Pakistan's military capable to penetrate Rajasthan

[Mercenary]

If Pakistan launches a ground offensive into Rajasthan, several things need to happen.

1 - Pakistan needs to establish a solid air cover for the ground forces and beat back any aerial counter-offensive launced by the Indian Air Force. Which means a solid network of missiles, AAA, rockets to pound the Indian Air Force.

2 - Attacking forces need to be equipped with a very high number of anti-tank missiles, mortars and rockets to beat back any Indian Armored thrust onto the Pakistani Attacking forces.

3 - Pakistan needs a solid chain of armored columns to carry ammo, supplies, equipment, in order to establish a defensive perimeter deep within Rajasthan and deploy artillery to create a solid ring of defensive shield.

Pakistan lacks high-altitude missile batteries to shoot down advanced Indian Fighters and even the medium and low range AAA batteries are insufficient to create an air-shield over the attacking forces.

Pakistan's anti-Tank missiles are woefully inadequate for the Indian Armor that it is expected to face. The heavily Armored T-90 and Arjun Tanks can take multiple hits and thus we need to invest in more lethal anti-tank missiles and large quantities of them to completely saturate the battlefield with them.

Pakistan lacks Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Trucks and has obsolete APC to transport troops to the battlefield and does not have sufficient Artillery or MLRS to cover every region of the battlefield.

In short, Pakistan is no position to launch an offensive war into India.

Pakistan needs High Altitude SAMs, large numbers of Medium Range Missile Batteries and low range AAA, more lethal Anti-tank missiles, Infantry Fighting Vehicles and more artillery, MLRS.

 

[A1Kaid]

^military usually evacuates the civvies before going for a counter-attack

Has there been such evacuations in the past? In previous times tensions were high or war was raging?

 

[Abhishek_]

If Pakistan launches a ground offensive into Rajasthan, several things need to happen.

1 - Pakistan needs to establish a solid air cover for the ground forces and beat back any aerial counter-offensive launced by the Indian Air Force. Which means a solid network of missiles, AAA, rockets to pound the Indian Air Force.

2 - Attacking forces need to be equipped with a very high number of anti-tank missiles, mortars and rockets to beat back any Indian Armored thrust onto the Pakistani Attacking forces.

3 - Pakistan needs a solid chain of armored columns to carry ammo, supplies, equipment, in order to establish a defensive perimeter deep within Rajasthan and deploy artillery to create a solid ring of defensive shield.

Pakistan lacks high-altitude missile batteries to shoot down advanced Indian Fighters and even the medium and low range AAA batteries are insufficient to create an air-shield over the attacking forces.

Pakistan's anti-Tank missiles are woefully inadequate for the Indian Armor that it is expected to face. The heavily Armored T-90 and Arjun Tanks can take multiple hits and thus we need to invest in more lethal anti-tank missiles and large quantities of them to completely saturate the battlefield with them.

Pakistan lacks Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Trucks and has obsolete APC to transport troops to the battlefield and does not have sufficient Artillery or MLRS to cover every region of the battlefield.

In short, Pakistan is no position to launch an offensive war into India.

Pakistan needs High Altitude SAMs, large numbers of Medium Range Missile Batteries and low range AAA, more lethal Anti-tank missiles, Infantry Fighting Vehicles and more artillery, MLRS.

^the long n thin geography of PK works heavily against PA. it sure is a pickle.

Has there been such evacuations in the past? In previous times tensions were high or war was raging?

only from my limited knowledge. i'm by no means an expert.
one can also look at war casualties, civ deaths aren't that big which leads me to believe evac ops are carried out.

others with more details can chime in

 

[Joe Shearer]

If Pakistan launches a ground offensive into Rajasthan, several things need to happen.

1 - Pakistan needs to establish a solid air cover for the ground forces and beat back any aerial counter-offensive launced by the Indian Air Force. Which means a solid network of missiles, AAA, rockets to pound the Indian Air Force.

2 - Attacking forces need to be equipped with a very high number of anti-tank missiles, mortars and rockets to beat back any Indian Armored thrust onto the Pakistani Attacking forces.

3 - Pakistan needs a solid chain of armored columns to carry ammo, supplies, equipment, in order to establish a defensive perimeter deep within Rajasthan and deploy artillery to create a solid ring of defensive shield.

Pakistan lacks high-altitude missile batteries to shoot down advanced Indian Fighters and even the medium and low range AAA batteries are insufficient to create an air-shield over the attacking forces.

Pakistan's anti-Tank missiles are woefully inadequate for the Indian Armor that it is expected to face. The heavily Armored T-90 and Arjun Tanks can take multiple hits and thus we need to invest in more lethal anti-tank missiles and large quantities of them to completely saturate the battlefield with them.

Pakistan lacks Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Trucks and has obsolete APC to transport troops to the battlefield and does not have sufficient Artillery or MLRS to cover every region of the battlefield.

In short, Pakistan is no position to launch an offensive war into India.

Pakistan needs High Altitude SAMs, large numbers of Medium Range Missile Batteries and low range AAA, more lethal Anti-tank missiles, Infantry Fighting Vehicles and more artillery, MLRS.

At the cost of converting this interesting speculation to a sniggering contest, that was what our Israeli friend was getting sardonic about. Pakistan Army can attack, can make shallow gains for a day or two, can hold position within Rajasthan, but cannot sustain the attack.

 

[Mercenary]

At the cost of converting this interesting speculation to a sniggering contest, that was what our Israeli friend was getting sardonic about. Pakistan Army can attack, can make shallow gains for a day or two, can hold position within Rajasthan, but cannot sustain the attack.

Pakistan needs to change its doctrine to a Defensive War rather than offensive war.

Pakistan can certainly hold its own in a Defensive War should India choose to launch an attack into Pakistan but Pakistan due to the sheer conventional and technological advantages that India has can never hope to match.

The best case would be to draw India into a costly attack into Pakistan and bleed its attacking forces and reserves and then Pakistan can launch an offensive attack but even that won't work as India can continue the attack for weeks engaging Pakistan into a battle of attrition.

In an all out conventional war between India and Pakistan, Pakistani Army would be defeated in less than two weeks although taking a heavy toll on the Indian forces.

 

[Abhishek_]

^fortunately Indians would rather engage in diplomacy instead of hostility

 

[jnd3x0]

Pakistan needs to change its doctrine to a Defensive War rather than offensive war.

Pakistan can certainly hold its own in a Defensive War should India choose to launch an attack into Pakistan but Pakistan due to the sheer conventional and technological advantages that India has can never hope to match.

The best case would be to draw India into a costly attack into Pakistan and bleed its attacking forces and reserves and then Pakistan can launch an offensive attack but even that won't work as India can continue the attack for weeks engaging Pakistan into a battle of attrition.

In an all out conventional war between India and Pakistan, Pakistani Army would be defeated in less than two weeks although taking a heavy toll on the Indian forces.

brother you having some issues with pakistan? your all posts are biased full of your own ego satisfying BS ...

once the full blown war broke out between us, there will two option in the end either we cease fire or eventually terminate us both with nukes(that I doubt will ever happen). India will never capture Pakistan lands in deep nor Pakistan because that will lead both to nuclear strikes which both knows it's ultimate destruction of both, war in SA will be no joke it will be blood bath on both sides.

neither us or india can win the next war between each other.

 

[RazPaK]

To answer op, yes.

Over the years this drill has been practiced many times in Cholistan and Rahim yar Khan.

Also the chinese have also had drills with us there. They are very interested in this desert route.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan needs to change its doctrine to a Defensive War rather than offensive war.

Pakistan can certainly hold its own in a Defensive War should India choose to launch an attack into Pakistan but Pakistan due to the sheer conventional and technological advantages that India has can never hope to match.

The best case would be to draw India into a costly attack into Pakistan and bleed its attacking forces and reserves and then Pakistan can launch an offensive attack but even that won't work as India can continue the attack for weeks engaging Pakistan into a battle of attrition.

In an all out conventional war between India and Pakistan, Pakistani Army would be defeated in less than two weeks although taking a heavy toll on the Indian forces.

Not true, Indians would expire their supplies much faster. Pakistan has greater usuable ammunition stocks than India.

 

[Abhishek_]

Not true, Indians would expire their supplies much faster. Pakistan has greater usuable ammunition stocks than India.

i don't see much merit in the claim above, in any case indian warfighting capability can far outlast PA's.

 

[jnd3x0]

i don't see much merit in the claim above, in any case indian warfighting capability can far outlast PA's.

even this factor will help us more then Indians ... it will give us more Justification points to use nukes early. you think we will let Indians come near Islamabad? and If we will go for nuke option don't think we will hit one nuke to scare you off, we will make sure nothing remains on your side to ensure you can't reply. well Lets hope we both never get in such engagement and settle our disagreements on table for betterment of our up coming generations.

 

[hari sud]

Well said "Mercenary" in so many of your posts in this thread.

Your suggestions should be forwarded to the Pakistani High Command.

These should dissuade them to think otherwise, other than capturing Rajasthan.

Moreover concentration of Pakistani Army is in Pakistani Punjab. Army withdrawn from there and:

1. Short on air cover is dead army. India has major advantage against PAK army here.

2. Pakistan has outdated anti-Tank missile system which was not very good in 1965 or 1971. It will be suicide for tank brigades to hurtle forward in desert sand and face a barrage of very new anti-tank missiles fired by infantry, air cavalary or T-90 and Arjun-2 tanks. It is plain simple suicide.

3. If you have no tanks left, then that - Red Ball Express of lorries to take ammunition to the tanks in the battlefied is useless. It happened at Khemkaran in 1965. Pakistani lorries were taking Ammo. to the tank formations when they found 100 of their tanks already surrendred or destroyed in the muddy fields. Nobody was there to take the deliveries.


I am so glad that you have concluded that:

"In short, Pakistan is no position to launch an offensive war into India."

Good work anyway!!!

 

[Abhishek_]

even this factor will help us more then Indians ... it will give us more Justification points to use nukes early. you think we will let Indians come near Islamabad? and If we will go for nuke option don't think we will hit one nuke to scare you off, we will make sure nothing remains on your side to ensure you can't reply. well Lets hope we both never get in such engagement and settle our disagreements on table for betterment of our up coming generations.

i dont think we need to get close to isloo. the IA merely needs to open multiple fronts to thin out PA assets and choke it at sea. the rest is just a matter of time before PA runs out of steam.

as for nukes, hardly anyone takes those sort of warnings seriously.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

To do this Pakistan needs a conventional strength at least equal to that of turkey or south Korea & @ present we don't have it. so "NO" Pakistan cannot afford to capture rajasthan, let alone holding it up,
see the best aspect of the strength of both turkey & south Korea are that they have invested in industrializations & a robust ship building industries & these two are an absolute necessity for developing a strong conventional capabilities in the field of conventional military strength, size does not matter in these case, give south Korea & turkey nukes & they can give India or China , a run for their money on a one on one match, sadly for us Pakistan besides the fact being a larger country then both turkey & south Korea have failed to utilize on two of the most important factor which helps in building a strong conventional military strength & they are "industrialization & ship building" which basically forms the back bone of a "strong economy" along with a "strong defense" industry supported by an active development in the field of R&D's, industrialization is a "double edge sword" & the most rewarding byproduct of industrialization are a "strong economy" which helps in creating a "strong conventional & strategic" "military strength" & "capabilities"

 

[jnd3x0]

i dont think we need to get close to isloo. the IA merely needs to open multiple fronts to thin out PA assets and choke it at sea. the rest is just a matter of time before PA runs out of steam.

as for nukes, hardly anyone takes those sort of warnings seriously.

Sir you are talking like you will be facing 'police type' force but if that's how you perceive us then not bad. ...