Pakistan cautions India against ‘two front’ situation

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Once cross border terrorism stops we can talk is the official Indian stand

once Indian terrorisst are all killed in Afghanistan, we will talk in another language very soon.
talk without Kashmir issue are not acceptable to us.

India started policy of terrorism in its neighbor countries in 70s by supporting terrorists in east Pakistan and later accepting all those terrorism.

 

[Ace of Spades]

We have vacated every part of Pakistan that is Pakistan's.

It was not vacated it was taken; by force.

And what evidence can be offered of a man held up, bundled into a vehicle and later smuggled across a porous border?

Are you saying this with an evidence? Funny how you are negating your own logic; on one side India is insisting that he was abducted; and you agree that there is no evidence. And then when we present evidence i.e. passport, confessional videos then it's not an evidence for you. If i reverse the roles and someone in Kashmir is found with some medicine brand of Pakistan, he is directly labelled as a Pakistani insurgent. Quite a logic

 

[Joe Shearer]

It was not vacated it was taken; by force.



Are you saying this with an evidence? Funny how you are negating your own logic; on one side India is insisting that he was abducted; and you agree that there is no evidence. And then when we present evidence i.e. passport, confessional videos then it's not an evidence for you. If i reverse the roles and someone in Kashmir is found with some medicine brand of Pakistan, he is directly labelled as a Pakistani insurgent. Quite a logic

No, I am negating no one's logic but what has been peddled to the world; a passport that can be faked by any private individual, leave alone a powerful intelligence agency with massive resources at its disposal; a confessional video, performed after exposure to the delicate interrogation techniques refined in Pakistan, where the head of a religious sect was celled with a strong arm muscleman with orders to sodomise the old fellow daily, and you expect anyone to take you seriously.

Where would a Kashmiri find a Pakistani medicine to be carrying it around?

 

[Ace of Spades]

• The captured person's antecedents were sought to be checked by Pakistani media people, until they were discouraged with unmistakable menace from any attempts at gaining access to Kasab's people.

• Those people, his family members, thereafter disappeared. They had no means for a sophisticated vanishing on their own; their poverty is believed to have been one of Kasab's motivators in joining an armed group for the sake of survival money.

• The radio intercepts exist, in full and gory detail. That is the basis on which specific, individual Pakistanis were sought by international warrant. We both know the names, the fate of those individuals and the complete opacity regarding mysterious military people who drift in and out of the narrative.

There is no point in going to the accent issue with this amount of overwhelming evidence piled up.

If you connect these statements of yours and then the fact that he was actually not having Punjabi accent/ dialect/ vocabulary; as far as i can understand, only logical conclusion i can reach is that he was living in India; was trained in India and conducted whatever he conducted. Now; was he framed or not to malign Pakistan that is debatable. It is not difficult to create a transmission exchange. You have to realize who gained the most out of that mumbai incident? After 9/11 world was having this narrative about terrorism and India wanted to use that opportunity that was presented to them over a silver platter. Conducting that incident gave India an excuse to beat the drum and parade and label Pakistan over already made sentiments of west and then later knotting Kashmir uprising with the same issue.

Where would a Kashmiri find a Pakistani medicine to be carrying it around?

C'mon Joe; read my previous post. Out of all people you must know that how intelligence world works. To stage some one for something to enforce one's narrative and putting medicines next to their bodies is not a big deal for an intelligence agency. Since, India is in denial mode that there is no Kashmir uprising; people of Kashmir don't want independence. It's just Pakistan who is sending in these few hundred thousand people on the funerals of freedom fighters. It's Pakistan who gives hundred rupees each to all the school kids to pallet stones on the Indian army. It's very convenient for Indian establishment to just point finger towards Pakistan and to tell their public whatever cooked stories. For international community India is using already made image of Pakistan that they successfully shaped after Mumbai. Can't you connect the dots? and you actually think that India is a holy cow with no bad intentions. Actually let alone bad; any ambitious intentions in the region. Believe me if India and her establishment is that innocent as you and your public believe her to be, then "malicious" Pakistan would've had broken; actually conquered India too long ago.

 

[Alphacharlie]

Glass Houses Dont Stand a Fight.

A Nation with No Resources to pay for Balance of Payments is issuing Guidance notes to Neighbours.

 

[ranjeet]

If you connect these statements of yours and then the fact that he was actually not having Punjabi accent/ dialect/ vocabulary; as far as i can understand, only logical conclusion i can reach is that he was living in India; was trained in India and conducted whatever he conducted. Now; was he framed or not to malign Pakistan that is debatable. It is not difficult to create a transmission exchange. You have to realize who gained the most out of that mumbai incident? After 9/11 world was having this narrative about terrorism and India wanted to use that opportunity that was presented to them over a silver platter. Conducting that incident gave India an excuse to beat the drum and parade and label Pakistan over already made sentiments of west and then later knotting Kashmir uprising with the same issue.

This is what former DG FIA had to say about mumbai attacks ....

"The following facts are pertinent. First, Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani national, whose place of residence and initial schooling as well as his joining a banned militant organisation was established by the investigators. Second, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorists were imparted training near Thatta, Sindh and launched by sea from there. The training camp was identified and secured by the investigators. The casings of the explosive devices used in Mumbai were recovered from this training camp and duly matched. Third, the fishing trawler used by the terrorists for hijacking an Indian trawler in which they sailed to Mumbai, was brought back to harbour, then painted and concealed. It was recovered by the investigators and connected to the accused. Fourth, the engine of the dinghy abandoned by the terrorists near Mumbai harbour contained a patent number through which the investigators traced its import from Japan to Lahore and then to a Karachi sports shop from where an LeT-linked militant purchased it along with the dinghy. The money trail was followed and linked to the accused who was arrested. Fifth, the ops room in Karachi, from where the operation was directed, was also identified and secured by the investigators. The communications through Voice over Internet Protocol were unearthed. Sixth, the alleged commander and his deputies were identified and arrested. Seventh, a couple of foreign-based financiers and facilitators were arrested and brought to face trial."

Here is what he had to say about voice samples ...

"After an exchange of multiple investigation dossiers with the Indian police authorities, the trial court was requested to give approval to obtain voice samples of the alleged commander and his deputies for comparison with the recorded voices. The court ruled that the consent of the accused should be obtained. Obviously, the suspects refused. "

https://www.dawn.com/news/1198061

As far as your assertion about who gained the most from the Mumbai attack goes, we Indians gained as much as Pakistan gained from APS massacre.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If you connect these statements of yours and then the fact that he was actually not having Punjabi accent/ dialect/ vocabulary; as far as i can understand, only logical conclusion i can reach is that he was living in India; was trained in India and conducted whatever he conducted. Now; was he framed or not to malign Pakistan that is debatable. It is not difficult to create a transmission exchange. You have to realize who gained the most out of that mumbai incident? After 9/11 world was having this narrative about terrorism and India wanted to use that opportunity that was presented to them over a silver platter. Conducting that incident gave India an excuse to beat the drum and parade and label Pakistan over already made sentiments of west and then later knotting Kashmir uprising with the same issue.

Yes, I remember that was the immediate, knee-jerk reaction in an appalled Pakistan; outside the intelligence services and the fanatic fringe element, I believe that the ordinary Pakistani was appalled. Unfortunately, there is too much contrary evidence; the transcripts and the Headley testimony, for instance.

C'mon Joe; read my previous post. Out of all people you must know that how intelligence world works. To stage some one for something to enforce one's narrative and putting medicines next to their bodies is not a big deal for an intelligence agency. Since, India is in denial mode that there is no Kashmir uprising; people of Kashmir don't want independence. It's just Pakistan who is sending in these few hundred thousand people on the funerals of freedom fighters. It's Pakistan who gives hundred rupees each to all the school kids to pallet stones on the Indian army. It's very convenient for Indian establishment to just point finger towards Pakistan and to tell their public whatever cooked stories. For international community India is using already made image of Pakistan that they successfully shaped after Mumbai. Can't you connect the dots? and you actually think that India is a holy cow with no bad intentions. Actually let alone bad; any ambitious intentions in the region. Believe me if India and her establishment is that innocent as you and your public believe her to be, then "malicious" Pakistan would've had broken; actually conquered India too long ago.

I agree, the world of spooks is full of shadows and reflections. I am only too painfully aware of what might be going on. My own assessment is therefore based on personal interactions and evidence. Obviously my views are governed by that, not by the official line. I will not share that assessment, except in a confidential and tightly-knit group. And it is not what you might think from this way of presenting it.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I will not share that assessment, except in a confidential and tightly-knit group. And it is not what you might think from this way of presenting it.

I would like to know and so the other members here; if you, the least, can give an outline based on your assessment about the real situation or direct the discussion towards it.

 

[Kedardel]

Once Kashmir issue is Solved , there wont be any need for War .

Nops, there is an intrinsic hatred against India and it is independent of Kashmir. Its so visible on PDF.
If Kashmir issue will be solved then there will be another issue created.
Any ways I hope Pakistani political class realizes that propping up Burhan Wani doesnt save your chair.
Look at anti Indian statements by Pakistani establishment 1) Money given to kill a terrorist. 2) Money given to destablize CPEC 3) Two front situation being attempted etc., this is like an enemy is being created by the Pakistani Establishment i.e. India.

 

[Maarkhoor]

A pathetic case, with information extracted by third degree methods: one case, as claimed by Pakistan, in seventy years, against literally dozens every month coming the other way. One unarmed individual kidnapped from Iran, against armed to the teeth terrorists shot down weekly in Kashmir. And let's not forget the rest of the picture.

A case built on an insecure personality promoted beyond his level bragging about mythical Walter Mitty-like exploits in foreign countries, against the testimony of an array of the best and brightest Pakistani military and civilian sources, speaking on Pakistani media, and writing in publications published in Pakistan.

Other than the national need to promote an Indo-Pakistan equation, does anybody seriously believe in Indian involvement in Pakistani terrorism? Is there not sufficient evidence that all the damage that could be done was done by Pakistani brains and intelligence alone?

How long will you keep up this drama?

He Was caught inside Pakistan with fake passport issued by Indian Govt "Hussien Mubarak Patel" did he wants to visit hi ailing parents in Pakistan or Honey trapped?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I would like to know and so the other members here; if you, the least, can give an outline based on your assessment about the real situation or direct the discussion towards it.

WTF. What do I care?

1. The ordinary Kashmiri is sick of violence, and wants peace and quiet.
2. The ordinary Kashmiri kid, teen upwards, wants a life, to start with, wants a decent job - anywhere in India, although Kashmir is preferred. They don't like north India - who does? - but are perfectly happy in Hyderabad or Bangalore, or even in Calcutta (north India stops at Bihar).
3. The stone-pelting has almost died down, but will flare up again, because neither the state government nor the central government has a clue about what to do about jobs and employment.
4. Politically, what they mean by 'azadi' is autonomy, and to be left alone. They want a restoration of the situation pre-1953, when the idiotic central bureaucracy tried fiddling with the Kashmiri constitution and created a really messy situation. Restoring that situation is very workable, and the local legislature can be asked to go through each and every law that was applied to them by ordinance, against the spirit of Article 311, and accept, modify or reject it.
5. They are positive about Pakistan, and use that country to piss off other Indians when those others become smart-arse and start telling them about Kashmir. So, the flags, the support to the cricket team, and general back-chat with policemen.
6. Socially, the Kashmiri wants to be left alone. By everyone, including oversexed macho men out to 'save them' and the local buckos who take to militancy and then want their choice of women. But not by tourists; they LOVE tourists, and they love the money they make selling into the huge Indian market.
7. They like the Indian market. Come November, they spread out all over the country, with their shawls and their dried fruit, and make the most of the season.
8. They resent not being allowed to cross the LOC and trade, not because they hope to make tons of money, but because of the principle of the thing.

There are one or two other points, but they have to do with my own reasons for vehemently opposing any Islamisation and any distortion of the Kashmiri ethos.

I won't answer questions on these individual perceptions. You are free to agree or to disagree, or even to lecture each other on some point arising out of this; just leave me out of it. I don't think any single member has been to Kashmir or has as many friends there as I have and I really don't want to a point by point presentation.

 

[Great Sachin]

Aur wo kaise ho ga...?

We will gift wrap and give you on your birthday

 

[Joe Shearer]

He Was caught inside Pakistan with fake passport issued by Indian Govt "Hussien Mubarak Patel" did he wants to visit hi ailing parents in Pakistan or Honey trapped?

Ah! That proves it!! Now that we have your testimony, and since you were standing and looking over the clerk's shoulder while he made this passport, and you swear that it was not made in Islamabad, clearly things are as you say.

Now we know for sure: the Indian Government is the only one in the world that issues fake passports, and the Indian intelligence services are the only ones stupid enough to send someone with his looks into Pakistan.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Ah! That proves it!! Now that we have your testimony, and since you were standing and looking over the clerk's shoulder while he made this passport, and you swear that it was not made in Islamabad, clearly things are as you say.

Now we know for sure: the Indian Government is the only one in the world that issues fake passports, and the Indian intelligence services are the only ones stupid enough to send someone with his looks into Pakistan.

Dill pe mat le yaar,

Pakistan oks that his wife can meet him last time, send bhabhi G.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Ah! That proves it!! Now that we have your testimony, and since you were standing and looking over the clerk's shoulder while he made this passport, and you swear that it was not made in Islamabad, clearly things are as you say.

Now we know for sure: the Indian Government is the only one in the world that issues fake passports, and the Indian intelligence services are the only ones stupid enough to send someone with his looks into Pakistan.

sab Maya hay...

https://twitter.com/x/status/713354851367854081

Iranian resident permit on Fake passport made in Islamabad ...India can simple ask Iran to validate this visa stamp ? itna mushkal be nai to expose notorious ISI aka human smugglers who bribe some one to kidnap him from Iran