Pakistan's Onslaught Against India at UNGA - What's Next?

[El Sidd]

So you think Pakistan should initiate?

i believe there are other Players involved as both Pakistan and India have delayed the matter too much.

Once again 'others' will come solve the regions Problems.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The bar has been set so low by previous Pakistani leaders like Nawaz Sharif etc that Pakistanis are willing to celebrate anything coming from PM Khan. Even if it is a disgustingly pathetic UNGA speech where he defends and justifies Islamic terrorism and lectures the West.

Imran Khan’s speech UNGA2019 was more for the audience back home, and less for the rest of the world, and it seems that he can claim a victory on that front.

The celebrations in Pakistan around PM Khan's UNGA speech remind me of the celebrations around his last US visit. But after two weeks of that Kashmir was annexed by India and all the useful idiots in Pakistan realized that maybe they have celebrated prematurely.


When IK pointed out that due to the ‘1.2 B market’ the world doesnt take firm action against India, while Pakistan did the same by voting AGAINST human rights violation in Yemen, & abstaining their stand on Syria, as they didnt want to upset Saudi Arabia ( another market .



Govt of Pakistan
@pid_gov

In western society, holocaust is treated with sensitivity because it gives pain to Jewish community. That’s all we ask, don’t use freedom of speech to cause us pain by insulting our Holy Prophet (PBUH). That’s all we want. - PM Imran Khan..

BTW, holocaust is a historical fact and Jews weren't killed because they were involved in terrorism. They were killed because of antisemitism.




are you writing while dreaming from your abyss.........wake up.....

UNGA----------193 countries ...

5 super powers

the rest 188 are migits country leaders .. bascially slaves.. behsharams /behgharaats ...


you must be indian spokesperson then??

shall we start celebrations now.......that india will not take ladkh and ajk.......from pakistan..

or modi have vacated JK. after imrans history lesson to half occupied/the rest asleep UNGA..

Prick. Hindu pogroms against Muslims began long before Aug 5th. During partition, pre partition, there was no beginning and there will be no end to their anti-Muslim inferiority complex-driven attack against any strong independent Muslim community who refuses to do communal Pooja and accept Hindutva bullcrap that the whole of India is a Hindu nation. Mughals and Brits built India from naked tree dwelling elephant rider communities. And presently, Sikhs defend India.

This is what Imran Khan and many before him have pointed out.

Hitler's blame game gave him a convenient target for his homogenization efforts in the Jews. RSS pricks are no different.

To suggest Muslims or Kashmiris or Pakistanis deserve pogroms because of terrorism is laughable and precisely what IK convinced the world of today. India will attack Pakistan, Muslims and all Kashmiris because of an attack against Indian paramilitaries. What pusssssis, occupying Kashmir yet they call it "terrorism" when resistance attacks armed trained soldiers. Don't make me laugh. Plenty of Jews were in the French resistance and they would do exactly what happened at pulwama.

There are no hard and fast rules or right and wrong. Only interests.

 

[Shane]

@Shane @PakSword brothers, sorry for no input today... however, if I may say... you both and some quality posters here are missing a few things... which Paks always do...

Please, look at The Map... all of it together... Eurasia!

Also Ask one fundamental question: Would any state like to see another become its equal in power so that its own value gets reduced by half?

Case in point> Pak vs GanguDaesh... for 73 years we have been schakelts round their necks...

Now look at the Map again... meditate... why has PRC 200k Troops in Tibet with all the gear?

P.S. a kind reminder if IoJK PakKashmiris didn't have the will to fight ...would they have seen so many of their own become blind by shotgun sluggs? Would GanguDaesh need to send 900K GanguTerrorists there and keep the Curfew for so long?

We must always remain loyal to the Idea of Pakistan... Quaid e Azam liberated half of Kashmir... rest you know what I mean.

WinterWar @Signalian ?

Kashmir will be solved when China wants it to be solved... we must learn to SEE!

The Greatest Game is in Town... and Pakistan is The Heartland.

I'm sure that you know already that I am half way there, convinced that Pakistan needs to engage China and make it trust us so that it feels completely reassured and worth it to indulge and back what we want it to do.

Interesting angle indeed. I never looked at Kashmir Issue as something China would let linger by choice. Takes the whole game to another whole new geo strategic level. But lets discuss other aspects for now, lol.

Why are we a bit apprehensive about the Kashmiris picking up arms? (i.e. en-mass)
There is a 70 year history behind the varying percentage of doubt that we have despite the current demonstrations and stand offs between Kashmiri youth and occupation forces getting more and more violent as the stake have gone up higher like never before too but Armed resistance en-mass is still an unproven factor.

Such a struggle requires people leaving everything behind or be forced to do so and migrate across the border to safety for their family, those who stay behind or leave, return pick up arms and fight for their home land.

The Kashmiris of IOK had to date, largely resisted Indian Occupation in more of a political struggle than a wide spread or dedicated armed resistance by any considerable number at any time but in small and contained pockets.

The shotgun slug victims have been stone pelters and people demonstrating against murders, rapes and other atrocities. India has been crushing such demonstrations without loosing too much sleep or worry for 70 years.

Looking at what India perceives as the real threat; The 900K soldiers are indeed there as India fears those who pick up arms instead of just stones. As I said, such a large scale armed resistance is still an untested factor to date but much feared and anticipated by India indeed. The key test of the Kashmiri youth will come to fore in the shape of what happens after the curfew is lifted. That is exactly where the fears lie.

Coming back to the Chinese factor, I should probably leave it for now and contemplate more about it based on your Cue, I am still not entirely convinced but looking at our own checkered - not entirely trust worthy - history, I should probably know better. I am still hinting that I am there but not quite there at the same time, lol. Lets just agree to say that a weary China may be one of the contributing factor for the lingering Kashmir issue for now.

 

[Crusher]

Don't want to go into detailed discussion on Afghan Taliban..

I just want to know your opinion on.. do you think Kashmiris will start a fierce resistance movement after curfew is lifted? If yes, we should all be happy.. if not, there's nothing much we can do.. this is my opinion.. what's yours?

Again the same thing, did "Afghanis" start a mass war against US/NATO after the fall of "Afghan Taliban" in 2001, off course not. Same is the case with Kashmiris, yes the militant groups in Kashmir will do their work after the curfew just as they have been doing it for more than two decades now. "Kashmiris" is not a "militant organization" the way you put the question. Also the Kashmiri society or Kashmiris in general don't owe anything to you to "perform" for you after the curfew is removed, they will do what they want to do as a society.

Don't want to go into detailed discussion on Afghan Taliban..

I just want to know your opinion on.. ............ If yes, we should all be happy.. if not, there's nothing much we can do.. this is my opinion.. what's yours?

You never did anything for them even before, as I told you before the only people who fought alongside Kashmiri militants from Pakistan were "fighters" mostly from Gujranwala, Murdikey and Faisalabad, no one else other than many "fighers" from these areas have given their "blood" for the Kashmiris and Kashmiri struggle in 90s and early 2000s before Musharraf the Gangu delhiite put a solid obstacle for those fighters to appease his erstwhile Gangu homeland of Delhi.

 

[IceCold]

First it was after UNGA in September now after FATF in October, then winter will come and passes will be blocked so we can expect action only in March

Why do you think Pakistan would fight on Indian terms? Nobody said anything about Pakistan going all gun blazing after UNGA and nobody is suggesting again that we will go in gun blazing after FAFT. My point was simple we will do what serves Pakistan's interests and that of Kashmir and on our terms. Its a long drawn battle and what you saw at the UN was only just beginning of the fight on the diplomatic front which many Indians were never accustomed too and which has rattled New Delhi's feathers.

 

[PakSword]

Again the same BS

Watch your tongue.. If you can't indulge in civil conversation, don't quote me.

You never did anything for them even before, as I told you before the only people who fought alongside Kashmiri militants from Pakistan were "fighters" mostly from Gujranwala, Murdikey and Faisalabad, no one else other than many "fighers" from these areas have given their "blood" for the Kashmiris and Kashmiri struggle in 90s and early 2000s before Musharraf the Gangu delhiite put a solid obstacle for those fighters to appease his erstwhile Gangu homeland of India.

Now I know your racist agenda. It's between Punjab Vs rest of the Pakistan.. or Karachi vs Rest of Pakistan..

I know you guys very well.. By the way, where I lived in Karachi, in the same neighborhood, there were two (2) families of Shaheeds lived.. I used to live in Block 3 of Gulistan-e-Johar.. If you want, I can point you the home of one Shaheed on google maps. If you ever return to Pakistan, go and check with the family..

In my previous neighborhood, there was one guy who left his home and fought along side Kashmiris. I can again show his whereabouts..

I don't want to go into details about my own relative.. and where he fought, what happened to him..

Don't quote me every again.. I am putting you on my ignore list..

@Dubious
Although I can give this barsati maindak a negative rating, but I don't want him to think that I have abused my power.. so can you please show him his real auqaat please.. Thanks..

 

[Crusher]

Don't quote me every again.. I am putting you on my ignore list..

@Dubious

Can you please show this poster his real auqaat please.. Thanks..

Thank you very much, I am also putting you to my ignore list, the problem solved.

 

[Genghis khan1]

If Kashmiris put up a strong resistance, it will be very easy for Pakistan to support them. But if they don't, I think that's game over.. without a proxy war, it is more or less over.

Remember there is only so much besieged people can do. Don’t expect them to take the lead. Ball is in Pakistan court.

 

[El Sidd]

India has already started by Multiple terrorist attack in Pakistan today.

Plebscite or nuclear war is something people are looking at.

Otherwise Guerilla warfare is not new to Pakistan though here it may not be the case.

What happened to the Talibans offer of mediation since UN failed

 

[PakSword]

Remember there is only so much besieged people can do. Don’t expect them to take the lead. Ball is in Pakistan court.

I agree with this.. but after monitoring the situation during the past month or so, I think Pakistan is not willing to involve militarily (both overtly or covertly) in Kashmir if India doesn't attack us.. which in my opinion will not happen...

All we know is that IF India attacks Pakistan, we will fight till the last man. That's for sure.. no one is denying and we very well know about the resolve of our state...

 

[ghazi52]

Showing the door

 

[PakSword]

Otherwise Guerilla warfare is not new to Pakistan though here it may not be the case.

Why do you think that Guerrilla war is not an option? Because of terrorist supporting country tag on us?

 

[Genghis khan1]

India has already started by Multiple terrorist attack in Pakistan today.

Plebscite or nuclear war is something people are looking at.

Otherwise Guerilla warfare is not new to Pakistan though here it may not be the case.

What happened to the Talibans offer of mediation since UN failed

Don’t expect 900,000 troops to leave valley using Guerrilla warfare. Like Indian did in East Pakistan, trap them in Kashmir, cut their supply lines and follow through with full scale conflict.

 

[El Sidd]

Why do you think that Guerrilla war is not an option? Because of terrorist supporting country tag on us?

the Terrain coupled with logistics. only way guerilla warfare is possible is if troops are pulled Back in hope of plebscite.

nobody gives a damn about these Terror tags

Don’t expect 900,000 troops to leave valley using Guerrilla warfare. Like Indian did in East Pakistan, trap them in Kashmir, cut their supply lines and follow through with full scale conflict.

90000 Pak PoWs and good old calculation of 1 equals 10.

 

[PakSword]

Pakistan will attack

So you think there's a possibility of Pakistan attacking India first?