Jade
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I have not come across as dumb article as this
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First thing first, smuggling of goods must be stopped. Before the business starts. Because by starting business in these circumstances the volume of smuggling will spin out of control.
Sometime i wonder that how come educated people talks like this.....but then Education cannot teach everything....Right???
Not to cherry pick you GB but let me share my thoughts on your post.....
You are just putting your point so why should anyone hate you???
You should learn from your company....You might be surprised but people living close to borders don't share the same animosity that internet warriors like us are plagued with....As you said you yourself have visited Pakistan twice you would have noticed how strikingly similar customs/food/clothing they have...In short give people to people contact will increase the warmth many folds....
Its funny backhome we thing each other as enemy and here(western world) we greet each other....I was back in Chandigarh when Pak cricket team visited India.....You would be surprised but Locals offered their home for Pakistani guests.....Trust me if we explore people do not hate each other...They hate respective govt. and that's about it....
Yes because you are not impacted by it...Ask those who have families across the border how important it is for them....Recently there was a case shown on "The BIG Fight"(NDTV) where a mother's Visa was not extended by Indian officials after her husband died and her three kids(2 sons and a daughter) were forced to live without their mother....This is just one case of thousands....
So little bit of compassion will not hurt any....right???
No it won't but will loose an opportunity to grow and further help our masses....Let me quote you an example....India-China trade is $60 Billion....Obviously this is not the figure we started with..right??? Had GOI shared the same opinion like you we would not have reached where we are viz-a-viz China....
Buddy India and Pak if resolve their differences can do wonders to each other....Just imagine
For India - whole of central asia to explore
For Pakistan - a billion people strong market....
It can go the other way around....Today if Indo-China tention rise off goes the $60 billion worth of trade which will hurt both....So think about it....
Buddy India and Pak if resolve their differences can do wonders to each other....Just imagine
Yes because you are not impacted by it...Ask those who have families across the border how important it is for them....
So u mean to tell me that Indians knowingly export live stock. knowing that it will be killed and used for food.
My Friend
a. Who gave MFN status first? - It was India.
b. Who refused to give India the MFN status? - It was Pakistan. Still it is a cheap talk not conclusion.
c. Who refused Afghan trade routes to India? - Pakistan.
d. Who had put ban on Indian movies for decades? - It was Pakistan.
e. Who put a ban on Indian television channels? - Pakistan
Yet you are advocating all the above things.
Pakistan should have extend MFN to India the moment India did so. Did they do that? - NO
India always took positive steps towards Pakistan what we got in return is nothing.
Last time my Prime Minister took a bus to Pakistan, what we got in return was Kargil conflict.
Yes you will advocate this coz you didn't got impacted by Kargil War either.
Ask those who lost their 'Ghar Ke Chirag' or 'Jigar Ka Tukda's. Speak to those mothers who lost their brave sons.
Then advocate for the Bus service and Train Service.
GB
yeah i think this news was posted couple of days ago. Well i would say its a positive decision and beneficial for both countries. If we can buy something for 80 rupees from India then why same product from china for 100 rupees?
This will save our foreign reserves and we will be able to spend this money in other important projects. It will defenitely help our economy and promote peace in this subcontinent. Similar statement applies for India as there are many products in Pakistan offering for cheaper pricees than other countries.
But one thing we must always remember is........... Kashmir should be our top priority as always
My Friend
a. Who gave MFN status first? - It was India.
b. Who refused to give India the MFN status? - It was Pakistan. Still it is a cheap talk not conclusion.
c. Who refused Afghan trade routes to India? - Pakistan.
d. Who had put ban on Indian movies for decades? - It was Pakistan.
e. Who put a ban on Indian television channels? - Pakistan
Yet you are advocating all the above things.
Pakistan should have extend MFN to India the moment India did so. Did they do that? - NO
India always took positive steps towards Pakistan what we got in return is nothing.
You are right....However don't you think it is pragmatic to look towards future???Last time my Prime Minister took a bus to Pakistan, what we got in return was Kargil conflict.
Have you been impacted bro??? If you do then i feel sorry for your loss...Just an FYI i lost a family member in Mumbai Attack...yet i support this move fully heartedly because it is pragmatic and will save many more lives and above all it is good for my country....Yes you will advocate this coz you didn't got impacted by Kargil War either.
Ask those who lost their 'Ghar Ke Chirag' or 'Jigar Ka Tukda's. Speak to those mothers who lost their brave sons. Then advocate for the Bus service and Train Service.GB
Sure!!!
Yes sir i did catch it ...For those who did not let me make quick points
a) You know nothing about economics
b) You have no idea how beneficial this would be for Pakistani markets and end user
c) You have no idea how many job opportunities it will create in Pakistan
d) You have no idea how good this would be for the region....because once Pakistan and India engages like Indo-China they will understand how damaging a war/low-level conflict would be for both....
e) You have no idea how important this step would be to bring normalcy between India and Pakistan which in turn will help masses
f) Last but not the least you have no idea that your hatred has made you blind because while we are talking common man in Pakistan are busy watching movies made in the same adversary land and common man in my country are busy watching Pakistani plays....On top of that we both are using products made in adversary lands by virtue of Legal and Illegal trade ...
I hope i did get the drift...Do help me if i have not....
You know that Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan also came to India...Is he a traitor as well???? Buddy you have no idea but with this one stroke of line you called a good chunk of your populace as traitor....Those who watch Indians movies are motivated by lust, greed and dishonor by watching enemy movies as they support enemy's capability to buy more weapons. And those who go to India to sing are doing so for personal gains and not for the country.
We know that it is bending the truth when u say that Pakistan will benefit, actually India will flood our Markets with cheap goods. Nothing that i know will benefit Pakistan other than making Indians happy.
You have lost it...If common man in Pakistan is watching Indian movies they are supporting India with hard earned foreign exchange and are supporting our adversary.
Trust is not a baby which India and Pakistan can produce by inter-course....This can only come by engagement....Anyways what's the point of teaching you...You already know everything....This all depend on TRUST and there is deficit of this feeling about India in Pakistan.
GB we need to be realistic....Continued rivalry is not good for either India or Pakistan...
You are right....But so??? Think from a Pakistani POV you will get the similar points...Haven't we divided them into two halves???
Exactly my point... that's why i said it is high time Pakistan should give MFN status to India....
However because they have not doesn't mean what makes sense should not be done....We have done the right thing by giving them MFN status...This is economically and politically a right step....It is unfortunate that GOP has not so far reciprocated but such news suggests that Indian proposal is the right one...and that's why sane voices across the border are backing it...isn't it???
- Peace : This deal has the potential to do what has not been achieved in past 6 decades....Peace
- Central Asia : Pakistan geographical location makes it best fot trade with Central Asia...
- JObs : The more the trade more job opportunities in India
- Cheap Goods : Obviously if trasnportation cost reduces then overall price will reduce
- People to People Contact : You have given me examples of mens that we lost in Kargil....How about if we also consider people who have families across border???? How about if we ask them as well???
Have you been impacted bro??? If you do then i feel sorry for your loss...Just an FYI i lost a family member in Mumbai Attack...yet i support this move fully heartedly because it is pragmatic and will save many more lives and above all it is good for my country....
Buddy do you know how many mens are we loosing in Siachen??? How many mens are we loosing in Valley??? Are their lives less important then all those brave souls??? If this deal can give us much needed peace...If this deal can help our masses...if this deal can save lives then why oppose...
Look at Indo-China border....The economic benefits our masses are reaping....Unresolved yet peaceful borders....Don't you think it would be a blessing for both India and Pakistan if the same can be emulated on western border of ours????
P.S : We are anyways rivals....Lets give peace another chance....if it works it would be awesome...if it don't we have nothing to loose....Usual rhetoric and irritants will keep on....What say??
GB we need to be realistic....Continued rivalry is not good for either India or Pakistan...I have a message for all the people who have hatred for India or Pakistan....Support this if not for peace(X-Y-Z reasons) but for betterment of your own country....
GB let me dwell more into it....
You are right....But so??? Think from a Pakistani POV you will get the similar points...Haven't we divided them into two halves???
- Peace : This deal has the potential to do what has not been achieved in past 6 decades....Peace
- Central Asia : Pakistan geographical location makes it best fot trade with Central Asia...
- JObs : The more the trade more job opportunities in India
- Cheap Goods : Obviously if trasnportation cost reduces then overall price will reduce
- People to People Contact : You have given me examples of mens that we lost in Kargil....How about if we also consider people who have families across border???? How about if we ask them as well???
Look at Indo-China border....The economic benefits our masses are reaping....Unresolved yet peaceful borders....Don't you think it would be a blessing for both India and Pakistan if the same can be emulated on western border of ours????
I second that... Cant expect sweets from people who back-stabbed us many times. How can we ever forget Kargil? How can we ever forget that when our Prime Minister boarded a bus to talk of peace their PM and General was preparing to take lives of many Indians.
We should not stop trading with Pakistan or improving our relationship but I guess we should use the iron fist wherever necessary. We should make them negotiate on our terms, to trade on our wishes and not always as equals . We should learn from US on how to dominate a nation. We should create channels where we can hurt them if they do anything against our interests.
Give Pakistan all the goodies but make them so dependent that if there is a terror attack in India then the whole of Pakistan pays the price.
How many times it was us the Indians took a step forward to end the so called rivalry? negativity? to build trust and blah blah?
How many times?
What we got back each time?
You had that peace walk with Mahesh Bhatt or you are a die hard follower of Arundhati Roy and Kuldeep Nayyar?
I don't want to get personal but we divided them into two?
I don't want to divert the topic but you sir need to get the history straight. PM me or open another thread and I will be obliged to introduce some facts to you.
Have they given?
Pakistan should have given MFN the very next day India declared them as MFN.
Only time will prove you wrong. It has been proving people like you wrong since 1947.
Now i have shared benefits of Pakistan with ASQ...Let me share the benefits of India...
What is not achieved in past 60 years will be achieved after this deal? People had same thoughts in 1999 (Lahore Bus service).
We don't need Pakistan for that. We are developing Chabbahar port in Iran and developing highways/railways in Iran and Afghanistan to access Central Asia.
I would rather send my goods through this route rathen than being looted/burn/exploded in Pakistan on route.
Whats the jobless percentage in India? We are no longer in pre 1992 era. We don't need trade with Pakistan to create jobs in India.
For Pakistan. Not for us.
Not at the cost of my countrymen. Our armed forces.
Not in Kargil. But yes indirectly in Kashmir during 80's. The family member whose father sacrifised his life for nation is an ex member of this forum banned during ego clashes of Cheena and Yahya (Sharjeel) in very early days of this forum. (2005)
If this trade or MFN things going to bring peace I am not against it. But it is not going to happen. 60+ years have witnessed it. Nothing is going to change overnight.
Has China waged a Jihad on your country for the disputed land? Has China murdered and raped innocent civilians of your country? Has China asked a particular religion (hindus in kashmir for instance) to leave the disputed land?
Has China ever tried to block the Kailsh Sarovar Yatra? Has the Chiense ever killed the innocent pilgirms going to Kailash Yatra?
This so called peace experiment is going to come at the cost of our men. I am very much against it.
Those men and women serving the nation are not your goats to whom you can sacrifice in the name of peace.
GB