Pakistan needs to replace China with Russia

[CrazyZ]

Is it time to replace China with Russia?

No doubt China has given us many technologies and weapon systems but they don't to it for the love of Pakistan rather to confront India.

Even if Pakistan does not buy any weapons from China, they will still consider India as their rival & enemy. So they is no risk of China selling any weapons to India.

On the other hand, Russia had been selling weapons to India for many decades now but this relationship is very weak today thanks to Modi who is anti-Russia. Today, Modi's India is primarily buying weapons from the US.

Hence, Pakistan buying weapons from Russia instead of China would break the Russia-India relationship permanently and we could get advanced weapons systems from Russia.

We should seek better relations with Russia. No way they can replace China in our strategic thinking. We should continue to develop our own internal defense industries if we want to diversify away from one main weapons supplier.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Haven’t the Turkish folks have put the Russian stuffs into their rightful places in a number of front???

Did you notice that Turkey ditched F-35 and is getting Russian S-400 instead?

 

[GumNaam]

Can you take some good examples? JF-17? Type 054A/P?

jafar qureshi is talking about ROI...return on investment...well funny he mentioned that cuz the JF17 is the SINGLE biggest Pakistan China joint venture that has actually returned in foreign exchange deposits due to exports! he is shooting his own arguments in the foot.

 

[JohnWick]

says someone whose name is GumNaam.

Can you crawl back where you came from? It is the same Soviets which are involved in 1971 against Pakistan.It is a forum where people login anonymously.
China is our brotherhood country.

 

[JafarQureshi]

We should seek better relations with Russia. No way can they replace China in our strategic thinking. We should continue to develop our own internal defense industrial if we want to diversify away from one main weapons supplier.

It is not the question of China being the sole supplier for us. China will always support Pakistan as India is China's enemy.

It is the question of money and how we can use our defence budget to get Russia on our side.

 

[JohnWick]

It is not the question of China being the sole supplier for us. China will always support Pakistan as India is China's enemy.

It is the question of money and how we can use our defence budget to get Russia on our side.

We do not need russian junk.There stuff are sub standard not even close to stuff we get from China.

 

[GumNaam]

We should seek better relations with Russia. No way can they replace China in our strategic thinking. We should continue to develop our own internal defense industrial if we want to diversify away from one main weapons supplier.

when dealing with russia, the u.s., europe or even iran or middle east, Pakistan should totally pursue better more friendly relations BUT from a position of POWER! they should know that they need us far more than we need them.

 

[zhxy]

You are taking it personal my friend.

Every dollar that we spend on Chinese weapons results in one dollar less that is available to spend on Russian weapons. We does not have unlimited money like you. We have to juditiously spend our money. The ROI of spending money on Russian weapons is greater than ROI of spending the same on Chinese weapons as you will continue to support us either way but we if spend the money on Russian weapons, we will have support of the Russians too.

1. Money is not born by itself, nor does it naturally disappear. China was once the poorest country in the world before Deng Xiaoping began economic reform. China's starting point is even lower than India.

2. You think just buying Russian weapons will get support from the Russians (Russia will help Pakistan against India). So how much money can Pakistan spend? And why can't Indians spend twice as much as Pakistan? Does Pakistan have more money than India?

 

[JohnWick]

Did you notice that Turkey ditched F-35 and is getting Russian S-400 instead?

Did you notice that all the NATO countries operate F-35 despite of Su-57 junk.

 

[Lincoln]

No one pushes you to buy Chinese weapons, and the cooperation between China and Pakistan is win-win.

Pakistan can buy Su-35, Mig-35, Su-57, S-400, and so on from Russia at any time.

Without the orders of FC-1/JF-17, Type 054A/P, and so on from Pakistan, it is still fine to China, as China's military industry can get enough orders from PLA.

China just provides one more option to Pakistan, and Pakistan just chooses what Pakistan needs. That's all.

If other countries can provide better choices, I don't think Pakistan would refuse.

I don't think anyone takes him seriously. His comments and posts has us thinking he is an Indian falseflagging.

 

[JafarQureshi]

1. Money is not born by itself, nor does it naturally disappear. China was once the poorest country in the world before Deng Xiaoping began economic reform. China's starting point is even lower than India.

2. You think just buying Russian weapons will get support from the Russians (Russia will help Pakistan against India). So how much money can Pakistan spend? And why can't Indians spend twice as much as Pakistan? Does Pakistan have more money than India?

Yes. If we divert our defence spending from China to Russia, then we will spend more than India on Russian weapons. This will make Russia to support Pakistan instead of India.

 

[GumNaam]

Can you crawl back where you came from? It is the same Soviets which are involved in 1971 against Pakistan.It is a forum where people login anonymously.
China is our brotherhood country.

yes & that russia played a pivotal role in keeping the Chinese military occupied on their borders due to which China couldn't physically intervene...oh how the tables have turned on russia...China is basically their biggest trading partner now that they can ill afford to tick off.

 

[JohnWick]

Yes. If we divert our defence spending from China to Russia, then we will spend more than India on Russian weapons. This will make Russia to support Pakistan instead of India.

What joy does it give to you then? We can not afford junk on our current situation.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Did you notice that all the NATO countries operate F-35 despite of Su-57 junk.

We can partner with Turkey on TF-X project.

 

[JohnWick]

We can partner with Turkey on TF-X project.

No,no more strings attached project we are working fine on project AZM.