Pakistan's Onslaught Against India at UNGA - What's Next?

[Baghial]

The bar has been set so low by previous Pakistani leaders like Nawaz Sharif etc that Pakistanis are willing to celebrate anything coming from PM Khan. Even if it is a disgustingly pathetic UNGA speech where he defends and justifies Islamic terrorism and lectures the West.

Imran Khan’s speech UNGA2019 was more for the audience back home, and less for the rest of the world, and it seems that he can claim a victory on that front.

The celebrations in Pakistan around PM Khan's UNGA speech remind me of the celebrations around his last US visit. But after two weeks of that Kashmir was annexed by India and all the useful idiots in Pakistan realized that maybe they have celebrated prematurely.


When IK pointed out that due to the ‘1.2 B market’ the world doesnt take firm action against India, while Pakistan did the same by voting AGAINST human rights violation in Yemen, & abstaining their stand on Syria, as they didnt want to upset Saudi Arabia ( another market .



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In western society, holocaust is treated with sensitivity because it gives pain to Jewish community. That’s all we ask, don’t use freedom of speech to cause us pain by insulting our Holy Prophet (PBUH). That’s all we want. - PM Imran Khan..

BTW, holocaust is a historical fact and Jews weren't killed because they were involved in terrorism. They were killed because of antisemitism.

A hammer blow was struck clean across the enemy's brow today. The bringer of tyranny was forced to sit up, acknowledge and tolerate our fearless words of truth. Though I fear, the enemy will merely bow and bend while caught up in the eye of the storm, without buckling completely. The road seems infinite, with no end imaginable, let alone in sight.

But still, we will fight them.

are you writing while dreaming from your abyss.........wake up.....

UNGA----------193 countries ...

5 super powers

the rest 188 are migits country leaders .. bascially slaves.. behsharams /behgharaats ...

India is happy with what it has.. AJK is brought into picture for diplomatic pressure only.

you must be indian spokesperson then??

shall we start celebrations now.......that india will not take ladkh and ajk.......from pakistan..

or modi have vacated JK. after imrans history lesson to half occupied/the rest asleep UNGA..

 

[Soumitra]

Now its up to kashmiris. They would have to kill few dozen Indian soldiers to trigger a war.
Or
Its up to modi to do blood bath and trigger a world response never seen before.

None of these 2 will be happening

I am again sensing the impatience in us taking the best of us. Do we believe that only we are seeing this and those who actually matter have no contingency plan? I have said it before Pakistan will wait till the FATF review in October. We do not want to give them any ammo against us that would black list and ultimately bankrupt Pakistan which is what India wants to bankrupt Pakistan.
We will have to fight India on our terms and not on theirs. Today unfortunately due to the past decade of corruption, treachery, terrorism & war on Terror Pakistan stands weak and exposed. We cannot fight a war in this state. It has to be thoroughly planned out, and we lot needs to learn to be patient. Rome wasn't built in one day nor will Kashmir become free in one. It's a long drawn battle and we will have to fight it at our pace and advantage. Not India's.

First it was after UNGA in September now after FATF in October, then winter will come and passes will be blocked so we can expect action only in March

 

[Shane]

I seriously doubt Chinese will help us. They can provide all the diplomatic help, but will not involve in a proxy war against a neighboring country.

In the start, neither do I. That's the game we must understand and that's the risk we must endeavor to take. The higher the risk the bigger the reward is not just a saying, its a proven adage. Pakistan may have nothing to lose anyway but believe in itself and throw the gauntlet.

The key, again is the Kashmiri resolve... they need to change gears and replicate the resolve of the Afghans in picking up arms against the occupation.

The US did not jump into the Afghan war right away. Russia had'nt even invaded Afghanistan when Bhutto first met the Islamist leadership at the end of his days in power. When Gen. Zia took over, he decided in 1979 to go it alone in Afghanistan and support Mujahideen as the US was reluctant in the beginning. When POTUS Carter offered a few million in support, Zia rejected it as mere peanuts until US realized that Pakistanis were capable of developing an effective Mujahideen fighting force that can be used to inflict considerable damage to the Soviet Bear and avenge the wounds of Vietnam War. CIA started funding the training, equipment and support of Mujahideen via ISI.

The Chinese support element is indeed looking like a difficult prospect but not impossible. China is weary because of its own Muslim Provence population. That's why Pakistan needs to keep reassuring China of a contained effort against India. Imagine if there is a terrorism attack on the Chinese in Gwadar or CPEC project by Indian proxies working in Baluchistan...

A lot can happen but only if we dedicate our efforts towards the path that leads towards our goal, mere rhetoric is not going to sell for long.

 

[Baghial]

With due respect all of them were veterns of Soviet-Afghan war.They were dislodged from Govt were having stashes of arms and ammo scattered across whole country.People of IOJK enjoy none of it.

AFGHANS BURIED ALREADY 2 EMPIRES BEFORE AMERIKA, KUTA..

40 YRS OF EXPERIENCE....IRON. FAITH IN ALLAH. A CLEAR POLICY. LOYALITY UTMOST TO STRUGGLE

 

[jericho]

When IK pointed out that due to the ‘1.2 B market’ the world doesnt take firm action against India, while Pakistan did the same by voting AGAINST human rights violation in Yemen, & abstaining their stand on Syria, as they didnt want to upset Saudi Arabia ( another market .

Well, Pak didnt join war in Yemen in case you forgot, as far the 2 situations, on one hand Pakistan is facing economic challenges where the country could have gone bankrupt if some countries did not help it financially in the past year, it has to make decision for its survival, while on the other hand, the countries that Pakistan is appealing to for example US is a global leader, and it has enough clout to put pressure on India without having their country go bankrupt, there is a difference

BTW, holocaust is a historical fact and Jews weren't killed because they were involved in terrorism. They were killed because of antisemitism.

where did he say holocaust is not historical fact or Jews were involved in terrorism?

 

[PakSword]

With due respect all of them were veterns of Soviet-Afghan war.They were dislodged from Govt were having stashes of arms and ammo scattered across whole country.People of IOJK enjoy none of it.

I disagree.. that generation that fought against Soviets became too old in 2001 to fight another superpower.

 

[Baghial]

Well, Pak didnt join war in Yemen in case you forgot, as far the 2 situations, on one hand Pakistan is facing economic challenges where the country could have gone bankrupt if some countries did not help it financially in the past year, it has to make decision for its survival, while on the other hand, the countries that Pakistan is appealing to for example US is a global leader, and it has enough cloud to put pressure on India without having their country go bankrupt, there is a difference


where did he say holocaust is not historical fact or Jews were involved in terrorism?

UNRELEVENT EXAMPLE..

 

[jericho]

UNRELEVENT EXAMPLE..

i think you meant "Irrelevant"

 

[Sine Nomine]

I disagree.. that generation that fought against Soviets became too old in 2001 to fight another superpower.

Sir,i would like to disagree here,many of them were just when they were rushed to battlefield on top of that don't forget civil war and their vistory in it.They were training their men before 2001.

AFGHANS BURIED ALREADY 2 EMPIRES BEFORE AMERIKA, KUTA..

40 YRS OF EXPERIENCE....IRON. FAITH IN ALLAH. A CLEAR POLICY. LOYALITY UTMOST TO STRUGGLE

Nodoubt,they meant only war nothing else.

 

[Baghial]

Sir,i would like to disagree here,many of them were just when they were rushed to battlefield on top of that don't forget civil war and their vistory in it.They were training their men before 2001.


Nodoubt,they meant only war nothing else.

well they coul,d have gone to UNGA... .........and start crying there like an orphan..in front of the world.

insted they choose jihad...god given armour againts kafirs..pakistani govt is not for jihad..

so stay quite .. modi has forgotten AJK..........

 

[Sine Nomine]

well they coul,d have gone to UNGA... .........and start crying there like an orphan..in front of the world.

insted they choose jihad...god given armour againts kafirs..pakistani govt is not for jihad..

so stay quite .. modi has forgotten AJK..........

But we won't forget IOJK.

 

[PakSword]

In the start, neither do I. That's the game we must understand and that's the risk we must endeavor to take. The higher the risk the bigger the reward is not just a saying, its a proven adage. Pakistan may have nothing to lose anyway but believe in itself and throw the gauntlet.

The key, again is the Kashmiri resolve... they need to change gears and replicate the resolve of the Afghans in picking up arms against the occupation.

The US did not jump into the Afghan war right away. Russia had'nt even invaded Afghanistan when Bhutto first met the Islamist leadership at the end of his days in power. When Gen. Zia took over, he decided in 1979 to go it alone in Afghanistan and support Mujahideen as the US was reluctant in the beginning. When POTUS Carter offered a few million in support, Zia rejected it as mere peanuts until US realized that Pakistanis were capable of developing an effective Mujahideen fighting force that can be used to inflict considerable damage to the Soviet Bear and avenge the wounds of Vietnam War. CIA started funding the training, equipment and support of Mujahideen via ISI.

The Chinese support element is indeed looking like a difficult prospect but not impossible. China is weary because of its own Muslim Provence population. That's why Pakistan needs to keep reassuring China of a contained effort against India. Imagine if there is a terrorism attack on the Chinese in Gwadar or CPEC project by Indian proxies working in Baluchistan...

A lot can happen but only if we dedicate our efforts towards the path that leads towards our goal, mere rhetoric is not going to sell for long.

It is until recently, I was very optimistic about Chinese support. Now I am a bit skeptical. Chinese may not play a role similar to what US played in 1980s. It was a cold war era and US realized that they have got the elephant captured in a difficult terrain and they could slaughter it with little help.. it was an opportunity of a lifetime.. Also, US was already on top of the food chain at that time.. Also, China's enmity with India is not like US's against Russia. China is still struggling and will not be ready to compromise what it has achieved in the past 30-40 years.

But lets see how much we could convince Chinese to help Kashmiris in the coming months/ years..

 

[Nasr]

A lot has already been said in favor of a brilliant and well balanced address of Prime Minister Imran Khan at UNGA. Even many of his critics thoroughly enjoyed and praised PMIK's speech and have been seen saying "proud of being a Pakistani today" after quite a long time. His speech was heard across the globe and at one point, #ImranKhanVoiceOfKashmir became a top trend on twitter. Approximately a million tweets have been posted since, which means that his address (positively or negatively... doesn't matter) is being discussed all over the world on social media.

The four concerns raised in PMIK's speech were placed in an extremely intelligent way. People might say that he wasn't reading from his notes, but honestly speaking, it wasn't a speech without a thorough preparation. The words he used, the sentences he spoke, the emotions he showed and the warnings he delivered were so nicely connected, and the concerns were so logically lined up, that it seemed Pakistani mission contracted a psychologist in addition to many other experts to assist in formulating this masterpiece delivered by PMIK today.

He started with environmental concerns, which attracted many people who might not know about the sub-continent let alone Kashmir, proving himself as a concerned citizen of the planet Earth. After attracting environmentalists (and everyone now considers himself as one) and those who are badly affected by global warming, he tried to attract all the countries that face poverty due to corruption supported by the richer economies by creating tax heavens. This speech is a reminder to those countries which only blame the third world countries of plunder-friendly laws, but conveniently close their eyes on their actions to provide security to the wealth of looters and money launderers. His address will also impact the next session of FATF as PMIK has tried to capture moral high ground here. It was then a turn to attract Muslims. The way he presented Islam I can see that every Muslim who has listened to his speech will do some soul searching. Has anyone from the Muslim Ummah raised these points at a liberal forum with such a confidence before him? In his 5 minutes, he completely separated radicals (belonging to any religion) from the mainstream. It was one of the best, if not the best defense of Islam in current turbulent times.

Once he gathered the attention of the above, he started his onslaught against India on Kashmir. I am sure 90% of the concerned Indian population might have changed the tv channels and gone back to bollywood songs during his address.

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OK, enough said about the address. 2019 has been an eventful year for all three parties i.e. Pakistan, India and Kashmiris. So far, Pakistan has responded effectively to the limited strikes, 5th generation war on media, and on the diplomatic fronts. For Indians, it was a good year indeed as they annexed Kashmir quite easily by striking or amending a couple of articles in their constitution. Realistically speaking, world will keep its eyes closed due to a over-a-billion-people's-market even after PMIK's desperate efforts to wake up the conscience of the world's leaders. In these desperate times, money can easily be preferred over justice, no doubt about it. We have been haplessly and helplessly watching the land being snatched from Palestinians and no one could do anything to stop Israelis.

Pakistan has played almost all the diplomatic cards as of today. By not escalating the situation in February this year and returning the Indian pilot, by engaging ourselves in the Afghan peace process, by offering our help in Middle East's crisis, by raining environmental concerns and by using different platforms to convey Kashmiri plight, we have shown the world that we are a peaceful nation which believes in coexistence. But is this enough? What if world again goes to sleep and we end up as a lone voice on Kashmir? Will India take any measures to help Kashmiris? What if India lifts curfew but Kashmiris are not able to put up a strong Taliban like resistance on their own? Will we continue to prove ourselves as a peaceful non-violent nation and helplessly see our brethren in Kashmir getting killed, sisters getting raped and children getting kidnapped?

This is now crystal clear that Pakistan will not support any proxy war, and will not initiate a limited or full scale war. My question to all Pakistani forum members.. What now? Please shed some light on what do you think about the next few months/ years.. and predict the next steps of India and Pakistan.

@Dubious @Mangus Ortus Novem @Shane @Signalian @ali_raza @Path-Finder @war&peace @Areesh @Farah Sohail @Zibago and others

What next you ask?

UNITE Pakistan!!! Prosecute & Punish corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, law enforcement, judiciary and civil service.

Restructure state institutions to their "damn" jobs with honesty, integrity and the Imaan of true Muslims.

Reform our eduation system, standardizing quality of syllabus, teachers, affordability for students, increase salaries of teachers. Ensure educational institutions are not created "willy nilly" to make a cheap profit.

Plant 100 billion trees, ban all logging, impose a marshal plan to ban all petroleum driven vehicles to convert to all electric. Impose a marshal plan to irrigate Baluchistan at the level of Punjab.

Completely and comprehensively annihilate "wadayra," "paggadh," and "zameendar" culture with hard-hitting land reforms.

Establish the durability and habitability of Pakistani Muslims PRACTICING their faith in every day life. Without our Islam, we are NOTHING, without Islam there is NO Pakistan.

Without these points implemented, you will not see a strong Pakistan. Without a strong Pakistan, you will not see victory in Kashmir. Without our Imaan, we are not Muslim, and if we aren't Muslims, then we may as well not be Pakistani.

WAKE UP PAKISTANIS!!!

 

[PakSword]

Sir,i would like to disagree here,many of them were just when they were rushed to battlefield on top of that don't forget civil war and their vistory in it.They were training their men before 2001.

Lets see how the situation unfolds in Kashmir after that curfew is lifted. I am not very much hopeful about the role of Kashmiris except protests etc..

Kashmiris can gather everything they want from the neighboring countries.. if they really want to give a tough time to Indian terrorist army..

 

[Sine Nomine]

Lets see how the situation unfolds in Kashmir after that curfew is lifted. I am not very much hopeful about the role of Kashmiris except protests etc..

Kashmiris can gather everything they want from the neighboring countries.. if they really want to give a tough time to Indian terrorist army..

Sir,they can do nothing on their own,Pakistan is their last hope after Almighty.