PAKISTAN’S MIRAGES: SPECIALISTS ENDURING OUT OF NECESSITY

[HRK]

The situation @HRK posted might have employed a multiple platform scenario.

Araz shaib I was not discussing or debating any scenario, I just stated the capability of PL-5EII short range air to air missile in response to denel argument that JF-17 does not have off-bore sight capable missile, his argument which he later clarify that meant for a HMDS integrated off-bore sight missile.

My second response to another of his argument about MiG-21 was a request to him to read official reports regarding MiG-21 Bison, which is an off-topic discussion therefore did not indulge myself into the detail related to this, BTW comparing MiG-21 with any of the 4th generation fighter is at minimum idiotic in its essence.

 

[Storm Force]

Araz shaib I was not discussing or debating any scenario, I just stated the capability of PL-5EII short range air to air missile in response to denel argument that JF-17 does not have off-bore sight capable missile, his argument which he later clarify that meant for a HMDS integrated off-bore sight missile.

A serous weakness in your thunder fleet
Surprising you have hundred of these jets and no Hms or hobs missile in sight.

Yet many believe dog fighting capability Wil remain prominent in south Asian sky's

 

[Dazzler]

A serous weakness in your thunder fleet
Surprising you have hundred of these jets and no Hms or hobs missile in sight.

Yet many believe dog fighting capability Wil remain prominent in south Asian sky's

What is the offboresight angle of R-73 that IAF employs?

 

[Storm Force]

What is the offboresight angle of R-73 that IAF employs?

The thunder and every fighter in the Pakistan air force has to engage the Indian fighter by vectoring it's nose to achieve a lock on .the average Max angle of attack us between 23 -28 degrees

In contrast the Indians use three different hobs missiles
Asrraam on jaguar and mirage2000/5
Python five on Lca
R73,on flankers fulcrums and bison.

Each mated to a helmet display
You look you shoot Max angle us sixty degrees.

The Indian fighter will huge advantage

The only similar capability in Pakistan is the block 52,

It's the shear speed of head movement versus turning them fighters nose

 

[Dazzler]

The thunder and every fighter in the Pakistan air force has to engage the Indian fighter by vectoring it's nose to achieve a lock on .the average Max angle of attack us between 23 -28 degrees

In contrast the Indians use three different hobs missiles
Asrraam on jaguar and mirage2000/5
Python five on Lca
R73,on flankers fulcrums and bison.

Each mated to a helmet display
You look you shoot Max angle us sixty degrees.

The Indian fighter will huge advantage

The only similar capability in Pakistan is the block 52,

It's the shear speed of head movement versus turning them fighters nose

Not an issue, BVR SD10As will take care of all. Dont be surprised if IAF fleet had a missile shoved right after takeoff.

 

[HRK]

What is the offboresight angle of R-73 that IAF employs?

Bro you are engaging Strom Force .... you must be aware that he is second only to Gru Dutt in trolling, don't give respect which he does not deserve .... look how easily he deflected your query in his reply. A request don't help him to derail the thread

I bet he is not aware about the off-bore sight angle of R-73

 

[Dazzler]

Bro you are engaging Strom Force .... you must be aware that he is second only to Gru Dutt in trolling, don't give respect which he does not deserve .... look how easily he deflected your query in his reply. A request don't help him to derail the thread

I bet he is not aware about the off-bore sight angle of R-73

Oh yeah, i asked apply and he came up with oranges. That's enough of a sign that he is troll.

 

[Storm Force]

Bro you are engaging Strom Force .... you must be aware that he is second only to Gru Dutt in trolling, don't give respect which he does not deserve .... look how easily he deflected your query in his reply. A request don't help him to derail the thread

I bet he is not aware about the off-bore sight angle of R-73

Check it yourself

40 degrees for early model r73,and Max 60 degrees for later series r73,e

Versus average angle of fighter 24 degrees

Which I have included in first reply

Every single fourth generation fighter bar the thunder carry's a hobs missile mated to a Hms

 

[Dazzler]

Check it yourself

40 degrees for early model r73,and Max 60 degrees for later series r73,e

Versus average angle of fighter 24 degrees

Which I have included in first reply

Every single fourth generation fighter bar the thunder carry's a hobs missile mated to a Hms

At least check the internet before making idiotic tall claims. Go figure the offboresight angle of MAA-1A, Aim-9L/M and Pl-5EII.

 

[Storm Force]

Oh yeah, i asked apply and he came up with oranges. That's enough of a sign that he is troll.

I have answered your question buddy
I am fully aware of both the strength and numerous weaknesses in all south Asian fighters

At least check the internet before making idiotic tall claims. Go figure the offboresight angle of MAA-1A, Aim-9L/M and Pl-5EII.

They are redundant if you have no helmet mounted display

Your relying on outdated vectoring of your nose

Cheap outdated tactics

Read bekaa valley dog fight to understand the huge impact of Hms Ir hmd

 

[Dazzler]

I have answered your question buddy
I am fully aware of both the strength and numerous weaknesses in all south Asian fighters


They are redundant if you have no helmet mounted display

They are not needed when we have the BVR (sd-10A, Aim 120 c5 both exceed 105 kms head on) with the longest engagement range head on in the region. This makes your entire IAF redundant.

 

[Storm Force]

They are not needed when we have the BVR with the longest engagement range head on in the region. This leaves your entire IAF redundant.

If you say so

I suggest

R77 and R27 on flankers with bars pesa radars
Or mica bvr on mirage2000with Rcs 400.radars,
Or derby bvr with Ella radars on Lca
And finally the daddy
Rafale with meteors ramjets from next year

Might have their say

 

[Dazzler]

If you say so

I suggest

R77 and R27 on flankers with bars pesa radars
Or mica bvr on mirage2000with Rcs 400.radars,
Or derby bvr with Ella radars on Lca
And finally the daddy
Rafale with meteors ramjets from next year

Might have their say

Yeah right, in your bollywood fantasies.

 

[Storm Force]

Yeah right, in your bollywood fantasies.

Sorry don't understand your post

Fantasy how

Explain

 

[HRK]

and Max 60 degrees for later series r73,e

OFFICIAL SITE: http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/r-73e/

The missile attacks a target within the off-boresight angles of ± 45˚ at line-of-sight rates of up to 60 deg/s.

Which I have included in first reply

read your post (link) again

no need to reply me or post any more off-topic post