PALESTINE & KASHMIR

[Von Hölle]

dear sir, if India was not divided, today there could be half billion Muslim in india alone

So Whats wrong in that? Had India remained united, Muslim population in India would have been 35% as opposed to current 13%.

 

[corporate_slave]

You who led me to talk about the Muslims of India

And I explained how the Indian Muslims are relevant to this thread in a previous post. Did you miss that intentionally, or is the advice you gave me (eating carrots) something you need to follow yourself?

 

[Nishan]

India and Israel not only exchange crucial intelligence information on Islamist . . groups but Israel is also helping India to fight . . in Kashmir by providing important logistical support such as specialized surveillance equipment, cooperation in intelligence gathering, joint exercises, and cooperation to stop money laundering and . . funding. The level of intelligence cooperation between India and Israel may be even more extensive than between India and the United States. The tactics used by the Israeli Defense Forces in the guerilla and urban warfare it wages against Palestinian . . in the West Bank and Gaza Strip can be fruitfully adopted by the Indian security forces in countering insurgency. These tactics have even been found useful by the U.S. forces in Iraq who had to learn IDF strategy of urban warfare to tackle growing insurgency there

 

[Nishan]

And I explained how the Indian Muslims are relevant to this thread in a previous post. Did you miss that intentionally, or is the advice you gave me (eating carrots) something you need to follow yourself?

do you want the trouth . . i like carrots . . India and Muslims had always historical ties dating back thousands of years, It is puzzling and sad that the politicians of India stands with injustice Practiced by the Israelis against the Muslim people

 

[corporate_slave]

India and Israel not only exchange crucial intelligence information on Islamist . . groups but Israel is also helping India to fight . . in Kashmir by providing important logistical support such as specialized surveillance equipment, cooperation in intelligence gathering, joint exercises, and cooperation to stop money laundering and . . funding. The level of intelligence cooperation between India and Israel may be even more extensive than between India and the United States. The tactics used by the Israeli Defense Forces in the guerilla and urban warfare it wages against Palestinian . . in the West Bank and Gaza Strip can be fruitfully adopted by the Indian security forces in countering insurgency. These tactics have even been found useful by the U.S. forces in Iraq who had to learn IDF strategy of urban warfare to tackle growing insurgency there

do you want the trouth . . i like carrots . . India and Muslims had always historical ties dating back thousands of years, It is puzzling and sad that the politicians of India stands with injustice Practiced by the Israelis against the Muslim people

Sure, and India is using the training and equipment in all sections, not just Kashmir. And nothing wrong with exchanging intelligence on terrorists, don't you think? All nations should do that, no?

And by the by, Pakistan is getting closer and closer to Israel daily, isn't it? At the bottom of this page you will see a link to 'similar threads', check it out. So, why is only India evil for collaboration with Israel? India had not even recognized the existance of Israel till the 1990s, and always supported the Palestine cause in the UN and everywhere else (check it out, I am sure you were not aware of this). But did the Arab lobby ever support India on the Kashmir issue against Pakistan? NO!

India is acting pragmatically, for its own benefit. Taking technology/training where we need it (and not just in kashmir). And btw, in the 2009 violence, India did issue a condemnation of Israel. But seriously, all this diplomatic claptrap of condemnation etc. is hogwash. Each nation takes the technology and benefits it needs from whatever quarter. Nothing unique about India taking tech from Israel. That does not mean that "politicians of India stands with injustice Practiced by the Israelis", as you put it!

 

[Von Hölle]

India and Israel not only exchange crucial intelligence information on Islamist . . groups but Israel is also helping India to fight . . in Kashmir by providing important logistical support such as specialized surveillance equipment, cooperation in intelligence gathering, joint exercises, and cooperation to stop money laundering and . . funding. The level of intelligence cooperation between India and Israel may be even more extensive than between India and the United States. The tactics used by the Israeli Defense Forces in the guerilla and urban warfare it wages against Palestinian . . in the West Bank and Gaza Strip can be fruitfully adopted by the Indian security forces in countering insurgency. These tactics have even been found useful by the U.S. forces in Iraq who had to learn IDF strategy of urban warfare to tackle growing insurgency there

So whats wrong in it ... India supports Palestinian cause but she has to watch out for her interests first .

Without going into morals...Israel has successfully survived in a hostile environment and there is nothing wrong learning from others experience and As far I remember Jordan is one of the friendliest neighbors of Israel??!!

 

[Nishan]

Sure, and India is using the training and equipment in all sections, not just Kashmir. And nothing wrong with exchanging intelligence on terrorists, don't you think? All nations should do that, no?

And by the by, Pakistan is getting closer and closer to Israel daily, isn't it? At the bottom of this page you will see a link to 'similar threads', check it out. So, why is only India evil for collaboration with Israel? India had not even recognized the existance of Israel till the 1990s, and always supported the Palestine cause in the UN and everywhere else (check it out, I am sure you were not aware of this). But did the Arab lobby ever support India on the Kashmir issue against Pakistan? NO!

India is acting pragmatically, for its own benefit. Taking technology/training where we need it (and not just in kashmir). And btw, in the 2009 violence, India did issue a condemnation of Israel. But seriously, all this diplomatic claptrap of condemnation etc. is hogwash. Each nation takes the technology and benefits it needs from whatever quarter. Nothing unique about India taking tech from Israel. That does not mean that "politicians of India stands with injustice Practiced by the Israelis", as you put it!

So whats wrong in it ... India supports Palestinian cause but she has to watch out for her interests first .

Without going into morals...Israel has successfully survived in a hostile environment and there is nothing wrong learning from others experience and As far I remember Jordan is one of the friendliest neighbors of Israel??!!

What does not understand by indians, that Military assistance provided by Israel to India is Not because the israelis are keen to develop relations with India, But because the main objective is to weaken Pakistan and weaken the Muslims in general, Because Israel considers Pakistan as major enemy Because it possesses nuclear weapons, and Israel will be very happy if it were a nuclear war between India and Pakistan, it Will not be interested in the lives of Indians, as long as it will get rid of Pakistan

 

[prototype]

India and Israel not only exchange crucial intelligence information on Islamist . . groups but Israel is also helping India to fight . . in Kashmir by providing important logistical support such as specialized surveillance equipment, cooperation in intelligence gathering, joint exercises, and cooperation to stop money laundering and . . funding. The level of intelligence cooperation between India and Israel may be even more extensive than between India and the United States. The tactics used by the Israeli Defense Forces in the guerilla and urban warfare it wages against Palestinian . . in the West Bank and Gaza Strip can be fruitfully adopted by the Indian security forces in countering insurgency. These tactics have even been found useful by the U.S. forces in Iraq who had to learn IDF strategy of urban warfare to tackle growing insurgency there

India asking for suport of Israel or whatever nation is non of ur business,that is our security matter and we will keep doing purchasing arms and logistic support,u guys had alraedy made a habbit to comment on our internal matters,now u had also started to decide on our military matter's

for the bolded part,u want to say that Guerrilla warfare is currently happening in Kashmir

 

[corporate_slave]

What does not understand by indians, that Military assistance provided by Israel to India is Not because the israelis are keen to develop relations with India, But because the main objective is to weaken Pakistan and weaken the Muslims in general, Because Israel considers Pakistan as major enemy Because it possesses nuclear weapons, and Israel will be very happy if it were a nuclear war between India and Pakistan, it Will not be interested in the lives of Indians, as long as it will get rid of Pakistan

Actually, even India wants to weaken Pakistan (but not weaken Muslims in general). Let's be honest here, obviously we want to, just like Pakistan wants to weaken India

And we are just taking tech from them for our benefit. Don't read too much into it.

 

[Von Hölle]

What does not understand by indians, that Military assistance provided by Israel to India is Not because the israelis are keen to develop relations with India, But because the main objective is to weaken Pakistan and weaken the Muslims in general, Because Israel considers Pakistan as major enemy Because it possesses nuclear weapons, and Israel will be very happy if it were a nuclear war between India and Pakistan, it Will not be interested in the lives of Indians, as long as it will get rid of Pakistan

India does not need Israeli help to deal with Pakistan ..We had no diplomatic relations with Israel till 1992..and we had already fought 3 wars with Pakistan..however with Israeli help India can access western technology without being arm twisted by US.

As far military assistance from Israel is concerned..it alright for Jordan to ratout Arab war plans(1973 war) to Israel(in exchange for Israeli mercy) but unbearable if India develops friendly relations with Israel..what hypocrisy??!!

 

[corporate_slave]

I reproduce this quote, courtesy or Karthic Sri:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/73271-why-isn-t-india-pariah-state.html#post1146861

First:

Palestine - UN recognised right to indpendence,Kashmir - Un doesnt recognise independence

Palestine - Did any ruler formally accede to Israel - NO ; Kashmir - the Maharaja formally signed the instrument of accession to make it a part of India.

Palestine - are the Palestinians chased out from Palestine- yes ; Kashmir - are the Kashmiris chased outfrom Kashmir - no (if the Hindus/Sikhs/Jains qualify as "Kashmiris" then maybe Yes)

Palestine - is their territory being occupied by settlers - yes : Kashmir - is territory being occupied by Hindu settlers from rest of India - NO

Palestine - do Tanks ,bulldozers regularly demolish homes,buildings - YES ; Kashmir - Have Tanks even come once inside SriNagar - NO

Palestine - Do attack Helicopters regularly fire missiles at anything moving - YES ; Kashmir - Does that thing happen here - NO

Palestine - IS any HAMAS leader safe from MOSSAD - NO ; Kashmir - IS any hair on the head of a separatist leader harmed - NO .Infact they are given treatment at the taxpayers expense in Delhi and Mumbai


Palestine - Do the Israeli police calmly bear all the stones thrown on them - NO ; Kashmir - Poor CRPF not even allowed to fire and given only a lathi in hand.

Palestine - IS there a shortage of basic materials - YES ; Kashmir - one of the least poor states in India with annual assitance going into thousands of crores.

Palestine - IS there any blockade of essential supplies in place - YES ; Kashmir - NO[/B]

This is the reason Indians get very very pissed off and abusive when Kashmir and Palestine are bracketed into one category.

 

[Nishan]

India asking for suport of Israel or whatever nation is non of ur business,that is our security matter and we will keep doing purchasing arms and logistic support,u guys had alraedy made a habbit to comment on our internal matters,now u had also started to decide on our military matter's

for the bolded part,u want to say that Guerrilla warfare is currently happening in Kashmir

Every Muslim cares about his brother Muslim, Whether you like this or you do not like

 

[corporate_slave]

Every Muslim cares about his brother Muslim, Whether you like this or you do not like

I stopped watching that propaganda video the moment I saw in the first 2 minutes of the video, the subtext: "Kashmiri drivers hurt by petrol and acid bombs".

Please use some logic here, do we equip our forces with acid bombs?

On the same lines, in the 1990s, it is worthwhile to think of how much of the deaths were caused by militants and how much by the security forces.

 

[Von Hölle]

Every Muslim cares about his brother Muslim, Whether you like this or you do not like

Does your heart beat for atrocities on Muslims in occupied territories(which you consider) or also atrocities on Muslims in sovereign territories ??..because there are plenty of videos for that too...If you want I can post?

If yes ..how many threads have you opened for them?

 

[Nishan]

Does your heart beat for atrocities on Muslims in occupied territories(which you consider) or also atrocities on Muslims in sovereign territories ??..because there are plenty of videos for that too...If you want I can post?

If yes ..how many threads have you opened for them?

alot of threads in many many forums . . just go and ask about nishan in other forums and they will tell you