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Pakistan's "battlefield" nukes risk nuclear war: IISS think tank

Ohhhhh Myyyyyy Gaaawwwwddd!!! :hitwall:
1 kiloton Nuke makes a mushrøom cloud a 10,000 feet high!
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This is a screenshot of A Davy Crocket (mere 20 tons) on lahore airport as seen from my home. I believe it can blow it to smithereens!
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Ohhhhh Myyyyyy Gaaawwwwddd!!! :hitwall:
The fallout is even more disturbing , :fie: although it depends upon the Air speed and direction, IIRC it can spread out of lahore if the air is blowing West and within Indian territory If it is blowing eastward!
 
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tactical <--> strategic

Why would we nuke them on our land? If we have to risk going nuclear why not their land then??

Our conventional forces can hold them on border easily.

If they invade we have no choice but to fire a Nuke even if its tactical, we should nuke other side of the border, they will retreat think how serious we are, but if not we would fire more nukes, why stop at one when the enemy will response in a bigger nuclear attack.
 
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Buying land in Mars seems to be a good idea. :)
The fallout is even more disturbing , :fie: although it depends upon the Air speed and direction, IIRC it can spread out of lahore if the air is blowing West and within Indian territory If it is blowing eastward!
 
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Brother's why you people take this as silly.... Tactical wepons are very dangerous and should not be developed... Because the main reasons are...

1. If a relatively junior officer in control of a small tactical nuclear weapon were in imminent danger of being overwhelmed by enemy forces, he could request permission to fire it and due to decentralised control of warhead authorization, his request might quickly be granted during a crisis....

2. By using tactical nuclear weapons there is a high risk of escalating the conflict until it reaches a tipping point which provokes the use of strategic nuclear weapons...

3. The tactical nuclear wepon's safety and security in pakistan... After several incidents in Pakistan in which terrorists attacked three of its military nuclear facilities, it became clear that there emerged a serious danger that they would gain access to the country’s nuclear arsenal, according to a journal published by the US Military Academy at West Point.

A study by Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University titled "Securing the Bomb 2010," found that Pakistan's stockpile "faces a greater threat from Islamic extremists seeking nuclear weapons than any other nuclear stockpile on earth.

"According to Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, a former investigator with the CIA and the US Department of Energy, there is "a greater possibility of a nuclear meltdown in Pakistan than anywhere else in the world. The region has more violent extremists than any other, the country is unstable, and its arsenal of nuclear weapons is expanding."
 
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Sure! In an armoured thrust by India, use the tactical nukes and Radiate your own Punjabi heartland.:yahoo:

We lose a couple of thousand soldiers while you lose millions to Radiation and poison your land for all times to come.

Typical Punjabi Muslim thinking. Cant see beyond your nose.



Tactical nukes will have to be used on your own land if India invades. Ready to radiate your country for killing a few thousand Indian soldiers?


If that time comes...that believe me there will be no Hindu any more in World then It will be not Hindustan.....it will be Muslimstan country. And for Pakistan that land came be filled by peoples again from around the world...there are enough muslims to fill this land.....:yahoo:
 
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There are several things that I would like to point out in the debate between Pakistani and Indian confrontation. Much attention is given to the possibility of nuclear strikes but there are several features that think tanks ignore.

Firstly, by the principle of mutually assured destruction (MAD) it can easily be seen that both Pakistan and India have the ability to to give each other the fatal blow: Indians who think India is wide enough to abosrb the full fallout of Pakistan's nuclear capability need to reed up on their science as to what a nuclear weapon does. Pakistanis who think that India will not answer to their provocation need to read up on Indain politics, the zealots over there are just as passionate about nuking you as you are of them. Thus, there is a significant number of people in power who do not want a nuclear strike.

Secondly, the scenario of one day the Pakistani PM/Army chief waking up and deciding to go on a Jihad and wipe out India by pulling the trigger out of his pocket and pushing it (couldn't resist) as portrayed by many worried Indians of the 'Islamic terror' is highly improbable. Despite how we look many of us realise that the nuclear weapon is our last resort, focus on the last.

In any scenario there will be an escalation of events and I would point out to the 2002-3 and our most recent confrontation across the border the exact same pattern repeated: India and Pakistan mobalise their armies on the border, PAF, IAF, PN, IN put on high alert and then Western capital is pulled out from India badly affecting her economy and bringing the situation to more calmer grounds. It is possible that India will focus more on being independent of Western investments but that will take time and India, unlike Pakistan, is already engaged in an economic competition with China, any war which is most likely to last not more than 20-25 days will damage the Indian economy as India knows that in a war of attrition it can beat Pakistan by taking more losses but Pakistan focus on more asymmetrical warfare in terms of air and naval strikes even if the IN and IAF are able to subdue PAF and PN the probable damage that they can cause will affect Indian economy much more. This might seem very stretched but this thinking is present see Pakistan is a challenger state and thus its main strategy is to do as much damage as possible to Indian assets.

Thirdly, the Pakistani defence thinking has totally shited: cadets from LC-122 onwards have been trained with militants as their enemy not India. This is important to note: the prestige in the Pakistani army now is to the man serving in the 'Red Zone' i.e. the Terrorist affected areas whereas prior to LC-122 it was to officer serving at the border and Kashmir most probable that the next generation of higher ups of the military that will rise will be of individuals who have not seen the Indian as their enemy but the Talibs. So the Pakistani desire to engineer low level resistance against India is going down, I am working on that article and will post it by next week.

A rather odd statement. A military force is prepared to respond to multiple threats against a country. Preparatory measures against threats are undertaken to respond against capabilities and not intent. Intention without capability is daydreaming which could be countered with counter-dreaming. Insurgencies are threats which can be diluted, controlled or eliminated and are generally temporary in nature. Threats from hostile neighbours are existential. Even if peace prevails between two countries, the need for a military force do not diminish for the defence of a country.

Therefore, stating that because there are additional training courses against terrorism are being imparted to cadets or other echelons of the army, it does not mean that the army has shifted its essence from defence against external threats. One needs to understand that external threats would always be existential with varying degrees of relevance, the insurgencies etc are temporary threats for which the military should be ready for respond and such a readiness or preparation may not be taken as a shift in threat parameters and its assessment.
 
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^^ I think a proper Counter terrorism force should be made, army already has a very well defined role!
 
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Haven't we discussed this countless time already?

if Pakistan doesn't have Delivery option beyond tactical nukes Pakistan is screwed to kingdom come.
Im sure there at least one Pakistani that sees the sheer stupidity of mounting a Nuke on an almost artillery like BM?How does it Even stop India from Invading? I don't get it.

We can easily contain pockets of NAsir Formations and trickle in through cordoned of safe zones..a 100 to 70km radius is very low.(provided you have no tactical challenge provided to u by ur adversary).We have the numbers,Experience and resources to pull this off easily.
Well be coming By land Air and sea one cannot be so stupid to think Nasir can answer all that.

And to me Pakistan seems overly reliant and counting on India being the wiser of the two. (which is so far-gone pfft)

The only strategic advantage(not tactical) i can contemplate, is that Pakistan brings the worlds focus on the conflict and forces a resolution the moment a nuke goes off.




But as i have said many times before Attritonal warfare is where it is at nowadays.
 
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Due to big enemy neighbor, we have to work more on nukes to gain peace or India won't leave a chance of attacking Pakistan.
 
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Let me tell you guys a disturbing info. All the nuclear assets of Pakistan are in Punjab mostly along river indus yet nuclear waste is dumped in khyber pakhtunkhwa. Pashtuns of districts along river indus have highest rates of cancers for last few decades, just check out shaukat khanam cancer hospital, 60% patients are pashtuns.

Nukes of Pakistan are not threat to India but to its own people, specially to people of FATA. If Taliban dragged this war for decades, crazy fauji generals might decide to nuke FATA. They already have no shame in dropping huge bombs on villages of tribal areas, nuking it would make sense.
 
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