Pakistan's "battlefield" nukes risk nuclear war: IISS think tank

[Secur]

@Secur I have heard that we both countries don't exactly have a MAD stockpile, the MAX collective yeild is said to be just a Few Megatons..
Any truth in it?

Unless of course the objective is to nuke each and every inch of the opponent's land , no . Actually , it depends on your interpretation of ' Mutually Assured Destruction ' . What is it ? Is the objective to destroy cities , towns and important centers and hubs , reduce the infrastructure to a rubble , kill millions of people and leave the rest of others in a state that they would wish to be dead even if they survive the initial phase and inflict what I call ' totally unacceptable damage ; ? If yes , then both countries have that capability . Is the objective to cease the existence the other country/state/republic ? Yes again . Nuking every darn part of the land is neither possible nor of any use and doesn't make no difference , even the Americans and Russians cant do that to each other . When discussing such things , one needs only to remember that the effects of a thermonuclear/nuclear bomb aren't confined to the xx mile radius and the ground zero . There are effects that I do not even want to think of .

 

[vk1111]

I think India can destroy Pakistan,though india will be badly wounded.

 

[Secur]

Let me tell you guys a disturbing info. All the nuclear assets of Pakistan are in Punjab mostly along river indus yet nuclear waste is dumped in khyber pakhtunkhwa.

I always ask for a source .

 

[Dillinger]

Thats the keyword i guess
not deployed
@Pak-one any nuclear waste dumped in Indus would effect the whole of Punjab and Sindh too

PAD and AAD has already reached project completion with over a dozen successful intercepts. Deployment will not occur though till the Green pine derived system is replaced. What is in the tube atm is a replacement for the PAD to increase the engagement envelope to an altitude of 150Km.

It will take a better part of this decade to provide a prototype for the SWLRTR. So yes deployment is not possible at the moment unless they wish to protect a very specific target and are willing to cater to the C2 and C4I loads this will generate on the IACCS.

The idea of complete protection is false.

Theater level BMD can already be insured by the existing system though.

 

[Alpha1]

I think India can destroy Pakistan,though india will be badly wounded.

welcome to PDF
What is your definition of Destroyed?
Is it the state or point of no return?

 

[vk1111]

welcome to PDF
What is your definition of Destroyed?
Is it the state or point of no return?

Point of no return/conquered.

 

[Alpha1]

Point of no return/conquered.

I think both countries can do that to eachother incase of nuclear exchange!!

 

[ares]

After that , we get the ' Genesis ' device from Fallout 3 and create life from nothing in the subcontinent and rule it ever after . Does it go like that ?



Correct something there , you have thrice thought of invading Pakistan , mobilized forces twice and backed down after the nuclear threat . Read up on Op.Brasstack and the remarks of the Indian General on what it was for . So , the deterrence is there and as long as it is there , everyone will think ten times before trying to invade anyone . Empty rhetoric and chest thumping is of no use .

How many time did you think, before starting a Kargil war, a war fought under a nuclear overhang, it was a war which could have easily gone nuclear, in fact would have been ..as your were already preparing your nuclear delivery systems.

No one here says, the war has to be initiated by India..it could be Pakistani army's adventurism which start it..what would you do in that case..still launch TNWs?

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

So Pakistan developed a delivery system for nothing and sources talking abt Paks TNM are all faking it?just 1 thing i dnt know... why would they develop NASR when they already have KRL-122 MLRS having similiar range (although NASRs guidance etc is much more advanced)?

Firstly, these are extremely complex weapons (particularly sub-kiloton mini-nukes, because of the precision required in engineering) and are difficult and expensive to manufacture and support technically. Inducting them into service even in small numbers would considerably raise the budget of the strategic forces.

Secondly, the command and control of TNWs needs to be decentralised at some point during war to enable their timely employment. Extremely tight control would make their possession redundant and degrade their deterrence value. Decentralised control would run the risk of their premature and even unauthorised use – Kissinger’s ‘mad major syndrome’.

Thirdly, since the launchers must move frequently to avoid being targeted, dispersed storage and frequent transportation of TNWs under field conditions, increases the risk of accidents. Lastly, the employment of conventional artillery and air-to-ground precision weapons by the enemy may damage or destroy stored nuclear warheads.


Here is what it takes to have them in your arsenal.. Pakistan does not have Tactical Nuclear weapons ready to be used in Battle field right now.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Firstly, these are extremely complex weapons (particularly sub-kiloton mini-nukes, because of the precision required in engineering) and are difficult and expensive to manufacture and support technically. Inducting them into service even in small numbers would considerably raise the budget of the strategic forces.

Secondly, the command and control of TNWs needs to be decentralised at some point during war to enable their timely employment. Extremely tight control would make their possession redundant and degrade their deterrence value. Decentralised control would run the risk of their premature and even unauthorised use – Kissinger’s ‘mad major syndrome’.

Thirdly, since the launchers must move frequently to avoid being targeted, dispersed storage and frequent transportation of TNWs under field conditions, increases the risk of accidents. Lastly, the employment of conventional artillery and air-to-ground precision weapons by the enemy may damage or destroy stored nuclear warheads.

Im sure the strategic planning division knows much more than armchair generals and what needs to be done!

Here is what it takes to have them in your arsenal.. Pakistan does not have Tactical Nuclear weapons ready to be used in Battle field right now.

Keep believing tht... because many in your country believe tht we do have TMNs .. and so does the world... thts the reason Nasr was created!

 

[Rahil khan]

I think India can destroy Pakistan,though india will be badly wounded.

Perhaps no where near you can imagine the severity of your possible wounds. Radiating your key cities for centuries to come, while nuking all over Pakistan, is this what your imagination is all about??? That's what i call hysterical obsession, evil ideas, to wipe out humanity from the surface of the sub continent. Stop thinking like a schizophrenic, be sensible.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Im sure the strategic planning division knows much more than armchair generals and what needs to be done!

Exactly... holds good for people who want a tactical nuclear war every morning.

Keep believing tht... because many in your country believe that we do have TMNs .. and so does the world... thts the reason Nasr was created!

Then many in my country must have created a counter strategy to that as well... and India strategy is simple "Use One and get Piled on by a truckload".

 

[chauvunist]

I always ask for a source .

Strategic force commander told him in person about nuclear sites and dumping locations...

 

[araz]

the only barbarians are the Islamic armies right from mohamads time to Pakistan army now

Firstly there is no need to bring the past and call names to people who are revered by us.This behoves a singular oack of insight into history. My friend you do wear some wierdly coloured glasses.
War in the modern context is now a name of winning at all costs. The killing of masses of people whether they ve yours or ours has sadly become irrelevant. Talk to your army people and see how civil they are when it comes to war. If you dont like it make peace and settle the Kashmir dispute in an amicable way, stop stealing our water and be just. Let us see how far you get with this idea in India. However dont blame me for any chanakya DNA that gets drilled into you. By the way the next sly remark that you make against our Prophet whom you have quoted without knowledge wi secure your permanent ejection from this forum. So be careful my friend!!! Be very very CAREFUL.
Araz

 

[Alpha1]

Strategic force commander told him in person about nuclear sites and dumping locations...

pak-one always makes claims like this,
And his source is:

"Someone living there told me So and So"
or
Family member of the victim told me so and so