Pakistani Politics and the Kashmir (Lost) Cause

[narcon]

0% in Lahore and 12% in mumbai defecate openly. Time to shit in open air toilet?

Lol

I have not mentioned the Load shedding factor of 12 hours a day as yet...

 

[ito]

Best solution for India for sure. We on the other hand are happy with status quo unless integrity of IoK is compromised with fake bhaiya pundits settled in IoK.



You are one retarded hindu, genius Bharat is 7 times bigger in population. We already know this, yet still show you middle finger.

india too is happy with status quo...and don't bother if india has to settle bhaiya in IoK..it will certainly not announce it. it will be done discreetly.

 

[Kabira]

india too is happy with status quo...and don't bother if india has to settle bhaiya in IoK..it will certainly not announce it. it will be done discreetly.

Nothing can be done discreetly, i doubt anyone would be allowed to settle to change integrity of IoK. Most of pundits moved to Jammu anyway, so anyone coming from India will not be allowed to settle anywhere.

 

[VCheng]

This thread shouldn't be about the India vs Pak POV over Kashmir; PDF is full of those banters.

Dr. Qazi's rather depressing analysis is asking Pakistan to use the fig-leaf of UN resolution to try to get whatever Pakistan gets before things get even worse for Pakistan. What was possible in 2000's (Musharraf era 'interim agreement') is looking even more remote because Pakistan losing more bargaining chips. He, like me, doesn't see political stability returning to Pakistan. I have spent considerable time over last few weeks to express my own views about the marches in Islamabad and I don't want to start a blame-game about that in this thread.

Don't you think that India cannot see that too? It can afford to wait it out as things deteriorate within Pakistan.

 

[Bang Galore]

Don't you think that India cannot see that too? It can afford to wait it out as things deteriorate within Pakistan.

What I have been saying all along. Time favours India, not Pakistan. Staus quo is good.

 

[ni8mare]

Don't you think that India cannot see that too? It can afford to wait it out as things deteriorate within Pakistan.

... time favors us if you see from 1990 to present..

 

[narcon]

I fail to understand one crucial factor. That being, Pakistan's own sovereignty is being violated times and again, and it has audacity to meddle in Kashmir, while doing nothing to protect its sovereignty....

https://twitter.com/x/status/514803845877096449

 

[ito]

Nothing can be done discreetly, i doubt anyone would be allowed to settle to change integrity of IoK. Most of pundits moved to Jammu anyway, so anyone coming from India will not be allowed to settle anywhere.

that is good that you pakistanis have faith in indians

 

[Meengla]

Don't you think that India cannot see that too? It can afford to wait it out as things deteriorate within Pakistan.

Of course India can. But, so long as the 'demographic engineering' as mentioned by Mr. Qazi in OP is not done, Pakistan remains in the picture.
At any rate, Pakistan cannot afford to have a deteriorating political environment, which causes instability, which causes economy losses AND try to be too ambitious wrt to Kashmir at the same time. Musharraf started to swallow the bitter pill. Pakistan needs to get the house in order fast--the 'unspeakable politics' per Dr. Qazi lest not only the house burns down but Pakistan is reduced to looking at Kashmir from afar.

 

[VCheng]

Of course India can. But, so long as the 'demographic engineering' as mentioned by Mr. Qazi in OP is not done, Pakistan remains in the picture.
At any rate, Pakistan cannot afford to have a deteriorating political environment, which causes instability, which causes economy losses AND try to be too ambitious wrt to Kashmir at the same time. Musharraf started to swallow the bitter pill. Pakistan needs to get the house in order fast--the 'unspeakable politics' per Dr. Qazi lest not only the house burns down but Pakistan is reduced to looking at Kashmir from afar.

Actually, the Pakistani leadership already knows that all of Kashmir will never be a part of Pakistan, but to keep raising that hope is very useful to keep the public suitably motivated, hence much of what you see is rhetoric for domestic consumption only.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

This thread shouldn't be about the India vs Pak POV over Kashmir; PDF is full of those banters.

Dr. Qazi's rather depressing analysis is asking Pakistan to use the fig-leaf of UN resolution to try to get whatever Pakistan gets before things get even worse for Pakistan. What was possible in 2000's (Musharraf era 'interim agreement') is looking even more remote because Pakistan losing more bargaining chips. He, like me, doesn't see political stability returning to Pakistan. I have spent considerable time over last few weeks to express my own views about the marches in Islamabad and I don't want to start a blame-game about that in this thread.

totally agree with you, the Kargil misadventure ruthlessly sabotaged any chance for a strong bargain for us, the best opportunity for a good bargain was in Lahore during Vajpayee's visit but that chance was killed in the cold heights of Kargil, & bitter pill from history of our side ,really compels me to agree more & more with Christina fair & Hussein haqqanis point of view , what we need to realise is that our option has already been reduced significantly in the negotiating table vis-à-vis India , & the sooner we realise we this the better , because once Iran & the U.S normalises their relations, which looks quite inevitable & we will loose whatever advantage we could offer from a strategic location point of view

 

[Meengla]

totally agree with you, the Kargil misadventure ruthlessly sabotaged any chance for a strong bargain for us, the best opportunity for a good bargain was in Lahore during Vajpayee's visit but that chance was killed in the cold heights of Kargil, & bitter pill from history of our side ,really compels me to agree more & more with Christina fair & Hussein haqqanis point of view ,

I remember when Benazir became the PM first time after the 1988 elections. The then Indian PM Rajiv Gandhi came to Pakistan for a visit, breaking years of interruptions from the Indian side. But the then Establishment President Ishaq Khan called India a regional bully. That was uncalled for at the time of the visit where perhaps a 'reset' was being sought. In Benazir-Rajiv joint press conference in ISB she was asked to clarify Ishaq's statement to which she could only embarrassingly say: "I haven't seen that statement.'