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Pakistan protests India glacier tourism plan

Read Marathaman's posted article on the previous page. There were quite a few Indian sponsored expeditions and almost all of them without a shadow of doubt were facilitated by the Indian Army (assuming otherwise is betraying reality). News about most never came out thus no official reaction from Pakistan.

Who is talking about killing westerners? And who says Pakistan has to shoot at westerners or tourists?....I am sure lobbing a few mortar rounds without hitting anything (which is the usual case anyways on the glacier) would do the trick if Pakistan really wanted to do something drastic here.

In the Siachen, it is so obvious that all expeditions would be facilitated by the Indian Army. It continues to be a theatre of military operations, even if firing is not taking face. It is thus all the more obvious that people can't just mill about at will.

The issue of killing foreigners came into the discussion since some (if you read the posts) were advocating using of Turkish howitzers and things like that. If one uses howitzers, it is axiomatic that the only use of howitzers would be for firing.
 
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Siachen Glacier / Operation Meghdoot

Siachen Glacier / Operation Meghdoot
The Siachen Glacier has no significant strategic value. Since 1984, the "snow-warriors" of India and Pakistan have been locked in supremacy for the control of Siachen glacier. Its inhospitable terrain has taken heavy toll of men and resources on both sides. The world's highest battlefield, for over a decade India and Pakistan have fought at altitudes of over 22,000 feet in minus 60ºC temperatures. Siachen is the world's largest non-polar glacier, and thus is sometimes referred to as the third pole. It is 78 km long and situated at an altitude of 5,400 meters above sea level. The Siachen glacier is the great Himalayan watershed that demarcates central Asia from the Indian sub-continent, and that separates Pakistan from China in this region.

The roots of the conflict over Siachen (the place of roses) lie in the non-demarcations on the western side on the map beyond NJ9842. The 1949 Karachi agreement and the 1972 Simla agreement presumed that it was not feasible for human habitation to survive north of NJ9842. Piror to 1984 neither India nor Pakistan had any permanent presence in the area

In the 1970s and early 1980s Pakistan permitted several mountaineering expeditions to climb high peaks on this glacier. This was to reinforce their claim on the area as these expeditions arrived on the glacier with a permit obtained from the Government of Pakistan. Operation Meghdoot [named after the divine cloud messenger in a Sanskrit play] was launched on 13 April 1984 when the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force went into the Glacier. Pakistan quickly responded with troop deployments.

The 78 km long Siachen glacier lies between the Saltoro ridge line to the west and the main Karakoram range to the east. The Saltoro ridge originates from the Sia Kangri in the Karakoram range and the altitudes range from 18,000 to 24,000 ft. The major passes on this ridge are Sia La at 20,000 ft and Bila Fond La at 19,000 ft.

The Indian Army controls the heights, holding on to the tactical advantage of high ground. The Pakistanis cannot get up to the glacier, while the Indians cannot come down. Presently India holds two-thirds of glacier and commands two of the three passes. Pakistan controls Gyong La pass that overlooks the Shyok and Nubra river Valley and India's access to Leh district. The battle zone comprised an inverted triangle resting on NJ 9842 with Indira Col and the Karakoram Pass as the other two extremities.

Estimates of the current troop deployments vary. One estimate suggests that Both sides deploy about 3,000 soldiers, while another reports that a total of some 10,000 troops are deployed on each side of the Line of Actual Control. According to a third estimate Pakistan maintains three battalions on the glacier, while India has seven battalions defending Siachen.

The Pakistanis can resupply most of their posts by road and pack mule. At their forward positions, some as high as 21,000 feet, the Indians must rely on helicopters.

On average, one Pakistani soldier is killed every fourth day, while one Indian soldier is killed every other day. Over 1,300 Pakistani soldiers have died on Siachen between 1984 and 1999. According to Indian estimates, this operation had cost India over Rs. 50 billion and almost 2,000 personnel casualties till 1997. Almost all of the casualties on both sides have been due to extreme weather conditions.
 
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TIMEasia Magazine: War at the Top of the World

Read the full story. Its got tales of both Pakistani and Indian bravery by an independant source. Posting a small portion below.

Then, in 1977, an Indian colonel named Narinder (Bull) Kumar was leafing through a mountaineering magazine when he spotted an article on international expeditions venturing onto the glacier from the Pakistani side. Kumar persuaded his superiors to allow him to lead a 70-man team of climbers and porters to the glacier. They returned in 1981, climbed several peaks and walked the length of Siachen. In an interview with Outside magazine in 2003, Kumar described the glacier as "like a great white snake ... going, going, going. I have never seen anything so white and so wide."

Bull's secret trek was spotted by Pakistan. On patrol, some Pakistani soldiers found a crumpled packet of "Gold Flake" cigarettes—an Indian brand—and their suspicions were raised, according to a senior Pakistani government official. Soon, the Indian expedition on Siachen was shadowed by the Pakistanis. At army headquarters in Rawalpindi, Pakistani generals decided they had better stake a claim to Siachen before India did. Islamabad then committed an intelligence blunder, according to a now retired Pakistani army colonel. "They ordered Arctic-weather gear from a London outfitters who also supplied the Indians," says the colonel. "Once the Indians got wind of it, they ordered 300 outfits—twice as many as we had—and rushed their men up to Siachen." When the Pakistanis hiked up to the glacier in 1984, they found that a 300-man Indian battalion was already there, dug into the highest mountaintops. The Indians control two of Siachen's three passes, and two-thirds of the glacier. Says Lieut. Colonel Abid Nadeem, Pakistani commander at Gyong, which at 4,266 m is the highest battalion headquarters in the world: "The Indians were climbing heights. And we were climbing heights. Then the shooting started. And so the war began."

Battles for these nameless peaks often involved surreal acts of heroism and self-sacrifice. In April 1989, for example, the Pakistanis decided to try to dislodge an Indian squad from a saddle between two peaks known as the Chumik Pass before reinforcements arrived. First, a platoon of Pakistanis, roped together, tried scaling a 600-m cliff to reach the Indian post, but they were wiped out by an avalanche. Time was running out; Indian reinforcements were approaching. So a Pakistani lieutenant, Naveed Khan Qureshi, 27, with no mountain-warfare training, volunteered for a crazy mission. The plan was for Qureshi to be dangled from a tiny helicopter by a rope and then dropped on top of the peak, above the Indians. Slapped by high winds, the helicopter stalled and went into a dive. Qureshi was still underneath it, swinging to and fro. "I was sure that he was going to get caught in the tail rotor blades," says the pilot, Raheel Hafeez Sehgal, now a colonel. Sehgal pulled the chopper out of its stall and headed for a lower ridge. Qureshi was cut loose—and fell straight into a crevasse. Miraculously, he survived, but was trapped there until a second soldier was airlifted in. The two men were stranded in a blizzard for two days until the weather cleared long enough for Sehgal to land four more troops and supplies. Trouble was, their position was 150 m below the Indian outpost instead of above it. Lashed together by ropes, the six men advanced up the mountain, and eventually overran the Indians' bunker. From that vantage point, the Pakistanis began to pound a lower Indian base on the glacier with mortars and rockets. A month later, the two countries realized the madness of trying to slug it out, and agreed to demilitarize the sector
 
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Pre emptive strikes prior to arrival of the tourists is not an option. It be a PR disaster and would portray us as agressor.

But Neo agression is shown by india here when they decided to open up a disputed area for expedition. How would we be the agressor then, since we only responded to it, if all else fails (talks)
 
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But Neo agression is shown by india here when they decided to open up a disputed area for expedition. How would we be the agressor then, since we only responded to it, if all else fails (talks)

True, the region is disputed and India has opened it up to foreign expeditions! It proves that India does not want to solve any dispute! This is the same attitude India is displaying towards Kashmir! It only proves that India is not committed to the peace process and to solving the old disputes between us! India just keep stretching the issue and bending it for their personal satisfaction but they never want to reach any deal!

The area is still disputed and they are opening it to tourism totally ignoring our claims!!! This proves that India is not serious about the peace process!
 
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I am still amazed that after 37 years in 1984, indian general woke up and thought that all area ahead of NJ9842 is india's and they started to deploy thier forces to secure thier "HOME LAND" and bound pakistan to stop them. It is a historical true that Indians are still on thier initially occupied position. i think india after 1962 tasteful deafeat by china planned this adventure and Col kumar started expiditions in this area knwoing that its a no man land however, there are proof that PA used to monitor this area by special patrol teams who identfied the garbage left by kumar's expidition. there was no such patrol done by Indians at all. I read in new paper that it was a term of shimla agreement 1971 that no one would cross the LOC.
 
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I am still amazed that after 37 years in 1984, indian general woke up and thought that all area ahead of NJ9842 is india's and they started to deploy thier forces to secure thier "HOME LAND" and bound pakistan to stop them. It is a historical true that Indians are still on thier initially occupied position. i think india after 1962 tasteful deafeat by china planned this adventure and Col kumar started expiditions in this area knwoing that its a no man land however, there are proof that PA used to monitor this area by special patrol teams who identfied the garbage left by kumar's expidition. there was no such patrol done by Indians at all. I read in new paper that it was a term of shimla agreement 1971 that no one would cross the LOC.

Breaking Agreements is India's Specialty, They Broke Simla & now Sindh Tass, etc.etc.


Regards
Wilco
 
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But Neo agression is shown by india here when they decided to open up a disputed area for expedition. How would we be the agressor then, since we only responded to it, if all else fails (talks)

As far as India is concerned the Aksai Chin and Pak Occpd kashmir are disputed areas not J&K. So we do things from our view point not from yours.

Why dont you return the favour by opening up pAk Occpd Kashmir for tourists?
 
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But Neo agression is shown by india here when they decided to open up a disputed area for expedition. How would we be the agressor then, since we only responded to it, if all else fails (talks)

Yeh Right, We are not the ones who started it, i think thats y Pakistan has told the world openly that if any thing happens bcoz of this matter, it will be bcoz of India not Pakistan.

Regards
Wilco
 
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As far as India is concerned the Aksai Chin and Pak Occpd kashmir are disputed areas not J&K. So we do things from our view point not from yours.

Why dont you return the favour by opening up pAk Occpd Kashmir for tourists?

Yeh Right As far as India is concerned they do thing their way, They dont even care of any agreement, Humanrights, Intetnational Relations, Peace, Effect of world peace , but they just think this is good for OK DO IT. Excelent.


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Wilco :pakistan:
 
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The area is still disputed and they are opening it to tourism totally ignoring our claims!!! This proves that India is not serious about the peace process!

India has opened Kashmir to tourists or many years, its flourishing over there, people are making money. By opening Sicahin we would get more tourists and help the kashmiris make more money.

Why is that Pakistan wasnt harping much about Kashmir tourism but is too itchy with Siachin tourism?
 
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Why is that Pakistan wasnt harping much about Kashmir tourism but is too itchy with Siachin tourism?
We opened our Side & you opened your side of Kashmir for tourists, it was by the both sides, nut in case of Siachin you guys opened it up not we.

Regards
Wilco :pakistan:
 
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Breaking Agreements is India's Specialty, They Broke Simla & now Sindh Tass, etc.etc.

There was no agreement which said that tourism is not allowed.

What are the agreements that India has broken? How?

From South Asian Journal:

The Dispute over 'Mountain Rose'

Siachen is the world's highest battlefield with gunfire being exchanged at 16,000 to 20,000 feet above sea level. Nine out of ten deaths on the Siachen are due to climate with only one being combat-related. It is no wonder then that the Siachen dispute between India and Pakistan is described as one of the most futile and wasteful in the world both in material and human terms.

The defence secretaries of India and Pakistan have met eight times to discuss the Siachen dispute in an attempt to resolve it -- their last meeting being in August 2004. Twice the two sides came close to settling the dispute but the political climate was perhaps not right to reach a settlement. The solutions proposed include demilitarisation of the glacier and of creating a 'Zone of Disengagement'. However, mutual lack of trust has prevented a resolution of the dispute.

Siachen invokes strong passions in both India and Pakistan. It is the stuff of legends. It was for the brand rub-off offered by it that former Defence Minister of India George Fernandez visited the Glacier often on New Year's Eve or Christmas. For most Indians Siachen, symbolises unparalleled gallantry, bravery and a commitment to protect national interest. This was why the nation was shocked to know that last year some army officers had fabricated video evidence of fake encounters with Pakistani soldiers in the Siachen area to secure gallantry awards.

Pakistan's President General Pervez Musharraf's 'Siachen consciousness' is also very high. In September, 1987, as brigade commander of the Special Services Group, he was responsible for leading an attack on an Indian position at Bilafond La, one of the two main passes on the Soltoro ridge (the other being Sia La - 'La' means a mountain pass) to the Siachen Glacier from Pakistan-administered Kashmir. His forces had to retreat. Having also served as Pakistan's Commander of Northern Areas, he knows the Siachen dispute intimately.

Although the boundary dispute between India and Pakistan in this region is referred to as the Siachen dispute, the Siachen Glacier is in fact under Indian control. There is no battle raging on the glacier itself. Indian soldiers sit on the Soltoro ridge to the west of the Siachen Glacier (see map at end of article). Between the Pakistani forces and the Glacier, therefore, there are high mountain peaks controlled by India.

The Siachen Glacier flows in the valley formed by the Soltoro ridge to its west and the Eastern Karakorams. It is about 72 km long from its highest point at Indira Col to its snout. It gets its name from the wild mountain roses that grow near its snout. Siachen is the source of the Nubra River that meets the Shyok River, originating from the Eastern Karakorams, at Thois. Later, it feeds into the Indus.

Militarily, the Siachen Glacier can be divided into three parts. The Northern Glacier is the most difficult, containing the highest peaks. The Central part is where the glacier is broadest -- up to 20 km wide and this is where India has its Kumar Post from where expeditions are launched to the various Soltoro peaks. The Southern Glacier is narrow -- only four to five km wide. Helicopters maintain the entire Northern and Central Glacier while ponies and porters supply the Southern Glacier. There are stretches of a fair-weather road that also services the glacier.

The Indian army has taken 105 mm field guns to the glacier to support the peaks. They had to be knocked down for transport and reassembled. They are deployed at the lower end of the Northern glacier and in the Southern glacier. The Base Camp has 130 mm and the Bofors 155 mm guns. The difficulty in using field guns on the glacier arises from shifting ice which moves by about two inches a day in winters and 10 to 20 feet a day in summer. Registering a target and using the calculations to shoot after even a couple of days will not guarantee a hit because of shifting gun positions. At present three battalions of the Indian army are deployed in the Siachen region -- one each in the northern, central and southern parts of the glacier. At any point of time three battalions are deployed, three are in training and three awaiting orders. The soldiers manning the observation posts on the Soltoro and the camps have to be relieved every 30 days to three months.

The estimates of the costs of hostilities on Siachen vary. Lt. General (Retd) V. R. Raghavan in his definitive work 'Siachen - Conflict without end' says: 'No one has an accurate assessment, but everyone has a figure to quote and a point to make.' Without endorsing any estimate, he quotes cost figures ranging from US $ 1.2 million per day for both India and Pakistan; US$ 1.94 million a day for India alone; and Rs. 2.5 crore to Rs. 6.5 crore for India alone to US$ 18.5 million a day for Pakistan and thirty times that for India. Pakistan's former foreign secretary Shaharyar Khan once said that the cost of a roti (bread) for a Pakistani soldier posted in that region is more than Rs. 450. George Fernandes told the Indian Parliament that Siachen costs the exchequer Rs. three crore per day.

The Siachen dispute originated because the boundary in Jammu & Kashmir, after the Karachi Agreement of 1949, was not fully demarcated. A ceasefire line (CFL) on the map ended at a grid point with co-ordinates NJ-9842 on the Soltoro ridge. This was near the northern-most point where troops were deployed when the fighting ended in 1948. Although the CFL subsequently changed into the Line of Control (LoC) after the Simla Agreement of 1972, its end points remained the same.

The descriptive explanation of the boundary beyond NJ-9842 -- 'thence North to the Glaciers' -- has created confusion. India believes that this means that the boundary would go north through the nearest watershed, the Soltoro ridge. Pakistan draws a straight line from NJ-9842 going northeast to the Karakoram pass. The former interpretation gives the control of the Glacier to India, the latter, to Pakistan.

In 1978, the Indian army became aware of maps showing the LoC as a straight line extended from NJ-9842 to the Karakoram pass appearing in publications abroad. The same year an Indian army mountaineering expedition led by Colonel N. Kumar, brought back evidence of foreign mountaineering expeditions being launched into the Siachen area from Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

Kumar's expedition also did not go unnoticed. Both sides were convinced that the other was trying to establish a military presence in the area. New Delhi and Islamabad began exchanging protest notes asking the other to desist from entering its territory. It was then that India realised that Pakistan was behind the extension of NJ-9842 to the Karakoram pass, claiming the Siachen glacier. India objected to this 'cartographic aggression' as it meant Pakistan claiming territory up to the Karakoram pass and preparing the ground for involving China in the India-Pakistan dispute.

The Indian Army believed that the choice before it was either to be blind to this activity or pre-empt Pakistan. In late 1983, India had intelligence that Pakistan was also purchasing large quantities of high altitude gear and its troops were planning to occupy the passes leading to the Siachen Glacier. Two months before the mountaineering season was to begin in April 1984, India airlifted two platoons of Kumaon Regiment and placed them on the two key passes of Bilafond La and Sia La on the Soltoro ridge. Pakistan had been effectively pre-empted. Both India and Pakistan see geo-political compulsions in fighting for Siachen. In 1963, Pakistan ceded 4,500 sq km of Kashmir, the Shaksgam Valley to the west of the Karakorams, to China because it wanted a border with China. But India believes that the disputed territory of the former princely state of Jammu & Kashmir was not Islamabad's to give away. India, therefore, did not recognise this settlement. However, New Delhi came to know of the Chinese activities in the area only a decade after China had built the Aksai Chin highway passing through it. The belated Indian presence on the Soltoro ridge abutting the Shaksgam Valley seeks to question the Sino-Pakistan 'border settlement'.

If there is no military presence on the Soltoro ridge, Indian military experts argue, then India would be blind to any activity inimical to its interests in and around the Soltoro ridge, in the eastern Karakorams and in what the Indian Army calls 'Sub-sector North' abutting the eastern Karakorams but contiguous to the Shaksgam Valley.
Satellite pictures and air surveillance, they argue, provide only images but it is physical observation which indicates an adversary's intent. Initially, the Siachen conflict was also justified in terms of countering a threat to Ladakh from Pakistani forces coming down the Nubra Valley via Siachen. This is now considered logistically unviable.

That Siachen rankles in the Pakistani mind is evident from the fact that the Kargil misadventure, some in Pakistan claim, was aimed at undoing the Indian takeover of Siachen. One of its objectives apparently was to snatch Siachen from India by cutting off the Srinagar-Leh highway.


India and Pakistan have held eight rounds of talks on the Siachen dispute. They apparently came close to resolving the dispute in 1989 and then again in 1992. These attempts were unsuccessful because of two reasons: first, Pakistan wants India to withdraw to pre-Simla positions by vacating the Soltoro ridge but wants to retain its own military positions claiming that they are pre-1971; and second, to keep up the myth of engaging India on the Siachen glacier, it refuses to exchange maps marking the present ground positions. These would show that Pakistan is nowhere near the Siachen glacier and that its posts on the Soltoro are at much lower heights (9,000 to 15,000 feet) than India's.

Was there really a settlement in the offing in 1989? American scholar Robert Wirsig has claimed that India made six proposals to Pakistan in 1989: cessation of cartographic aggression by Pakistan (i.e. extending the LoC from NJ-9842 northeast to the Karakoram pass); establishing a demilitarised zone at the Siachen glacier; exchanging maps to show present positions on the ground; delimiting the border beyond NJ-9842 towards the China border based on ground realities; formulating ground rules for future military stand-off - a measure of last resort; and redeploying Indian and Pakistani forces to mutually agreed positions.

Pakistan apparently countered this with two alternative proposals: deployment of Indian and Pakistani forces to mutually agreed positions held at the time of the 1971 ceasefire (pre-Simla positions); and only then, the delimitation of an extension of the LoC beyond NJ-9842.

There were differences over which should come first -- delimitation or the redeployment of forces. Re-deployment was seen as entirely an Indian withdrawal with Pakistan staying put. India was unwilling to accept demilitarisation to mean only an Indian pullout.


The sixth round of Siachen talks in 1992 also raised hopes for a solution. India claimed that there was a broad understanding on the redeployment of Indian and Pakistani troops and on creating a 'Zone of Disengagement' on either side of the Soltoro ridgeline -- although Pakistan was still unwilling to mark its current deployment on a map indicating the ground reality before disengagement. Whatever hopes that Indian officials had for a settlement even then were dashed when they approached the political leadership. The Zone of Disengagement Plan did not find political acceptance with Narasimha Rao's minority government.

In the seventh round of talks in November 1998, India referred only to the Soltoro range with no mention of the Siachen glacier. The proposal for a Zone of Disengagement was also dropped.

The 1998 proposals, instead, suggested a comprehensive ceasefire along the Soltoro region based on a freeze of the ground positions; discussions of the modalities of ceasefire in a definite time-frame; bilateral mechanisms for the ceasefire including flag meetings and hotlines between divisional commanders; and authenticating the existing position on the Soltoro range beyond NJ-9842. Pakistan rejected the proposals. The Indian position had clearly hardened in the face of Pakistan's refusal to recognise the ground reality.

The army has the dominant say in the Siachen dispute. The Indian army's position is that there should be no asymmetrical redeployment of troops. There is no glacier on the Pakistani side. To climb up the Soltoro peaks Pakistani army does not have to traverse a glacier - just mountaineering is enough. If there is a pullback by the Indian army to say, Leh or Turtuk but the Pakistanis stay in Skardu; then they can occupy the key positions on the Soltoro ridge in ten days' time. It would take India three to four months to do that.

Pakistan's President, General Pervez Musharraf, has apparently assured India that, should demilitarisation take place, his army would not reoccupy the crucial passes on the Soltoro ridge. However, after Pakistan's Kargil misadventure, his assurances are likely to be taken with a pinch of salt in India. All the same, the two sides have agreed to engage in a military-to-military dialogue to explore ways of disengaging from the Siachen Glacier and this may be a movement forward.

There have also been proposals for converting the Siachen Glacier area into a science park -- an environmental zone, jointly managed by both India and Pakistan. However, till such time as the entire area is demilitarised without either side feeling defeated, these proposals can only remain pipedreams.

South Asian Journal
 
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What are the agreements that India has broken? How?

Salim: i think you dident read Shimla Agreement, Let me tell you about it.

Following are points of Shimla Agreement on which both countries agreed in 1971. & i have highlighted the points that India broke.

(i) That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries;

(ii) That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organisation, assistance and encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;


(iii) That the pre-requisite for reconciliation, good neighbourliness and durable peace between them is a commitment by both the countries to peaceful co-existence, respect for each other's territorial integrity; and sovereignty and non-interference in each other internal affairs, on the basis of equality and mutual benefit;

(iv) That the basic issues and causes of conflict which have divided the relations between the two countries for the last 25 years shall be resolved by peaceful means;


(v) That they shall always respect each other's national unity, territorial integrity, political independence and sovereign equality;


(vi) That in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations they will refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of each other.

Both Governments will take all steps within their power to prevent hostile propaganda directed against each other. Both countries will encourage the dissemination of such information as would promote the development of friendly relations between them. In order to progressively restore and normalise relations between the two countries step by step, it was agreed that:

(i) Steps shall be taken to resume communications postal, telegraphic, sea, land including border posts, and air links including overflights.

(ii) Appropriate steps shall be taken to promote travel facilities for the nationals of the other countries.

(iii) Trade and co-operation in economic and other agreed fields will be resumed as far as possible.

(iv) Exchange in the fields of science and culture will be promoted. In this connection delegations from the two countries will meet from time to time to work out the necessary details.

In order to initiate the process of the establishment of durable peace, both Governments agree that:

(i) Pakistan and India shall be withdrawn to their side of international border.

(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the Line of Control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from threat or the use of force in violation of this Line.

(iii) The withdrawals shall commence upon entry into force of this Agreement and shall be completed within a period of 30 days thereof. This agreement will be subject to ratification by both countries in accordance with their respective constitutional procedures, and will come into force with effect from the date on which the Instrument of Ratification are exchanged. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements of the establishment of durable peace and normalisation of relations, including the question of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilians, resumption of diplomatic relations.


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Wilco :pakistan:
 
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I think nothing has been done to violate it.

But then, you are entitle to your views.
 
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