Pakistan's love for Saudi Arabia '95% favourable': Pew poll

[SQ8]

Sir - It was same common man who supported the creation of this country in the name of religion. Perhaps we should revisit their historical decisions as well.

We should. That is idea of questioning the norm. Was their support for the cause of Pakistan a false pretext or not? Can we today justify their support for this cause in light of the current state this country is in?

It is the same common man that also provided support to the call of Paleedistan.. it is also the same common man that felt hatred against Bengalis after 71.. forgetting that it stood by without supporting them prior to it. Hence, The status of this common man is nothing more than goats.

Yet, it was these common people who found the message of Pakistan.. and common people in Mecca who accepted an earlier message. What made them change their minds? Hence, instead of being content with "its all good as it is" one should never stop questioning and analysing the reasons for the common man being herded to a particular call.

 

[Sugarcane]

Sir, it was mostly Bengali Muslims who supported the creation of this country in the name of Islam. If we lost them due to our magnificence, why not lose the charade as well? Jinnah used "Mussalman" logic with excellence, however, I don't think that present day Pakistan is what he was hoping for. My take? He would have committed suicide if he was alive to see the transformation of this beautiful country into an Arab lapdog. Pure and unadulterated fact.

Bro - Who were those "Our Heroes" which were "their foes" the integral part of two nation theory which is foundation of this country? You are right it was bengalies mainly who struggled for new country because they where genuinely oppressed by British and Hindus but that was not the case in region "Today's Pakistan" - So, the religion was used to gather their support, and same religious sentiments were out of control as well when "Muslims" killed millions of innocent Hindus & Sikhs - I know millions of Muslims were killed as well but here i am talking about religion of peace to show that disease of intolerance and barbarism and blind following is not a new phenomena, it existed at the time of creation of this country, and surfaced every time whenever religion was used in politics and creation of this country is one of those events. So, thinking that you will be able to keep this country integrated by separating religion is gross mistake and thinking that you will be able to control influence of KSA/Iran on a country who is intact just because of religion is like living in fools paradise. So, more harshly you will suppress these sentiments more stronger it will become unless your actions outweigh the reaction --- That's what i have learned

 

[Sugarcane]

We should. That is idea of questioning the norm. Was their support for the cause of Pakistan a false pretext or not? Can we today justify their support for this cause in light of the current state this country is in?

It is the same common man that also provided support to the call of Paleedistan.. it is also the same common man that felt hatred against Bengalis after 71.. forgetting that it stood by without supporting them prior to it. Hence, The status of this common man is nothing more than goats.

Yet, it was these common people who found the message of Pakistan.. and common people in Mecca who accepted an earlier message. What made them change their minds? Hence, instead of being content with "its all good as it is" one should never stop questioning and analysing the reasons for the common man being herded to a particular call.

How you are sure that all of the common people of west Pakistan accepted message of Pakistan? Rallies in few cities doesn't represent decision of all people, recent elections shows that clearly and nor elected landlords represent sentiments of people. And Prophet SAW didn't forced his message, He made people understand it - You are doing opposite here, you are bashing people for their beliefs instead of making them understand your point. And i am afraid this extreme will push people in middle to other extreme instead of making them realize their mistakes.

 

[AUz]

I voted for "favorable"

 

[SQ8]

How you are sure that all of the common people of west Pakistan accepted message of Pakistan? Rallies in few cities doesn't represent decision of all people, recent elections shows that clearly and nor elected landlords represent sentiments of people. And Prophet SAW didn't forced his message, He made people understand it - You are doing opposite here, you are bashing people for their beliefs instead of making them understand your point. And i am afraid this extreme will push people in middle to other extreme instead of making them realize their mistakes.

Am I? Bashing people?
Look what it did.. it got you thinking. Two posts ago you were hesitant on the aspect of bashing the common mans decisions and its outcomes.. and look.. now you are following the same thought process of looking into the whys of the common man's decision...that worked out well in my view.
Do you agree that the common man wishes to talk and hug the terrorists? After all, it is their elected who are taking these steps...is then by process the common man not accountable for his decision? Are all supporters of PPP not accountable for their governments actions? Some would argue that with elections still rigged this is not the representation of the common man or you or me; but then is it not essentially our own fault that we do not ask for our rights? Hence, are we not as common men responsible for our own fates to be led like sheep to the wolves? analogically.. are we not as common men responsible for tolerating leadership and elements in society that allow extremism to take root, allow both Saudi Arabia and Iran to finance a proxy war on our soil resulting in the death of Pakistanis for their games.. and still hold them favourably? Then, knowing these acts are occurring.. should I still identify myself with the common man who considers both of these nations innocent? Shall I not critique my fellow common man?

And the reason I keep equating the common man with goats is simple.. Do you know that many Prophets were shepherds?
Could you get the reason for that? Its because goats have the same tendency.. to go in the opposite direction to where you push them, to suddenly break lines and then take others. So if they could have the patience to do that well, they could do the same to men.. in a balance of prodding, pushing , beating and calling.. you get them all to follow. These common men were swayed by people who acted as change agents.. the phenomenon of Prophets is different as it is both spiritual and divine and hence not bound by earthly laws, but the phenomenon of the Pakistan movement is based on these men using the balance of prodding, pushing and calling to enact the change process.All they needed was the 50.01% to get their change moving.. and most simply ended up following and reduced their resistance to change. And this play with the agency of change is what all me and Hyperion are doing as such.. willingly or unwillingly.


Now, to the point of view that we are putting across is.. where does one draw the line between a favourable view of Saudi Arabia..and a worshipping role to them. Hence, is the favourable view based on the point you put across as for "Islamic" purposes or is it truly based on equal job opportunities, equality in workforce and general "helpful" view of Saudis in Pakistani society.
The same goes for many people who heap praises on western societies in Pakistan.. are these views based on just their performance as a society or more rooted in psychological aspects of identity and belonging.

 

[naveen mishra]

@naveen mishra - This is between Pakistan & KSA, I can understand concerns of Pakistanis who dislike KSA, Why you got heart burn? And BTW Indian should be last to talk on topic of racism as your are most racist people on earth.

lol..................

 

[MastanKhan]

I can speak on behalf of my country since I work for it.

Pakistan is no cheap to us, if you think we are harming you in anyway INTENTIONALLY then I guess you should understand by now that Saudi Arabia is also a victim of these terror groups. Many Saudis lost their lives by the same group you and I hate.

Hi,

If you truly hate those terrorists---then stop the flow of funds from saudi arabia to these fundos and force the emirates and other kingdoms to do the same.

Totally condemn and discredit the fanatics---declare them non muslims and pass a religious edict for their immediate execution when caught---a total expulsion from islam and no islamic burial---basically burn the bodies---. Their islamic names expunged from their family lineage---anyone associating with them in any way charged in a similiar manner.

You saudis only have a SOB STORY to tell uptill now of how you have suffered---but you have not taken these acts of terror seriously. The whole of islamic world has suffered from these morons that you expelled from your country and dumped that misery on other nations.

Why did you not execute them when you had the oppurtunity----why have your preachers stuck their heads up their ar-ses in whole heartedly condemning these mo-rons---

You bring your holier than thou stench over here---and tell us what you want to and my imbecile countrymen are waving their flags that the great saudi has spoken the GOD'S TRUTH---pathetic are those who do not have their identities and forego their nationalistic honor and identity for a BROTHERHOOD that is based on a lie.

 

[Chronos]

Am I? Bashing people?
Look what it did.. it got you thinking. Two posts ago you were hesitant on the aspect of bashing the common mans decisions and its outcomes.. and look.. now you are following the same thought process of looking into the whys of the common man's decision...that worked out well in my view.
Do you agree that the common man wishes to talk and hug the terrorists? After all, it is their elected who are taking these steps...is then by process the common man not accountable for his decision? Are all supporters of PPP not accountable for their governments actions? Some would argue that with elections still rigged this is not the representation of the common man or you or me; but then is it not essentially our own fault that we do not ask for our rights? Hence, are we not as common men responsible for our own fates to be led like sheep to the wolves? analogically.. are we not as common men responsible for tolerating leadership and elements in society that allow extremism to take root, allow both Saudi Arabia and Iran to finance a proxy war on our soil resulting in the death of Pakistanis for their games.. and still hold them favourably? Then, knowing these acts are occurring.. should I still identify myself with the common man who considers both of these nations innocent? Shall I not critique my fellow common man?

And the reason I keep equating the common man with goats is simple.. Do you know that many Prophets were shepherds?
Could you get the reason for that? Its because goats have the same tendency.. to go in the opposite direction to where you push them, to suddenly break lines and then take others. So if they could have the patience to do that well, they could do the same to men.. in a balance of prodding, pushing , beating and calling.. you get them all to follow. These common men were swayed by people who acted as change agents.. the phenomenon of Prophets is different as it is both spiritual and divine and hence not bound by earthly laws, but the phenomenon of the Pakistan movement is based on these men using the balance of prodding, pushing and calling to enact the change process.All they needed was the 50.01% to get their change moving.. and most simply ended up following and reduced their resistance to change. And this play with the agency of change is what all me and Hyperion are doing as such.. willingly or unwillingly.


Now, to the point of view that we are putting across is.. where does one draw the line between a favourable view of Saudi Arabia..and a worshipping role to them. Hence, is the favourable view based on the point you put across as for "Islamic" purposes or is it truly based on equal job opportunities, equality in workforce and general "helpful" view of Saudis in Pakistani society.
The same goes for many people who heap praises on western societies in Pakistan.. are these views based on just their performance as a society or more rooted in psychological aspects of identity and belonging.

Well thought out post Oscar. Kudos

The last point you made. I think the Pakistanis who support westerners are probably doing out of a sense of identitiy. They point towards the achievements of the west to re affirm their beliefs. So it is cyclical.

Oh and I don't know why Indians are criticising Pakistanis for identifyng with Arabs.

Just leave them alone.

Indians belong to thousands years old history and we should be proud of who we are and heritage. That doesn't mean belittling or imposing our sense of identity on other people

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir - It was same common man who supported the creation of this country in the name of religion. Perhaps we should revisit their historical decisions as well.

Son,

Stop living this illusion of common man-----the common man who supported the creation of pakistan was not as an individual but acted as a HERD.

Majority of muslims of hind were totally illeterate and poor. They were given an idol to worship in the form of Jinnah---they loved and cherished him and a man that they could look upto a man who could stand tall and look the white man in the eye.

They worshipped and idolized Bhutto, Benazir, Nawaz, saudi arabia---it is all stayed the same---a blind following.

It is just like the elections in Zimbabwe---Mugabe wins by 90% votes----saudi arabia gets 93% votes----children---stop making fools of yourselves.

 

[MastanKhan]

Well thought out post Oscar. Kudos

The last point you made. I think the Pakistanis who support westerners are probably doing out of a sense of identitiy. They point towards the achievements of the west to re affirm their beliefs. So it is cyclical.

Oh and I don't know why Indians are criticising Pakistanis for identifyng with Arabs.


Hi,

Seemingly---the indians are telling the pakistanis to be cognizant of their identity---because without identity---a man is just a mass of protoplasm in shape and from.

 

[Chronos]

Well thought out post Oscar. Kudos

The last point you made. I think the Pakistanis who support westerners are probably doing out of a sense of identitiy. They point towards the achievements of the west to re affirm their beliefs. So it is cyclical.

Oh and I don't know why Indians are criticising Pakistanis for identifyng with Arabs.


Hi,

Seemingly---the indians are telling the pakistanis to be cognizant of their identity---because without identity---a man is just a mass of protoplasm in shape and from.

The Indians who tell the Pakistanis to be aware of their identities, they have ulterior motives behind their talk.

Identity serves as an anchor in the uncertain seas of time that we humans travel. It provides context to the events we see and serve as the prism through which we perceive the events.

I personally feel Indians have no business telling Pakistanis who to identify with. it just adds to the animus both sides seem to have.

 

[RazPaK]

The pseudo-intellectual Pakistani libs are going of their way once again to speak for the general population.

The truth is that the majority of our population agrees more with the Taliban than they do with you, Ganja, or Musharraf.

The people speaking otherwise, know that If they were to spread this message post Juma namaz anywhere in Pakistan, they would be hanging from light poles.

I am not siding with any political force, but simply telling everyone the truth of the situation.

 

[Zarvan]

I stand vindicated when I said that Pakistanis overwhelmingly support Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The detractors on PDF who spew venom against Saudi Arabia are the minutest segment of Pakistani society and are usually members of a sect that shall remain unnamed in this post.

Eat your heart out KSA haters..........

Love for KSA is only because off those two greatest places on universe if you have those places you deserve respect but they need to stop following USA in many cases otherwise their leaders would become history

 

[Sugarcane]

Son,

Stop living this illusion of common man-----the common man who supported the creation of pakistan was not as an individual but acted as a HERD.

Majority of muslims of hind were totally illeterate and poor. They were given an idol to worship in the form of Jinnah---they loved and cherished him and a man that they could look upto a man who could stand tall and look the white man in the eye.

They worshipped and idolized Bhutto, Benazir, Nawaz, saudi arabia---it is all stayed the same---a blind following.

It is just like the elections in Zimbabwe---Mugabe wins by 90% votes----saudi arabia gets 93% votes----children---stop making fools of yourselves.

LOL!!! Ok Uncle

 

[Tameem]

Son,

Stop living this illusion of common man-----the common man who supported the creation of pakistan was not as an individual but acted as a HERD.

Majority of muslims of hind were totally illiterate and poor. They were given an idol to worship in the form of Jinnah---they loved and cherished him and a man that they could look upto a man who could stand tall and look the white man in the eye.

OK, If they (Muslims of Hind) were not Illiterate and Poor they would genuinely agreed to remain in Indian union with Gandhi and Nehru as their leader happily? Than there should be no discrimination on the basis of religion as well in Post 1857 period in the first place towards a certain one, No hatred and revenge flourishes amongst majority against thousand year rule by a minority, no divide and rule theory exist as Britishers would be happy in their tiny islands forever.

So basically, its not the matter of herd mentality, illiteracy or social level in people decision making but the supreme rationality towards their cause. When Britisher and Hindus deemd quite rational in putting Muslims against the wall, then why should it be opposite when Muslims reply in same collectively.

Pakistanis (Illiterat or not) from all races & sects supports Ummah (be it Saudis, Persians or Turks) bcs it seem quite rational to them and their collective cause in the subcontinent.........plain and simple.