abdulbarijan
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Abdulbarijan.
Do Some research on the concept of
TVC engines and their effect on AOA which are crucial in WVR dog fighting. Lef me give a example F16 max AOA is 28 Degrees SU30MKI is as high as 60 degrees.
Understand the concept of HMS ie helmet mounting sights on su30mki
IRST - Infra red search & track
Abdul do you know the MKI carries a PESA radar and a F16/52 of PAF carrys the old MSA radar.
Do you understand the difference between PESA AND MSA.
You people need educating that the F16 was great at defeating your muslim bros in MIG21/23 20 years ago.
BUT F16 was NOT built to FIGHT the SU30MKI or above SU35 J10
that job belongs to F35 F22 OR Typhoon rafale or F18 Super hornets with AESA.
but ABDUL you carry on telling us about your single sqd of 18 block 52 AND THE JORDANIAN JUNK PAF picked up recently
So don't be surprised if that supposed "junk" takes down one of your all so mighty MKI's ---
Abdul
Re your Comment the F-7 PG is another example ..
IM fraid THAT IS EXACTLY what you will have to do
Since you only have 18 BLOCK 52s ( I,m not going to count the junk from Jordan ) its your massive fleet of obsolete F7 & MIRAGESS that will have to chase the 270 SU30mki. .
Your little fleet of 40 Old block a./b THAT YOUR RECENTLY UPGRADED will stand next to no chance against over 150 UPGRADED MIRAGE2000-5 and MIG29K & MIG29SMT.
" As good as your tiny fleet of falcons is in your book" THEY CANT BE IN 4 PLACES AT THE SAME TIME
Spare me the JF17 lecture that the mighty airforces of Bangaldesh rejected
You are kind of a crazy, no sense making guy.. keep it up .. you are near perfection...
You are kind of a crazy, no sense making guy.. keep it up .. you are near perfection...So your argument is --- since the MKI beat the typhoons 12:0 because of reasons A,B & C --- therefore an MKI would also beat an F-16 because F-16 is older compared to a typhoon ...
First off, that 12:0 statement was taken back by the IAF, since -- you know -- it was false and RAF pointed that out for ya --- and its not really the first time that the IAF well wishers have gone berserk with their claims -- Be it Indra dhanush 07 where airforce monthly completely ripped the story that was presented to IAF fanboys, or that incident with the USAF colonel's video which pretty much exposed the "greatness of the IAF" and lets not forget the Cope India's --- What was it ?? --- We beat USAF 9:1 at Cope India's -- except when the ROE's were released, the claim became comical -- which is not an understatement as Indian victory at Cope India was something like....
Floyd Mayweather going " Not bragging but --- I have knocked out Muhammad Ali " --- following it up by " M.Ali at that time was 70 years of age, had Parkinson syndrome , was fighting with both his hands tied behind his back and a couple of my boys holding him down"
and lets not ignore the great logic, where since the F-16 is older then typhoon, hence if the IAF beat the typhoon it is automatically assumed that MKI will be whopping the falcons left & right .. funny how the typhoons have had kills over the MKI in Indra dhanush 07's and the fact that F-16 itself has participated with typhoons in different exercises and has got simulated kills ... and here is a kicker -- the SU-30, like the F-16 is also older compared to an EF-2000 ...
and while we're talking about records, lets not forget the IAF's biggest record, that makes it number one in the world i.e Crash record -- since we're assuming these records would be translating in to battle -- lets not be picky and choosy
THAT -- the highlighted -- happens more often than you think.
I learned to fly in a Cessna 152 back in 1981-82. Does that mean I can fly an F-4 ? If I put you, assuming you are a licensed automobile operator, into the cockpit of an F1 racer, does that mean you can credibly challenge Castroneves ? Your comment about the F-16 seems to be of the typical 'fanboy' kind who focuses solely on hardware specs and not on the human factor.
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In Operation Bolo, half of the North Vietnamese MIG-21s were shot down by F-4s that were inferior in most specs. Your comment of "unless the pilot doesn't know what he is doing." was truly applicable there. The North Vietnamese pilots knew how to take off and land, knew how to operate the throttle and stick, and knew how to trigger the weapons, but that was pretty much "know what he is doing." The result ? The North Vietnamese pilots and their MIG-21s got slaughtered. Operation Bolo became text book example in every air forces in the world on how a wily pilot in a 'mediocre' aircraft can prevail over an opponent flying a technically superior machine.
Do you know what it is like to view the world from 20k ft from the bubble cockpit of an F-16 or anything equivalent ? I do. Do you know what it is like to have 9g on your body ? I do. Do you know what it is like to fly 10 meters altitude over the English Channel in Terrain Following mode in an F-111 ? I do.
Your comment about the F-16 compares to the F-15 was also revealing of your ignorance. Clue for you: No F-15 pilot want to meet an F-16, even the older analog A model, in a dogfight.
Here is something I learned from my 10 yrs in the USAF...
In a fight, you win not by fighting under your opponent's rules, but by forcing him to fight under yours. And cheating is allowed.
Anything that your airplane can do that your opponent either cannot or is inferior in specs, is a rule. The F-16 can turn 9g but the F-15 cannot, so position yourself to where you force the F-15 into a turning fight. The 9g capability is a rule. The F-15 have a larger radar than the F-16, that is a rule, so you being the F-15 pilot, should do whatever you can to maximize that advantage and force your opponent, F-16 or any fighter, to fight under your radar advantages. No matter what you fly, F-15 or F-16 or SU-30 or MIG-21 or F-4, how well you know yours and your opponent's machines determines how quickly you can force him to fight under your specs advantages -- rules. Your training, experiences, and wit matters as much as the hardware you fly.
What make the F-16 an extraordinary aircraft, one that WILL enter military aviation history among world's A-list, is its entire package, from design to shape to ergonomics, that make it easier for its pilot to move his opponent into inferior positions, in other words, if the F-16 pilot know what he is doing, the F-16 will make it easier for the pilot to win. You can have an airframe that can pull 9g, but if it require the pilot more cockpit work to achieve a 9g turn, odds are good that this pilot will lose in a fight against the F-16, which make it so easier for its pilot to turn 9g. Soviet/Russian aircrafts do not have a reputation of being easy to learn and to fly. How do we know ? We have a fleet of Soviet/Russian fighters in our possession to study. Our 'Red Eagles' pilots flew MIG-21s and trained US pilots on how to out-wit a MIG-21 pilot.
Other than against the Raptor, I will take my chances in an F-16.
In terms of Battle Field Record I would Disagree as PAF Pilots have Engaged with lot of superior enemies in terms of Tech as well as Capabilities like in 2 Arab Israel wars(Flying Russian Planes against French Mirages of Israeli IAF) and also recorded Confirm Kills as well few Pakistani Pilots also took part and during Cold War PAF Pilots also engaged with Russian Jets as well though it remains only to Lock down stage and didnt went further so Pakistan has much better Battle Field record then Indians if you have done research before discussing that.The IAF is one of the best trained air forces in the world, the PAF is moderately good but they aren't at IAF levels of training or professionalism.
Years ago that was true.In terms of Battle Field Record I would Disagree as PAF Pilots have Engaged with lot of superior enemies in terms of Tech as well as Capabilities like in 2 Arab Israel wars(Flying Russian Planes against French Mirages of Israeli IAF) and also recorded Confirm Kills as well few Pakistani Pilots also took part and during Cold War PAF Pilots also engaged with Russian Jets as well though it remains only to Lock down stage and didnt went further so Pakistan has much better Battle Field record then Indians if you have done research before discussing that.
Since you only have 18 BLOCK 52s ( I,m not going to count the junk from Jordan ) its your massive fleet of obsolete F7 & MIRAGESS that will have to chase the 270 SU30mki. .
Your little fleet of 40 Old block a./b THAT YOUR RECENTLY UPGRADED will stand next to no chance against over 150 UPGRADED MIRAGE2000-5 and MIG29K & MIG29SMT.
Spare me the JF17 lecture that the mighty airforces of Bangaldesh rejected
Dont think 60 or so F-16s can be that much of a problem for the 230-250+ Su-30s + upgraded Mirage 2000s.
Most probably something to do with getting more funds for further jets or speed up the process.