possible..or not...but she should be out of politics..

@PakSword

 

[Dil Pakistan]

@PakSword @Farah Sohail

Emergency will be another nail in NS coffin. It will be immediately challenged and likely to be overturned by SC. It will upset PPP and lawyers immensely.

Shahid Masood hamesha bongyian marta hey.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword @Farah Sohail

Emergency will be another nail in NS coffin. It will be immediately challenged and likely to be overturned by SC. It will upset PPP and lawyers immensely.

Shahid Masood hamesha bongyian marta hey.

Emergency cant be challenged.. He said tht I talked to many legal ppl abt it...but after 10 days, parliament will have to ratify it... (PPP+PML N in majority) so wont be a proble,..... Musharraf's emergency was declared illegal because he was in uniform and it was seen as Martial law... Theres an article through which PM can declare emergency legally

 

[H!TchHiker]

Panama or Pajama or Dawn leak are dead now..His highness King nawaz bin sharref al money o dolat is safe

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword @Farah Sohail

Emergency will be another nail in NS coffin. It will be immediately challenged and likely to be overturned by SC. It will upset PPP and lawyers immensely.

Shahid Masood hamesha bongyian marta hey.

Emergency ko challenge nahi kia jasakta .. Sirf parliament aur senate ke mushtarka ijlaas main uss ke khillaf vote dia jasakta hai khatam karnay ke liey..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Panama or Pajama or Dawn leak are dead now..His highness King nawaz bin sharref al money o dolat is safe

Kiun heart attack karwaana chah rahay hain aap mera?

Waisy i agree with you.. Aap ki baat theek honay ke bhtt ziada chances hain

 

[H!TchHiker]

Kiun heart attack karwaana chah rahay hain aap mera?

Waisy i agree with you.. Aap ki baat theek honay ke bhtt ziada chances hain

Ap ummed na rakhay to hosla rahey ga.................Kch pata chala Dawn leaks ka when even it was discussed in army meetings to...
Ya panama be truck ki Batti hay like election rigging case.....

 

[Farah Sohail]

Ap ummed na rakhay to hosla rahey ga.................Kch pata chala Dawn leaks ka when even it was discussed in army meetings to...
Ya panama be truck ki Batti hay like election rigging case.....

Waqayi dawn leaks tu ghayb hogayi

Panama bhi ...agar emergency lag gayi tu bilkol ghayb hosakta hai uske ilaawa bhi koi bhi verdict aasakta hai, like election rigging case... you are right ...