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Come on.100 trainers sounds ridiculous
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Come on.100 trainers sounds ridiculous
. The PAF has been working on a 5th Generation fighter for almost a year now and it is likely to take at least a couple of years before it is flying.
What? @airomerixThe PAF has been working on a 5th Generation fighter for almost a year now and it is likely to take at least a couple of years before it is flying. “It is indigenous at this time – we will be self-reliant and not dependent upon western or eastern partners”.
An off topic but people here really used to say to me how Subsonic missiles are better than Supersonic but this article says otherwisePakistan’s rapidly evolving missile arsenal forms an important part of its defence strategy and currently comprises mobile short and medium-range ballistic missiles, but it is also making significant strides into its indigenous cruise missile capability. However, its present Hatf 7 and in-development Hatf 8 cruise missiles are all subsonic types, which are less survivable in highly defended airspace.
In this context there could be a potential interest by Pakistan to acquire a capability that could match the Russo-Indian BrahMos (PJ-10) series of supersonic cruise missiles designed to be launched from land-based platforms, as well as ships, aircraft and submarines. The land- and ship-launched variants of the BrahMos are already in service with the Indian armed forces, while the air-launched version is undergoing testing.
What? @airomerix
An off topic but people here really used to say to me how Subsonic missiles are better than Supersonic but this article says otherwise
Engine???5th generation development homework has been in works since 2015.
That’s another way of looking at it with a wider and broader perspective.O Charmer!!!!
Let me frame it differently...
What is Pakistan's current GAP when all 9 Vectors of War are considered?
And if we have a rational answer then what would be the bestest investement and in which Vector?
I would rather that instead of buy any 4th++ Gen we invest in JF and AZM...but most importantly build factory/factroies to produe aero engines under licence in Pakistan...
Another CurveBall for ya... what is Pakistan's Defence Capability in the Global Scenario? Should we forever remain India centric?
Mangus
Yes i think Army (MI) operates 2 or 3 for intelligence and survielence and in fact 1 crashed in rawalpindi last yearDoes Pakistan operate MC12 intelligence and reconnaissance aircraft?
I learned something very interesting about it
I think if we can muster or negotiate the finances, then, we are more likely to have access to more powerful AESA radars, Advanced EW Suite, Advanced AAM + AGM + ASM + SAM from China. Latch on as many of these on to the Thunder's coming iterations as possible and increase production capacity.If Turkey also gets SU-35 from Russia, I don’t see PAF NOT pursuing SU-35 in near future, like after 3 years or something.
China already operates SU-35, India has been trying to distance itself from russia lately, in many tenders. Russia and Pakistan relations are on a journey like never before, still a long way to go, but we are headed on a track which is in good terms with Russia.
Especially if Russia invests in Pakistan and makes use of it, it would like to do MORE with Pakistan.
Although, the contradicting scenario is, india re-opts for T-50, which has a potential to
Happen in cases :
All these points are highlighting about in which cases india might opt for T-50s.
- PAF gets some squadrons of FC-31 (v3 is expected to fly soon and is said to be better than F-35 in some aspects and overall far better than it’s earlier variants)
- PAF gets some Chinese flankers or V upgrades for the whole fleet (V upgrades for whole fleet will definitely leave india panicked no matter what they buy)
- AMCA doesn’t go as they expected it to happen.
- Russia improvises T-50 to match the standards and succeeds in their engine project
We at the moment can’t rule out the possibility of India acquiring F-35 if uncle sam have some desperate interests with india. Although, S-400 and F-35 together would be a rare case but india has been a rare case in many other situations as well be it iranian oil.
So back to SU-35, SU-35 would be the best ever choice we make before AZM. AZM is just on papers at the moment. Although wind tunnel testing will, is or may be done at the moment (refer to MoDP report about Wind Tunnel plans for PAC) but AZM is very far and that would be 2030-32 and God knows where world would be at that time, peace or war or destroyed.
It is inevitable that PAF will/Should get a deep strike fighter for PAF or PN in medium term, right when Block 3 production is nearing its current limit. We could possibly see our economy even booming or getting better, giving us some edge to get these toys.
BUT, even though just my wish or call it anything, SU-35 with J-20 radar and Chinese AAMs, nothing would be better in 4++ class than this SU-35P. Russia wouldn’t seem to allow this at the moment, but like said, we should persuade them, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE IN THIS WORLD EXCEPT TIME TRAVEL AND KEEPING A WIFE HAPPY FOREVER.
@Windjammer @Mangus Ortus Novem @HRK @aliyusuf @Hodor
Kuch naya karne ko nai hai isliye socha wapas wohi batein shuro karden, bohat din se bekar topics chalrahe hain...
I emphasized on SU-35 simply due to its design and RCS unlike J-16, J-15B but with systems and weapons if China.I think if we can muster or negotiate the finances, then, we are more likely to have access to more powerful AESA radars, Advanced EW Suite, Advanced AAM + AGM + ASM + SAM from China. Latch on as many of these on to the Thunder's coming iterations as possible and increase production capacity.
Till AZM's NGF becomes a reality, this arrangement will do quite adequately.
It is my opinion that China has surpassed Russia in electronics by leaps and bounds. And modern warfare primarily evolves around the supremacy of electronics of avionics, active & passive sensors ... like radars, RWRs and jammers. Also Chinese missiles are a better bet than their Russian counterparts.
Also, in that context, if we should require a stop gap ... then an updated Sino Flanker (J-16 or J-15B) would be a much more effective and combat savvy choice for the PAF instead of the Su-35.
That is my humble opinion on the topic.