Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Farah Sohail]

Unfortunately, this is 184-3 all about..

Tu phir is case ka result tu kuch nahi hua... Ye kiun kaha tha phir?..ke ab hum peechay nahi hatt saktay...haan aagay zuroor jayin ge.. Ye bhi tu Justice Khosa ne kaha tha.... Us waqt memory loss hogaya tha..inko?

 

[PakSword]

Do u remember...jab ek dafa pehle shayad Makhdoom Ali khan ne argue kia tha technicalities par....tu Justice khosa ne kaha tha ke hum jitna aagay chalay gaye hain..ab peechay nahi hateon ge..balke sirf aagay hi jasaktay hain? Is baat se unka us waqt kia matlab tha? Ab agar woh technicalities ki basis par saza nahi de saktay tu ye tu peechay janay wali baat hi hui..jaisy PM aur unke lawyers chah rahay thay

Makhdoom wanted that court shouldn't have heard the case and should've dismissed it. It was the matter of admissibility which Justice Khosa cleared..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Makhdoom wanted that court shouldn't have heard the case and should've dismissed it. It was the matter of admissibility which Justice Khosa cleared..

Tu case ki admissibility ka kia faida jab guilty qarar nahi de saktay..? Ye tu peechay jana hi hua ke sunein ge lekin saza nahi de saktay...

 

[PakSword]

Tu phir is case ka result tu kuch nahi hua... Ye kiun kaha tha phir?..ke ab hum peechay nahi hatt saktay...haan aagay zuroor jayin ge.. Ye bhi tu Justice Khosa ne kaha tha.... Us waqt memory loss hogaya tha..inko?

In fact, court maintained the case, heard it fully and today they asked Raja whether he thinks he wasn't heard properly. They forced him to say that he was satisfied with the proceedings..

Kahan peechay gaey abhi tak? Woh tou maximum ka keh rahay hain.. Asal main tou aaj baat appeal tak pohanch gaee hai. Salman Akram ka kehna tha ke aap dekh ke faisla kijieyga kyunke 184-3 main appeal bhi nahi hoti. Tou judges ne kaha ke isi liey itna time lagaya ke ziadti na ho..

So actually Salman Akram Raja has already anticipated that the declaration is coming against his client, that's why he is now discussing about appeal and stuff.

Tu case ki admissibility ka kia faida jab guilty qarar nahi de saktay..? Ye tu peechay jana hi hua ke sunein ge lekin saza nahi de saktay...

Yehi tou keh raha hun,, ke unfortunately, 184-3 yahin par ruk jata hai.. Agar courts ne qanoon haath main lia tou phir yeh doosri badmaashi par utar aaiengay..

And declaration is the maximum under this article.. It was not a trial court.. Agar trial court hoti tou NS bach nikalnay main kaamyaab hojata kyunke uss main burden of proof PTI pe kafi ziada hota.. phir inn ko jail jana parta..

Ddeclaration ke baad disqualification hogi, phir investigation, phir saza..

But I am happy on declaration and disqualification.. Don't want more. It will be too much for my health.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Farah Sohail]

In fact, court maintained the case, heard it fully and today they asked Raja whether he thinks he wasn't heard properly. They forced him to say that he was satisfied with the proceedings..

Kahan peechay gaey abhi tak? Woh tou maximum ka keh rahay hain.. Asal main tou aaj baat appeal tak pohanch gaee hai. Salman Akram ka kehna tha ke aap dekh ke faisla kijieyga kyunke 184-3 main appeal bhi nahi hoti. Tou judges ne kaha ke isi liey itna time lagaya ke ziadti na ho..

So actually Salman Akram Raja has already anticipated that the declaration is coming against his client, that's why he is now discussing about appeal and stuff.



Yehi tou keh raha hun,, ke unfortunately, 184-3 yahin par ruk jata hai.. Agar courts ne qanoon haath main lia tou phir yeh doosri badmaashi par utar aaiengay..

And declaration is the maximum under this article.. It was not a trial court.. Agar trial court hoti tou NS bach nikalnay main kaamyaab hojata kyunke uss main burden of proof PTI pe kafi ziada hota.. phir inn ko jail jana parta..

Ddeclaration ke baad disqualification hogi, phir investigation, phir saza..

But I am happy on declaration and disqualification.. Don't want more. It will be too much for my health.

Jab kuch karna nahi hota tu technicalities ka sahara le lete hain... I am sure, if judges actually want to punish culprits of corruption, they can too bring 1000s of legal technicalities in their favor too... Koi na koi clue zuroor hoga..jis main is case main bhi culprits ko punish karsaktay honge.. Kahin na koi aisa precedent dunya main zuroor hoga...aur agar nahi hai..tu aap hi precdent bana dein... Lekin will hi tu nahi hai... I was wrong abt Justice khosa jin se main ne itni umeedein bandh li theen..i thought he will bring / find any legal clause to somehow punish the corrupts and make precedent but he is taking refuge in technicalities too... Now i think Justice Ijaz Afzal was much better... Atleast he was much better in the sense..tht we knew from day 1 abt his tilt... But Justice Khosa got our hopes very high and then in the end..he is taking refuge in technicalities... Atleast if Justice Khosa knew, tht he couldnt declare them guilty, atleast he should have given all, such hints earlier too.. Ye nahi ke jab case khatam horaha hai, tab aap achanak kahein ke hum tu kisi ko guilty qarar nahi de saktay after raising hopes

 

[PakSword]

Jab kuch karna nahi hota tu technicalities ka sahara le lete hain... I am sure, if judges actually want to punish culprits of corruption, they can too bring 1000s of legal technicalities in their favor too... Koi na koi clue zuroor hoga..jis main is case main bhi culprits ko ounish karsaktay honge.. Kahin na koi aisa precedent dunya main zuroor hoga...aur agar nahi hai..tu aap hi precdent bana dein... Lekin will hi tu nahi hai... I was wrong abt Justice khosa jin se main ne itni umeedein bandh li theen..i thought he will bring / find any legal clause to somehow punish the corrupts and make precedent but he is taking refuge in technicalities too... Now i think Justice Ijaz Afzal was much better... Atleast he was much better in the sense..tht we knew from day 1 abt his tilt... But Justice Khosa got our hopes very high and then in the end..he is taking refuge in technicalities... Atleast if Justice Khosa knew, tht he couldnt declare them guilty, atleast he should have given all, such hints earlier too.. Ye nahi ke jab case khatam horaha hai, tab aap achanak kahein ke hum tu kisi ko guilty qarar nahi de saktay after raising hopes

Farah, please understand, this case was all about declaration from day one....

OK I ask you, have petitioners requested for any punishment? No.. Because it was not a trial...

And no, there is no technicality that can put Nawaz behind the bar.. You know, it will be a ahsan azeem on us if Judges say that NS AND Maryam are dishonest people..

Rest khud rasta banta jaega..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Farah, please understand, this case was all about declaration from day one....

OK I ask you, have petitioners requested for any punishment? No.. Because it was not a trial...

And no, there is no technicality that can put Nawaz behind the bar.. You know, it will be a ahsan azeem on us if Judges say that NS AND Maryam are dishonest people..

Rest khud rasta banta jaega..

@bold.....Yes... PTI has asked for disqualification of Prime minister in this case, in their petition... Even Sheikh Rashid has asked for PM disqualification on basis of article 62/63

 

[PakSword]

@bold.....Yes... PTI has asked for disqualification of Prime minister in this case, in their petition... Even Sheikh Rashid has asked for PM disqualification on basis of article 62/63

Haan but, they have not fought for the disqualification to be very honest.. Anyway, petitioner tou sab kuch mangay ga but they knew, and all the PTI's lawyers knew as well, from the very beginning, that it is not about disqualification, but disqualification will come as a result of this case..

Had it been a trial, PTI would have already lost the case... Because of insufficient evidences..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Haan but, they have not fought for the disqualification to be very honest.. Anyway, petitioner tou sab kuch mangay ga but they knew, and all the PTI's lawyers knew as well, from the very beginning, that it is not about disqualification, but disqualification will come as a result of this case..

Had it been a trial, PTI would have already lost the case... Because of insufficient evidences..

no... It seems PTI was very sure of PM disqualification in this case, on basis of article 62/63.. Fawad Ch even went to the extent tht PM will get disqualified and then inquiry will start, as a result of which PM's children will go to jail later... Even if it was just wishful thinking, ...but I think PTi atleast was very sure of PM disqualification in this case.... Even Naeem Bukhari, in his arguments, talked abt PM disqualification on basis of article 62/63

I have a question... Why didnt Justice khosa gve a hint earlier tht they cant declare anyone guilty? He should have given such hint earlier too, rather than now, when the case is about to end..so tht we had an idea, of what is coming... But he gave no such hint..if anyone argued on technicalities, like article 66, he said it doesnt apply to corruption..so we were sure tht he wont go dor technicalities... And now this?

 

[PakSword]

no... It seems PTI was very sure of PM disqualification in this case, on basis of article 62/63.. Fawad Ch even went to the extent tht PM will get disqualified and then inquiry will start, as a result of which PM's children will go to jail later... Even if it was just wishful thinking, ...but I think PTi atleast was very sure of PM disqualification in this case.... Even Naeem Bukhari, in his arguments, talked abt PM disqualification on basis of article 62/63

Agar langray qanoon ke hotay huay aisa kia tha tou buhat hi bewaqoofi ki thi.. There is no way PM can be disqualified under the current laws by SC directly.

I have a question... Why didnt Justice khosa gve a hint earlier tht they cant declare anyone guilty? He should have given such hint earlier too, rather than now, when the case is about to end..so tht we had an idea, of what is coming... But he gave no such hint..if anyone argued on technicalities, like article 66, he said it doesnt apply to corruption..so we were sure tht he wont go dor technicalities... And now this?

Article 66 tou privileges ki baat karta hai. They were asking for privilege under this article. Aur yeh bhi aik ehsaan tha justice khosa ka ke unhon ne yeh remark diey..

But I am with you on your comment that he should have cleared where he thought the case was moving..

 

[Baghial]

Agar langray qanoon ke hotay huay aisa kia tha tou buhat hi bewaqoofi ki thi.. There is no way PM can be disqualified under the current laws by SC directly.



Article 66 tou privileges ki baat karta hai. They were asking for privilege under this article. Aur yeh bhi aik ehsaan tha justice khosa ka ke unhon ne yeh remark diey..

But I am with you on your comment that he should have cleared where he thought the case was moving..

A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth

Joseph Goebbels

A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth

Joseph Goebbels

When honor and the Law no longer stand on the same side of the line, how do we choose??????

A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth

Joseph Goebbels


When honor and the Law no longer stand on the same side of the line, how do we choose??????

Justice Is Blind" Was A Visual Joke At The Justice System's Expense
How People Use It:

Justice is impartial and does not play favorites.


What It Originally Meant: was

Justice is corrupt and ineffective to the point of blindness.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Farah, please understand, this case was all about declaration from day one....

OK I ask you, have petitioners requested for any punishment? No.. Because it was not a trial...

And no, there is no technicality that can put Nawaz behind the bar.. You know, it will be a ahsan azeem on us if Judges say that NS AND Maryam are dishonest people..

Rest khud rasta banta jaega..

@bold.....Yes... PTI has asked for disqualification of Prime minister in this case, in their petition... Even Sheikh Rashid has asked for PM disqualification on basis of article 62/63

Actually! "disqualification" is NOT a punishment - it is what we think it as.

Disqualification means that Mr Tom is not entitled enough to hold the position that he is occupying. He should be removed.

Punishment is: Jail, Death, Beating etc. etc. etc.

In this case, under article 184.3, disqualification is possible but punishment is not.

Punishments will follow later, separately.

 

[biloo700]

@biloo700 andar ka banda hai.. abhi shayad PTI ke kisi ijlaas main shareek hai..

lolz..

biloo bhai, kuch bataeinge hamain kia horaha hai?

@Farah Sohail
Panama Case me mian panama sharif phuss chuke hain .. likan un ki help k lye different forces active hu gyein hain ..
bilkul waise he jaise Dharne k time pe hoa tha APS me ! Just look at this indian !

 

[Arsalan]

Unfortunately, this is 184-3 all about..

Tu phir is case ka result tu kuch nahi hua... Ye kiun kaha tha phir?..ke ab hum peechay nahi hatt saktay...haan aagay zuroor jayin ge.. Ye bhi tu Justice Khosa ne kaha tha.... Us waqt memory loss hogaya tha..inko?

Well the question is,, is there anyone who can actually give a verdict and charge the guilty party?
Ya bs hm yeh ni kr sakty and Woh woh ni kr sakta wala scean he rahy ga.

Ddeclaration ke baad disqualification hogi, phir investigation, phir saza..

But I am happy on declaration and disqualification.. Don't want more. It will be too much for my health.

Prob is, declaration ka baad disqualification EC na krni ha!! Baki ap kud samjdar han! Further investigation and punishment tu buthhhhhhhhhh baad ke baatain han bahi!