Pakistan Army high altitude Mountain rescue operation under way.

[BHarwana]

 

[GriffinsRule]

Few points to note here :-

• Yes, I have had dealings with Polish in UK and they do have a problem with being tolerant but no more then Pakistani people. And they are not all racist.
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• This is a rescue operation. If it's about making profit then don't bother even launching a operation because your never going to make a profit. So citing costs is ridiculous propostion. You either do it on humanitarian basis or don't bother.
  
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• These cases do not happen every day. Whenever Pakistan is on the news it is invariably for bad reasons, terrorism, radicals, murders, political instability, etc etc. This time again it is on news. This offers Pakistan to come out looking good. Countries spend millions on their image. Doing good and make media headlines for something positive is worth doing.
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• But like I said if you guys want to keep up the "bad Pakistan" perception by all means don't rescue the mountaineers and insist on $$$. That should make Pakistan filthy rich. I am sure we will make billions of dollars from this "rescue industry".

How is this a profit making scheme? I don't think you understand how a financial guarantee would work in this case. If Pakistan loses men and material in this mission, should they not be reimbursed by the Polish government? Do you know that counties/cities even go after their own citizen for cost reimbursement when they have to be rescued from hikes or desserts etc (where ever they got stranded).

 

[BHarwana]

Few points to note here :-

• Yes, I have had dealings with Polish in UK and they do have a problem with being tolerant but no more then Pakistani people. And they are not all racist.
• 
  
• This is a rescue operation. If it's about making profit then don't bother even launching a operation because your never going to make a profit. So citing costs is ridiculous propostion. You either do it on humanitarian basis or don't bother.
  
• 
  
• These cases do not happen every day. Whenever Pakistan is on the news it is invariably for bad reasons, terrorism, radicals, murders, political instability, etc etc. This time again it is on news. This offers Pakistan to come out looking good. Countries spend millions on their image. Doing good and make media headlines for something positive is worth doing.
• 
  
• But like I said if you guys want to keep up the "bad Pakistan" perception by all means don't rescue the mountaineers and insist on $$$. That should make Pakistan filthy rich. I am sure we will make billions of dollars from this "rescue industry".

@Kaptaan I agree that rescue should be on humanitarian basis but these very countries deny us that rescue technology which will be used on humanitarian basis. It will take not more than 24 hour flight to send a rescue team from Europe but every one knows who ever is going up there is going to die and OP has it that Pakistan has sent men to die or try. European should be happy that few Pakistanis will die along their men as well. So don't need to complain any more.

 

[khansaheeb]

Few points to note here :-

• Yes, I have had dealings with Polish in UK and they do have a problem with being tolerant but no more then Pakistani people. And they are not all racist.
• 
  
• This is a rescue operation. If it's about making profit then don't bother even launching a operation because your never going to make a profit. So citing costs is ridiculous propostion. You either do it on humanitarian basis or don't bother.
  
• 
  
• These cases do not happen every day. Whenever Pakistan is on the news it is invariably for bad reasons, terrorism, radicals, murders, political instability, etc etc. This time again it is on news. This offers Pakistan to come out looking good. Countries spend millions on their image. Doing good and make media headlines for something positive is worth doing.
• 
  
• But like I said if you guys want to keep up the "bad Pakistan" perception by all means don't rescue the mountaineers and insist on $$$. That should make Pakistan filthy rich. I am sure we will make billions of dollars from this "rescue industry".

That's due to yahudee/semitic propaganda: "Whenever Pakistan is on the news it is invariably for bad reasons, terrorism, radicals, murders, political instability, etc etc.". Yahudee anti-Isam , Anti-Pakistan press is always out for the negatives , falsifying and exaggerating stuff.

 

[Ocean]

@Kaptaan I agree that rescue should be on humanitarian basis but these very countries deny us that rescue technology which will be used on humanitarian basis. It will take not more than 24 hour flight to send a rescue team from Europe but every one knows who ever is going up there is going to die and OP has it that Pakistan has sent men to die or try. European should be happy that few Pakistanis will die along their men as well. So don't need to complain any more.

No the reason n concept is misunderstood by you.

If these any nationality tourists or person gets trapped due to a security issue then thats governments job to save him.

But if someone comes out on a leisure trip or adventure visit then he gets trapped or stuff then its his responsibility. He should bear expenses to everything.

Do you know how much a rescue mission costs? They dont come cheap.

Main issue in such missions is not only finances but the "possible LOSS of HUMAN LIFE"

Why would we lose one of our citizens whether civilian or military guy after someones adventure fetish?
Does anyone even know how pakistani army has a magnanimous history of rescuing these climbers in riskiest locations WHEN ITS NOT THEIR BLOODY JOB.


kaptaan is a low life loser who will piss in his pants if allocated such task, would never have guts to leave his kids orphaned for a senseless expedition rescue mission n here he is talking tall cause of his love to lick western boots,

 

[war&peace]

• Yes, I have had dealings with Polish in UK and they do have a problem with being tolerant but no more then Pakistani people. And they are not all racist.

I have dealt with them and sorry I can't agree with you at all due to my experience

• This is a rescue operation. If it's about making profit then don't bother even launching a operation because your never going to make a profit. So citing costs is ridiculous propostion. You either do it on humanitarian basis or don't bother.

It is not about the profit at all but only for the costs incurred. If an expensive helicopters gets destroyed in the process who is responsible? so it is about recovering the costs only. Tourists are not treated at taxpayers and that is why they have to even arrange travel insurance to secure visa.

• These cases do not happen every day. Whenever Pakistan is on the news it is invariably for bad reasons, terrorism, radicals, murders, political instability, etc etc. This time again it is on news. This offers Pakistan to come out looking good. Countries spend millions on their image. Doing good and make media headlines for something positive is worth doing.

No matter..what ever Pakistan does....the racist people in western media will never admire our role...can you please recall when was the last time any of them admired any Pakistani effort... so better get money and secure your assets.

But like I said if you guys want to keep up the "bad Pakistan" perception by all means don't rescue the mountaineers and insist on $$$. That should make Pakistan filthy rich. I am sure we will make billions of dollars from this "rescue industry".

Wrong assumptions, wrong calculations..

 

[pak-marine]

the hikers are stuck at 6500 feet they are on a very thin line .. humans cant survive over 8000 feet

 

[BHarwana]

No the reason n concept is misunderstood by you.

If these any nationality tourists or person gets trapped due to a security issue then thats governments job to save him.

But if someone comes out on a leisure trip or adventure visit then he gets trapped or stuff then its his responsibility. He should bear expenses to everything.

Do you know how much a rescue mission costs? They dont come cheap.

Main issue in such missions is not only finances but the "possible LOSS of HUMAN LIFE"

Why would we lose one of our citizens whether civilian or military guy after someones adventure fetish?
Does anyone even know how pakistani army has a magnanimous history of rescuing these climbers in riskiest locations WHEN ITS NOT THEIR BLOODY JOB.


kaptaan is a low life loser who will piss in his pants if allocated such task, would never have guts to leave his kids orphaned for a senseless expedition rescue mission n here he is talking tall cause of his love to lick western boots,

Man I know how much a recsue costs and these rescues are paid by the Govt and organizations that sponsor these climbs even in Europe there is Page GoFundMe rescue page that funds them from the European mountains and they are also insured. But this is a hell difficult rescue under the weather conditions. It is no shame to ask for money because polish Govt also takes money for such rescues.

the hikers are stuck at 6500 feet they are on a very thin line .. humans cant survive over 8000 feet

The french women is stuck at 6500 meter not feet but the polish man is higher. French women has been spotted by Pakistan Army. French women is in good state and can climb some way down. the rescue team has so far reached 5600 m and they will continue to climb in the night to them.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Reminds me of the movie vertical limit.

This clip has a bad Indian dub.

 

[BHarwana]

It is expected that by mid day tomorrow they will climb up to the climbers but still weather conditions are too bad even for the climb. why the hell would they climb the killer mountain in such weather.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Thats not true. Our Eurocopter even landed on the Everest

Few points to note -

Helicopters have managed to go over 40,000ft that is well over 10,000 metres but these are under ideal circumstances with the heli being reduced of it's weight. A rescue heli has to pick up weight which make it tricky in thin air where the engine is gasping for oxygen. In addition the height of these mountains [Alps are like hills compared to these] creates all sort of micro weather features incl;uding winds, turbulence etc which can send these heli's slamming into the mountains like flies.
Pakistan Army has speciality in high altitude mountains because it is involved in daily combat on the highest battlefield on earth - the Siachen Glacier. Thus those skills can be used to save these guys. The professional skill of these pilots is second to non because they operate in these conditions daily.

In another post you mentioned about Pakistani mountains not being impressive because although their absolute height is at world top levels but the relative height is no that impressive. I am afraid you cannot be further wrong from the truth. Some the the heighest relative gain in heights are in Pakistan. They are mind bending. Indeed the greatest nearly vertical drop on earth is found in Pakistan - Trango Towers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremes_on_Earth#Greatest_vertical_drop

Indeed Pakistan mountains for for men. Rest are for pu*ssies. K2, Rakaposhi feature some of the greatest vertical drops on earth with the earlier mentioned Trango making the world record. And you point about more people having died in Europe is moot because more people have tried to climb it. For instance if million people try to climb a small hill more will end up dead then if ten climbed the K2. It's statistics. But if you look at number of climbs referanced against deaths you will find K2 earning it's title the "Killer Mountain".

Trango Towers - Greatest vertical drop on earth. For serious climbers who have done the rest - Pakistan is the final destination.

 

[jamal18]

No the reason n concept is misunderstood by you.

If these any nationality tourists or person gets trapped due to a security issue then thats governments job to save him.

But if someone comes out on a leisure trip or adventure visit then he gets trapped or stuff then its his responsibility. He should bear expenses to everything.

Do you know how much a rescue mission costs? They dont come cheap.

Main issue in such missions is not only finances but the "possible LOSS of HUMAN LIFE"

Why would we lose one of our citizens whether civilian or military guy after someones adventure fetish?
Does anyone even know how pakistani army has a magnanimous history of rescuing these climbers in riskiest locations WHEN ITS NOT THEIR BLOODY JOB.


kaptaan is a low life loser who will piss in his pants if allocated such task, would never have guts to leave his kids orphaned for a senseless expedition rescue mission n here he is talking tall cause of his love to lick western boots,

Bud, I'm no fan of Kaptaan, but in this case human decency comes first. The rescue teams should go out immediately, and the entire process should kick in automatically. Let's help human beings in a life threatening situation.

The bureaucrats should argue the finances afterwards.

Oh, I think it is the job of the Pakistan military to rescue climbers in this situation. There is no other agency in this role.

 

[BHarwana]

Bud, I'm no fan of Kaptaan, but in this case human decency comes first. The rescue teams should go out immediately, and the entire process should kick in automatically. Let's help human beings in a life threatening situation.

The bureaucrats should argue the finances afterwards.

Oh, I think it is the job of the Pakistan military to rescue climbers in this situation. There is no other agency in this role.

Oh my friend Pakistani military has kicked in the operation asap but we are rescuing these a** fcuk Europeans and look what the hell their media is saying. this attitude is not acceptable. the conditions are fucking hell any one will die climbing that summit now they are going to get the french women because she is stuck at base camp 2 which is 6500 meter but the polish dude is some where near 7300 m that is a die or try and they are going to die so that this European media don't fcuks Pakistan's name check the google forecast it is currently snowing there are visibility is very low in snow plus it is all cloudy it night even in day there.

This all money and bureaucrat thing to just a blackmail to satisfy their voters nothing more and this attitude is not acceptable.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Hope they survive and return back safely

 

[Dalit]

There is a problem here. These climbers climb these mountains fully knowing the risks. The Pakistan army has in the past carried out rescue missions and saved foreign climbers. It is an expensive and time consuming undertaking.

I believe that we need to end these summits. No climbing permits should be handed out after this. It is very risky. We know that some climbers will get stuck or fail to survive. Only the Pakistan army is capable to carry out high altitude rescue missions. Will the Pak army be responsible for every rescue mission? I don't think it is the job of our army to carry out rescue missions and waste precious resources. The Pak army has more important things to do.