Pakistan falling behind India, BD on multidimensional poverty: Source OPHI

[MultaniGuy]

The debate is who has more poverty India or Pakistan.

And Indians want to convinces us that Pakistan has more poverty.

You Indiot members can go to hell for all I care.

It is India which has more poverty than Pakistan.

LOL LOL LOL

It is you Indians who need a Eureka moment.

Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report
India, the world's second fastest growing economy, has been ranked as poorer than its blighted enemy Pakistan in a United Nations report on global poverty.

An Indian girl selling pens waits for customers in New Delhi, India Photo: AP


By Dean Nelson, New Delhi

3:14PM GMT 03 Nov 2011

Comment


The report also finds more 'gender equality' in conservative Pakistan than in 'tolerant' India.

Its findings amount to a wake-up call for a nation which has taken great pride in its rapid economic growth and the increasing clout of its billionaire business leaders but has failed to share the spoils with its poor. Britain's Department for Internmational Development has pointed to this chequered progress to justify its continuing aid to India.

The Human Development Report reveals that while India ranks slightly above Pakistan in its level of 'human development' – based on life expectancy, schooling and per capita income – its wider poverty level is worse than Pakistan's.

In absolute terms, 41.6 per cent of India's 1.1 billion people earned less than 78 pence per day compared with 22.6 per cent of Pakistan's 173 million.

The report quotes its 'multi-dimensional poverty index' which includes measures of schooling, child mortality, nutrition, access to electricity, toilets, drinking water, and hygienic living conditions, and reveals India is poorer.

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It found 53.7 per cent of Indians suffering from this broader kind of poverty, compared with 49 per cent of Pakistanis.

More surprisingly, India is ranked below Pakistan and Bangladesh on gender equality which reflects maternal death rates, teenage pregnancies, access to education, and the number of women parliamentarians and in the workplace.

India's rural development minister Jairam Ramesh said the report highlighted the prevalence of poverty in the midst of economic growth and the possibility that "actually economic development may lead to retrogression of social indices." Priya Subramanian of Save the Children said India's poor ranking reflected a lack of political will to tackle poverty.

"It is things like healthcare and education which have India lagging behind Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. These countries are well on track and India, with its fast growing economy, has still not got its act together," she said.

"While we have a new band of millionaires, on the other side people continue to suffer endlessly. Millions still live below the poverty line and go to sleep hungry. The [economic] growth has not flowed towards them," she added.


And don't give me bullshit about old indices. India has more poor as percentage compared to Pakistan's

 

[doe33]

Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report

Deep level of denial although all facts & findings are presented.It's foolish to avoid Oxford studies just to satisfy ego.

This article is absolute garbage & too old to compare with present scenario.If you want to rely on UN data better go through their website only & that says otherwise.

And also try to compare in context of national poverty line which is more relevant.You may have lesser poor but in proportion to whole population you definitely have more percent living under BPL.

Just wait till they upgrade with new data.

 

[UnitedPak]

Yet when I'm in professional company abroad or with Western colleagues and the discussion (usually lunch or post lunch coffee) veers towards geopolitics, I have my way of making you guys look really bad.

Without coming across over strong as a frothing sanghi and destroying the perception.

And I've seen many doctors, scientists, IT guys, bankers, businessmen, NGO wheelers and dealers do the same in different ways.

I know these types very well and I guarantee you that you are not as ambiguous as you think and people are not as clueless as you think.

Reminds me of a character I once met but I won't go into that too much...

 

[MultaniGuy]

@Iqbal Ali

Pasting 6 year old (f)articles is not going to help. We have given you the latest info.

Regards

@Iqbal Ali

Pasting 6 year old (f)articles is not going to help. We have given you the latest info.

Regards

LOL SHUT UP INDIAN TROLLS.

Yes posting those old articles will help.

Actually it is your butthurt doe, Everybody knows India has more poverty as A PERCENTAGE than Pakistan does.

@waz Take care of these Indian idiot trolls

Deep level of denial although all facts & findings are presented.It's foolish to avoid Oxford studies just to satisfy ego.

This article is absolute garbage & too old to compare with present scenario.If you want to rely on UN data better go through their website only & that says otherwise.

And also try to compare in context of national poverty line which is more relevant.You may have lesser poor but in proportion to whole population you definitely have more percent living under BPL.

More bu3t hurts are yet to come.Just wait till they upgrade with new data.

NO its not too old compare.

It you stupidity to ignore these articles which are FACT.
It your utter stupidity and bullshitty mind to ignore them.

India has more poor than Pakistan does as a percentage.

These facts are undeniable.

That is what the whole debate is about.

I understand your inferiority complex, that you have to compare yourself to a Muslim country.

India has the most poor in the world.

Don't give me this bullshit that the data is outdated.

Thats a bullshit aragument.

The articles are from 2016 and 2011. They are quite relevant.

 

[doe33]

These facts are undeniable.

What facts?Lol
Empty skull couldn't produce any fact more than these.Look at your last comment.
Only slang & stupidity just like most nincompoops here.First learn basic terms before captioning it as a debate.
I am backing out.

 

[MultaniGuy]

What facts?Lol
Empty skull couldn't produce any fact more than these.Look at your last comment.
Only slang & stupidity just like most nincompoops here.First learn basic terms before captioning it as a debate.
I am backing out.

Thats right indian. Get lost. India has more poverty than Pakistan has

 

[padamchen]

I know these types very well and I guarantee you that you are not as ambiguous as you think and people are not as clueless as you think.

Reminds me of a character I once met but I won't go into that too much...

It's all good man.

I guarantee you were our paths to cross in the real world, you will always come off second best.

Be happy here.

Cheers, Doc

 

[UnitedPak]

It's all good man.

I guarantee you were our paths to cross in the real world, you will always come off second best.

Be happy here.

Cheers, Doc

Best at what exactly?

A claim like this without even knowing me, tells me volumes about your "abilities".

 

[RiazHaq]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/11/cs-wealth-report-2016-average-pakistani.html


CS Wealth Report 2016: Average Pakistani 20% Richer Than Average Indian

Average Pakistani adult is 20% richer than an average Indian adult and the median wealth of a Pakistani adult is 120% higher than that of his or her Indian counterpart, according to Credit Suisse Wealth Report 2016. Average household wealth in Pakistanhas grown 2.1% while it has declined 0.8% in India since the end of last year.


Source: Credit Suisse Wealth Report 2016

Here are the key statistics reported by Credit Suisse:

Total Household Wealth Mid-2016 :

India $3,099 billion Pakistan $524 billion

Wealth per adult:

India Year End 2000 Average $2,036 Median $498.00

Pakistan Year End 2000 Average $2,399 Median $1,025

India Mid-2016 Average $3,835 Median $608

Pakistan Mid-2016 Average $4,595 Median $1,788

Average wealth per adult in Pakistan is $760 more than in India or about 20% higher.

Median wealth per adult in Pakistan is $1,180 more than in India or about 120% higher

Inequality:

Median wealth data indicates that 50% of Pakistanis own more than $1,180 per adult which is 120% more than the $608 per adult owned by 50% of Indians.

The Credit-Suisse report says that the richest 1% of Indians own 58.4% of India's wealth, second only to Russia's at 74.5%. That makes India the 2nd biggest oligarchy in the world.

The CS wealth data, particularly the median wealth figures, clearly show that Pakistan has much lower levels of inequality than India.


Source: Bloomberg

World Bank Report:

A November 2016 World Bank report says that Pakistan has successfully translated economic growth into the well-being of its poorest citizens. It says "Pakistan’s recent growth has been accompanied by a staggering fall in poverty".

Rising incomes of the poorest 20% in Pakistan since 2002 have enabled them to enhance their living standards by improving their diets and acquiring television sets, refrigerators, motorcycles, flush toilets, and better housing.

Another recent report titled "From Wealth to Well Being" by Boston Consulting Group (BCG) also found that Pakistan does better than India and China in translating GDP growth to citizens' well-being.

One particular metric BCG report uses is growth-to-well-being coefficient on which Pakistan scores 0.87, higher than India's 0.77 and China's 0.75.

Big Poverty Decline Since 2002:

Using the old national poverty line of $1.90 (ICP 2011 PPP) , set in 2001, the percentage of people living in poverty fell from 34.7 percent in FY02 to 9.3 percent in FY14—a fall of more than 75 percent. Much of the socioeconomic progress reported by the World Bank since 2000 has occurred during President Musharraf's years in office from 2000-2007. It has dramatically slowed or stagnated since 2010.


Source: World Bank Report Nov 2016

Using the new 2016 poverty line of $3.50 (ICP 2011 PPP), 29.5 percent of Pakistanis as poor (using the latest available data from FY14). By back casting this line, the poverty rate in FY02 would have been about 64.3 percent.

Pakistan's new poverty line sets a minimum consumption threshold of Rs. 3,030 or $105 (ICP 2011 PPP) per person per month or $3.50 (ICP 2011 PPP) per person per day. This translates to between Rs. 18,000 and Rs. 21,000 per month for a household at the poverty line, allowing nearly 30% of the population or close to 60 million people to be targeted for pro-poor and inclusive development policies—thus setting a much higher bar for inclusive development.

Multi-dimensional Poverty Decline:

A UNDP report released in June 2016 said Pakistan’s MPI (Multi-dimensional poverty index) showed a strong decline, with national poverty rates falling from 55% to 39% from 2004 to 2015. MPI goes beyond just income poverty.

The Multidimensional Poverty Index uses a broader concept of poverty than income and wealth alone. It reflects the deprivations people experience with respect to health, education and standard of living, and is thus a more detailed way of understanding and alleviating poverty. Since its development by OPHI and UNDP in 2010, many countries, including Pakistan, have adopted this methodology as an official poverty estimate, complementing consumption or income-based poverty figures.

Rising Living Standards of the Poorest 20% in Pakistan:

According to the latest World Report titled "Pakistan Development Update: Making Growth Matter" released this month, Pakistan saw substantial gains in welfare, including the ownership of assets, the quality of housing and an increase in school enrollment, particularly for girls.




First, the ownership of relatively more expensive assets increased even among the poorest. In the bottom quintile, the ownership of motorcycles increased from 2 to 18 percent, televisions from 20 to 36 percent and refrigerators from 5 to 14 percent.

In contrast, there was a decline in the ownership of cheaper assets like bicycles and radios.




Housing quality in the bottom quintile also showed an improvement. The number of homes constructed with bricks or blocks increased while mud (katcha) homes decreased. Homes with a flushing toilet almost doubled in the bottom quintile, from about 24 percent in FY02 to 49 percent in FY14.

Dietary Improvements for the Poorest 20% in Pakistan:

Decline in poverty led to an increase in dietary diversity for all income groups.

For the poorest, the share of expenditure devoted to milk and milk products, chicken, eggs and fish rose, as did the share devoted to vegetables and fruits.

In contrast, the share of cereals and pulses, which provide the cheapest calories, declined steadily between FY02 and FY14. Because foods like chicken, eggs, vegetables, fruits, and milk and milk products are more expensive than cereals and pulses, and have lower caloric content, this shift in consumption also increased the amount that people spent per calorie over time.

For the poorest quintile, expenditure per calorie increased by over 18 percent between FY02 and FY14. Overall, this analysis confirms that the decline in poverty exhibited by the 2001 poverty line is quite credible, and that Pakistan has done remarkably well overall in reducing monetary poverty based on the metric it set some 15 years ago, says the World Bank.

Summary:

In spite of Pakistan's many challenges on multiple fronts, the country has successfully translated its GDP growth into the well-being of its poorest citizens. "Pakistan’s recent growth has been accompanied by a staggering fall in poverty", says a November 2016 World Bank report. An earlier report by Boston Consulting Group reached a similar conclusion.
http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/11/cs-wealth-report-2016-average-pakistani.html

 

[MultaniGuy]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/11/cs-wealth-report-2016-average-pakistani.html


CS Wealth Report 2016: Average Pakistani 20% Richer Than Average Indian

Average Pakistani adult is 20% richer than an average Indian adult and the median wealth of a Pakistani adult is 120% higher than that of his or her Indian counterpart, according to Credit Suisse Wealth Report 2016. Average household wealth in Pakistanhas grown 2.1% while it has declined 0.8% in India since the end of last year.


Source: Credit Suisse Wealth Report 2016

Here are the key statistics reported by Credit Suisse:

Total Household Wealth Mid-2016 :

India $3,099 billion Pakistan $524 billion

Wealth per adult:

India Year End 2000 Average $2,036 Median $498.00

Pakistan Year End 2000 Average $2,399 Median $1,025

India Mid-2016 Average $3,835 Median $608

Pakistan Mid-2016 Average $4,595 Median $1,788

Average wealth per adult in Pakistan is $760 more than in India or about 20% higher.

Median wealth per adult in Pakistan is $1,180 more than in India or about 120% higher

Inequality:

Median wealth data indicates that 50% of Pakistanis own more than $1,180 per adult which is 120% more than the $608 per adult owned by 50% of Indians.

The Credit-Suisse report says that the richest 1% of Indians own 58.4% of India's wealth, second only to Russia's at 74.5%. That makes India the 2nd biggest oligarchy in the world.

The CS wealth data, particularly the median wealth figures, clearly show that Pakistan has much lower levels of inequality than India.


Source: Bloomberg

World Bank Report:

A November 2016 World Bank report says that Pakistan has successfully translated economic growth into the well-being of its poorest citizens. It says "Pakistan’s recent growth has been accompanied by a staggering fall in poverty".

Rising incomes of the poorest 20% in Pakistan since 2002 have enabled them to enhance their living standards by improving their diets and acquiring television sets, refrigerators, motorcycles, flush toilets, and better housing.

Another recent report titled "From Wealth to Well Being" by Boston Consulting Group (BCG) also found that Pakistan does better than India and China in translating GDP growth to citizens' well-being.

One particular metric BCG report uses is growth-to-well-being coefficient on which Pakistan scores 0.87, higher than India's 0.77 and China's 0.75.

Big Poverty Decline Since 2002:

Using the old national poverty line of $1.90 (ICP 2011 PPP) , set in 2001, the percentage of people living in poverty fell from 34.7 percent in FY02 to 9.3 percent in FY14—a fall of more than 75 percent. Much of the socioeconomic progress reported by the World Bank since 2000 has occurred during President Musharraf's years in office from 2000-2007. It has dramatically slowed or stagnated since 2010.


Source: World Bank Report Nov 2016

Using the new 2016 poverty line of $3.50 (ICP 2011 PPP), 29.5 percent of Pakistanis as poor (using the latest available data from FY14). By back casting this line, the poverty rate in FY02 would have been about 64.3 percent.

Pakistan's new poverty line sets a minimum consumption threshold of Rs. 3,030 or $105 (ICP 2011 PPP) per person per month or $3.50 (ICP 2011 PPP) per person per day. This translates to between Rs. 18,000 and Rs. 21,000 per month for a household at the poverty line, allowing nearly 30% of the population or close to 60 million people to be targeted for pro-poor and inclusive development policies—thus setting a much higher bar for inclusive development.

Multi-dimensional Poverty Decline:

A UNDP report released in June 2016 said Pakistan’s MPI (Multi-dimensional poverty index) showed a strong decline, with national poverty rates falling from 55% to 39% from 2004 to 2015. MPI goes beyond just income poverty.

The Multidimensional Poverty Index uses a broader concept of poverty than income and wealth alone. It reflects the deprivations people experience with respect to health, education and standard of living, and is thus a more detailed way of understanding and alleviating poverty. Since its development by OPHI and UNDP in 2010, many countries, including Pakistan, have adopted this methodology as an official poverty estimate, complementing consumption or income-based poverty figures.

Rising Living Standards of the Poorest 20% in Pakistan:

According to the latest World Report titled "Pakistan Development Update: Making Growth Matter" released this month, Pakistan saw substantial gains in welfare, including the ownership of assets, the quality of housing and an increase in school enrollment, particularly for girls.




First, the ownership of relatively more expensive assets increased even among the poorest. In the bottom quintile, the ownership of motorcycles increased from 2 to 18 percent, televisions from 20 to 36 percent and refrigerators from 5 to 14 percent.

In contrast, there was a decline in the ownership of cheaper assets like bicycles and radios.




Housing quality in the bottom quintile also showed an improvement. The number of homes constructed with bricks or blocks increased while mud (katcha) homes decreased. Homes with a flushing toilet almost doubled in the bottom quintile, from about 24 percent in FY02 to 49 percent in FY14.

Dietary Improvements for the Poorest 20% in Pakistan:

Decline in poverty led to an increase in dietary diversity for all income groups.

For the poorest, the share of expenditure devoted to milk and milk products, chicken, eggs and fish rose, as did the share devoted to vegetables and fruits.

In contrast, the share of cereals and pulses, which provide the cheapest calories, declined steadily between FY02 and FY14. Because foods like chicken, eggs, vegetables, fruits, and milk and milk products are more expensive than cereals and pulses, and have lower caloric content, this shift in consumption also increased the amount that people spent per calorie over time.

For the poorest quintile, expenditure per calorie increased by over 18 percent between FY02 and FY14. Overall, this analysis confirms that the decline in poverty exhibited by the 2001 poverty line is quite credible, and that Pakistan has done remarkably well overall in reducing monetary poverty based on the metric it set some 15 years ago, says the World Bank.

Summary:

In spite of Pakistan's many challenges on multiple fronts, the country has successfully translated its GDP growth into the well-being of its poorest citizens. "Pakistan’s recent growth has been accompanied by a staggering fall in poverty", says a November 2016 World Bank report. An earlier report by Boston Consulting Group reached a similar conclusion.
http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/11/cs-wealth-report-2016-average-pakistani.html

Excellent post RiazHaq.

These Indian Indiots still don't get it.

India has more poverty in percentage and in population when compared to Pakistan.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq

In spite of Pakistan's many challenges on multiple fronts, the country has successfully translated its GDP growth into the well-being of its poorest citizens.

This assertion is not supported by data.

Stunting of Under 5 children

India 39%, Pak 45%

Source: http://hdr.undp.org/en/indicators/98306

Infant Mortality per 1000 birth

India 38, Pakistan 66

Source: http://hdr.undp.org/en/indicators/57206

Regards

 

[t_for_talli]

Talli,

Now it may seem counterintuitive given that I have started this thread in the first place. But I will be cautious in concluding anything from the mere fact of per capita consumption number being higher for India. It is a matter of fact that inequality is higher in India and overall higher consumption numbers may not necessarily translate into higher consumption numbers for the bottom half of the pyramid.

Regards

I know, I was replying to a troll in his language

My Dawn article is more than enough for you Indian trolls.

India has more poverty than Pakistan has.


RiazHaq also answered you.

My sources are enough. I have done enough research.

Wow dawn article more credible than IMF/ WB/ World steel association etc etc. Dawn is a news source they donot generate data but build stories around data collected by various sources. I have listed credible source where as you donot have clue what data source dawn used

 

[countryman]

Pakistan which until 2010 was ahead of India and BD on multidimensional poverty index seems to have fallen back in the last few years.

http://www.dataforall.org/dashboard/ophi/index.php/mpi/country_briefings

Pakistan

Source: OPHI Country Briefing 2017: Pakistan

MPI= 0.230, Percentage of poor people (H)= 44%, average intensity across the poor (A)= 52%

India

Source: OPHI Country Briefing 2017: India

MPI=0.191, H= 41%, A=46%

Bangladesh

Source: OPHI Country Briefing 2017: Bangladesh

MPI=0.196, H= 41%, A=47%

Dear Brof Riazul Haq sb, what do you make of the latest findings. If correct, your hypothesis about democrazy being bad for Pak holds true. Under Mushy, Pak was beating India (0.23 v/s 0.28 comfortably), now India, BD turning tide. Time for the Pak fauj to do their patriotic duty?

Brof Riazul Haq sb jawaab do!!! Jawaab do!!! jawaab do!!!

Regards

A lot of things have changed since 2012-13. It was really a bad time for Pakistan because PPP govt did nothing about anything at all but their own pockets. Let's see the how it goes with year 2017 data. The data you've mentioned in your post isn't comparable because reflect 2011-12 in case of India, 2012-13 in case of Pakistan and 2014 in case BD.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@countryman,

The data you've mentioned in your post isn't comparable because reflect 2011-12 in case of India, 2012-13 in case of Pakistan and 2014 in case BD.

As you have yourself pointed out, the data is for 2012-13 for Pak, 2011-12 for India. It means for 2016-17, Pak would have progressed by 4 years, India by 5 years (1 more year than Pak). The implication is that as and when 2016-17 data are out, India would have nudged one year ahead.

But thanks for understanding the issue and making a logical argument.

Regards

 

[countryman]

The data you've mentioned in your post isn't comparable because reflect 2011-12 in case of India, 2012-13 in case of Pakistan and 2014 in case BD.

As you have yourself pointed out, the data is for 2012-13 for Pak, 2011-12 for India. It means for 2016-17, Pak would have progressed by 4 years, India by 5 years (1 more year than Pak). The implication is that as and when 2016-17 data are out, India would have nudged one year ahead.

But thanks for understanding the issue and making a logical argument.

Thanks God, you agreed. Now let's wait for actual figures before making claims. However, whole world knows India has more propensity for sharp incline in economy due to its immense size and population as compared to Pakistan.