Pakistani Politics and the Kashmir (Lost) Cause

[ito]

Only fear of Pakistan is stopping India from removing article 370. And the fact that Kashmiris do not want anything to do with Indians, but don't mind budget provided by Delhi.

India fearing pakistan...for what?

is the revolt in Kashmir against Pakistan or against india....thats the question you should be asking

there is no revolt. there are some anti national elements in valley as there are some anti national elements in baluchistan

 

[Bang Galore]

is the revolt in Kashmir against Pakistan or against india....thats the question you should be asking

We will be asking a lot of questions of ourselves but you won't be getting the answers you want.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

China came late in the picture after Pakistan illegally gifted a part of Kashmir(Aksai Chin) to China(Pakistanis need to ask why didnt they ask for peoples wishes this time,lol).

But i was talking about the time just after the conflict.According to U.N. resolutions Pakistan must have withdrawn all its forces from Azad Kashmir,after that India would have deployed minimom forces required to maintain peace in all Kashmir(i.e. IOK and Azad Kashmir both) and then a referendum would have taken place under the supervision of these forces.
But as expected Pakistan failed to meet the above criterias and referendum didnt took place.
Now after so many years we dont have any moral obligations to hold referundum especially after the fact that Pakistan has actively supported Terrorists to harm India

Pakistan never gifted Aksai Chin, Pakistan never had Aksai Chin to begin with, in fact Ayub Khan saw this coming & made India an offer of joint defense Aksai Chin is a freaking 38,000 sq km piece of real state ! Ayub's offer was straight save 38, 000 sq km & accede us just 10, 000 sq km in the valley & you still get to keep a freaking 28,000 sq km of territory ! pak @ that time had all the quality weapons from the west, one could ask for, it was a member seato & cento, stationing a few state of the Art weapons from America & the Mid-East in Aksai Chin especially against China was quite an easy task & he had the assurances as well ,but India being the rigid type that it was Refused ! after the debacle that India had suffered China entered in to Shsakham valley & gave two choices to us which was loose it like India with a beating or give it to us respectfully, any sane person would have taken the later, Aksai Chin was with India, till it lost it to china ,from 1959 to 1962 period when, China started claiming that Area & started to encroach it , India reacted to it & send its forces to an offensive to drive the PLA out which was known as the forward policy , & China went ferocious & retaliated with a full fledged invasion of Aksai Chin & Northeast India & successfully captured Aksai Chin & Arunachal Pradesh & parts of Assam , India went on an panic mode , China cultivated a brilliant strategy of a two pronged successful invasion & announced a unilateral cease fire & a retreat offer from the north east India only, with China getting Aksai Chin & a few small parts of utarkhand & himachal ,it was a loose one or both situation, with India choosing to loose one (Aksai Chin)

 

[Kabira]

Fear of pakistan?

Article 370 exists because some kashmiris want it and we are building a consensus to remove it.

Article 370 exist to protect integrity of IoK before inevitable merge with Pakistan. There will never be any consensus because majority of Kashmiris do not want it. If hindus in IoK want to merge with India then Chenab formula is best one.

 

[ito]

Article 370 exist to protect integrity of IoK before inevitable merge with Pakistan. There will never be any consensus because majority of Kashmiris do not want it. If hindus in IoK want to merge with India then Chenab formula is best one.

the best solution is LOC = IB with giving kashmiries on both sides the option to migrate to the side they like.

 

[suresh1773]

Kashmiri Pundits? If they are hindus, why has India failed to protect them?

Easier said then done,it is very difficult to provide security,protection round the clock (24*365) for any individual or community. What about the regular attacks directed towards Shias,Ahmediyas every now & then.

Why has Pakistan failed to protect them

 

[Capt.Popeye]

according to who is it a "lost cause"

the indians (who dont matter) or Kashmiris? to the latter it is never a lost cause

LoC however will always be a flash point until the issue is resolved...what india calls "terrorism" in Kashmir will also continue as well

Just as the recurrent phenomena of "boom-boom" and all that kinda thing will continue in paksitan.
Is it that paksitan has a large enough population that more people can keep getting killed?

 

[Meengla]

This thread shouldn't be about the India vs Pak POV over Kashmir; PDF is full of those banters.

Dr. Qazi's rather depressing analysis is asking Pakistan to use the fig-leaf of UN resolution to try to get whatever Pakistan gets before things get even worse for Pakistan. What was possible in 2000's (Musharraf era 'interim agreement') is looking even more remote because Pakistan losing more bargaining chips. He, like me, doesn't see political stability returning to Pakistan. I have spent considerable time over last few weeks to express my own views about the marches in Islamabad and I don't want to start a blame-game about that in this thread.

 

[ito]

This thread shouldn't be about the India vs Pak POV over Kashmir; PDF is full of those banters.

Dr. Qazi's rather depressing analysis is asking Pakistan to use the fig-leaf of UN resolution to try to get whatever Pakistan gets before things get even worse for Pakistan. What was possible in 2000's (Musharraf era 'interim agreement') is looking even more remote because Pakistan losing more bargaining chips. He, like me, doesn't see political stability returning to Pakistan. I have spent considerable time over last few weeks to express my own views about the marches in Islamabad and I don't want to start a blame-game about that in this thread.

any referendum in kashmir will have far more serious repercussion on indian union. it is not only pakistan loosing bargaining chips,but also the question of stake indian union, hence it is too much for india to even think on referendum lines

 

[narcon]

"K" word is deadly for Pakistan which has dwindled all its foreign policy and resources on it since six decades and has achieved nothing. While India is emerging as a giant vs Pakistan, Pakistan is a minnow who is busy thinking how to pay back hefty loans to WB/IMF with hefty interests.

 

[Kabira]

the best solution is LOC = IB with giving kashmiries on both sides the option to migrate to the side they like.

Best solution for India for sure. We on the other hand are happy with status quo unless integrity of IoK is compromised with fake bhaiya pundits settled in IoK.

"K" word is deadly for Pakistan which has dwindled all its foreign policy and resources on it since six decades and has achieved nothing. While India is emerging as a giant vs Pakistan, Pakistan is a minnow who is busy thinking how to pay back hefty loans to WB/IMF with hefty interests.

You are one retarded hindu, genius Bharat is 7 times bigger in population. We already know this, yet still show you middle finger.

 

[narcon]

Best solution for India for sure. We on the other hand are happy with status quo unless integrity of IoK is compromised with fake bhaiya pundits settled in IoK.



You are one retarded hindu, genius Bharat is 7 times bigger in population. We already know this, yet still show you middle finger.

13 billion FOREX vs 300 billion Indian FOREX?
IMPEX/TRADE 20 times greater?

Middle finger to whom?
To IMF/WB ?
Lol

 

[Kabira]

13 billion FOREX vs 300 billion Indian FOREX?
IMPEX/TRADE 20 times greater?

Middle finger to whom?
To IMF/WB ?
Lol

Again absolute numbers, here is more interesting number. 10% of delhi population defecate openly vs 0% in Islamabad.

 

[narcon]

Again absolute numbers, here is more interesting number. 10% of delhi population defecate openly vs 0% in Islamabad.

Islamabad is a new city, build lavishly by borrowing from IMF/WB, now start paying back your loans...
BTW.
Rupee had a same value at the partition.
And now look at your Rupee and the Baniya Rupee.
Time to cry?
Lol

 

[Kabira]

Islamabad is a new city, build lavishly by borrowing from IMF/WB, now start paying back your loans...
BTW.
Rupee had a same value at the partition.
And now look at your Rupee and the Baniya Rupee.
Time to cry?
Lol

0% in Lahore and 12% in mumbai defecate openly. Time to shit in open air toilet?