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[GriffinsRule]

If you want a replacement for the Mirage, and at that, used aircraft as the replacement, go buy the M2Ks from Qatar and UAE. Im sure, France would love to sell their used inventory as well. Heck go offer the Egyptians to barter new JF-17s for their 18-19 odd Mirages as well. Would still be a better plane than the pos JH-7

 

[Maxpane]

SLAMABAD: Royal Thailand Air Force Commander-in-Chief Air Chief Marshal Chaiyapruk Didyasarin visited Air Headquarters, Islamabad on Thursday.

On his arrival, the distinguished guest was received by Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan.

He was presented with the guard of honour by a smartly turned out contingent of PAF. Later on, he called on the air chief in his office. Various matters of professional and mutual interest, including regional peace and stability came under discussion during the meeting. The commander-in-chief of Royal Thailand Air Force appreciated the sound professionalism of PAF personnel and its achievements in the war against terrorism.

The air chief briefed the visiting dignitary about ongoing indigenisation projects taken up by PAF in recent years. Both dignitaries agreed to further enhance bilateral cooperation and defence ties to strengthen the existing cordial relations between the two countries in general and two air forces in particular.

The commander-in-chief of Royal Thailand Air Force is visiting Pakistan on the special invitation of PAF.

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[syed_yusuf]

If you want a replacement for the Mirage, and at that, used aircraft as the replacement, go buy the M2Ks from Qatar and UAE. Im sure, France would love to sell their used inventory as well. Heck go offer the Egyptians to barter new JF-17s for their 18-19 odd Mirages as well. Would still be a better plane than the pos JH-7

Don't forget mirage 2000-5 from Taiwan, they are retiring them as the cost of operation is too high and they cannot keep up with the maintenance. Taiwan air-force have 55 examples.

if i put the math in
UAE - 68 max
Qatar - 12
TAF - 55
EAF - 15

total 140 examples.

 

[denel]

Don't forget mirage 2000-5 from Taiwan, they are retiring them as the cost of operation is too high and they cannot keep up with the maintenance. Taiwan air-force have 55 examples.

if i put the math in
UAE - 68 max
Qatar - 12
TAF - 55
EAF - 15

total 140 examples.

you will be in the same boat as before. best is to continue to get jhf-17 B3; but jf-7 is a requirement in its own class to project deep standoff capability with M2K does not provide.

 

[MIRauf]

Indeed, M2K be much better option then the JF-7As dubbed as JF-7E. heck, pick up Tornado F-1/2 from RSAF as they upgrade theirs with the EFT, they are much better low level attack plane, just have the RSAF donate them to PAF.

 

[Tank131]

If you want a replacement for the Mirage, and at that, used aircraft as the replacement, go buy the M2Ks from Qatar and UAE. Im sure, France would love to sell their used inventory as well. Heck go offer the Egyptians to barter new JF-17s for their 18-19 odd Mirages as well. Would still be a better plane than the pos JH-7

Don't forget mirage 2000-5 from Taiwan, they are retiring them as the cost of operation is too high and they cannot keep up with the maintenance. Taiwan air-force have 55 examples.

if i put the math in
UAE - 68 max
Qatar - 12
TAF - 55
EAF - 15

total 140 examples.

1. Pakistan doesnt have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. You think they are going to sell warplanes to Pakistan, the closest ally to their greatest enemy (China).

2. M2K doesnt solve the deep strike issue for Pakistan, not. Can it carry the load or appropriate weaponry for the job PN needs from it. It again can carry 2 exocets while JH-7A carries 4 AShM. It is unlikely to be allowed to carry RAAD as France is not likely to give RDY-2 source codes to allow integration. Pakistan has no weapons for M2k in its inventory except old Magic R550 amd exocet (No MICA) and in times of war, spares wont be guaranteed. Also it is a high altitude fighter, not ideal for low altitude deep strike esp in maritimr role, whereas the JH-7A os designed for that. Plus, the m2k will likely be far more expensive.

Regarding Tornado, again, PN has AMRAAM and aim-9 but it has no Sea Eagle antiship missile, and it doesnt have brimstone or storm shadow. And it will be far more expensive than JH-7A. And bet there will be no spares when conflict occurs.

I get that PN wont get this aircraft but it is ideally suited for Pakistans need and its wallet. It will be the best stop-gap until a more advanced fighter can be procured. PN has all the relavant weapons for it and will be able to get it cheaply. It needs to soldier until Azm comes to fruition and allows PN to focus on JF-17s development.

 

[Nasr]

PAF is in the mode of replacing Mirage, not adding more. They are starting to literally fall from the skies. It would be safer to get a low cost option like JH-7A which could easily soldier for another 10-15 years safely and protect your pilots while at the same time adding capability. People think because it isnt agile. It isnt worth it, but it isnt an air superiority fighter, its a missile truck. It will be as effective at long range as any other 4th gen fighter. Its range and payload are comparable to Su-30. While Mirage can carry 1 exocet and JF-17 can carry 2 C-802A, the JH-7A can carry 2 CM-400AKG AND 2-C-802A all while still carrying 2 SD-10s AND 2 WVR missiles. It could potentially carry 4 RAAD. It is the ideal low altitude strike aircraft for PAF and equipped properly would be a boon in the strike game for PAF. It will buy time for the PAF to re-equip sqn with older aircraft with JF-17 Blk 3 or AZM or whatever you select in a manner that protects your pilots while adding tremendous capacity to protect your coast for relatively cheap.

Well if Mirages are out, then the only logical choice should be JH-7s. It's a pity that we have not made "enough" headway with the Russians. Because if we had or pursue it in the near future. Then the correct type of aircraft to get is Su-34 Fullback. As this aircraft has far greater payload, range and agility than the Mirages, Thunders or JH-7s, in the specified role. So it ought to be Su-34s if Pakistan Air Force is actually serious about offensive capability. Otherwise, JH-7s would be suitable enough to fulfill the role. But, having said that, is there any indication that Pakistan Air Force ever actually considered having a fighter-bomber replacement for Mirages?

 

[GriffinsRule]

Lets just say that had PAF wanted to replace any Mirages with the junk that is JH-7, it would have done so a long time ago. Even before the new and 2nd hand F-16s, PAF did not care to take a 2nd look at that plane, and for good reason.

 

[Nasr]

Lets just say that had PAF wanted to replace any Mirages with the junk that is JH-7, it would have done so a long time ago. Even before the new and 2nd hand F-16s, PAF did not care to take a 2nd look at that plane, and for good reason.

Okay, I will bite ... what other options are there, provided Pakistan Air Force actually wakes up one day to this important issue. Which aircraft, in your view, would be suitable for Pakistan Air Force to fulfill such a role or replacement for Mirages?

 

[Maxpane]

some one's junk can be other one's treasure. just like italian howitzer which are are not value able for them but Pakisfan army buying them cuz its useful for them
. same is the case of jh 7 we can buy them and improve our numbers and strength instead of wasting our resources . may be it would be helpful to get more f 16.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Okay, I will bite ... what other options are there, provided Pakistan Air Force actually wakes up one day to this important issue. Which aircraft, in your view, would be suitable for Pakistan Air Force to fulfill such a role or replacement for Mirages?

Used or new? If used, then F-16/M2K
If new, then Rafale/Su-30/Typhoon

 

[Maxpane]

Used or new? If used, then F-16/M2K
If new, then Rafale/Su-30/Typhoon

i think @Tank131 has already given answer for M2k and f 16

 

[GriffinsRule]

i think @Tank131 has already given answer for M2k and f 16

I dont agree with his answer

 

[Maxpane]

I dont agree with his answer

ok

 

[Tank131]

Used or new? If used, then F-16/M2K
If new, then Rafale/Su-30/Typhoon

F-16s issue is that while its great for strike role, but PAF F-16 dont have capability for Maritime strike. If the US is willing to give them that capability then by all means. But you still dont have an aircraft capable of nuclear strike. Same goes for M2K.

Rafale and Typhoon would be great, but PAF cant really afford new builds and used Rafales have been upgraded to F3 (soon to be F4). The used Typhoons available for sale are Tranch 1 which have no a2g capabilities or maritime strike capabilities.

Su-30/34/35 would be perfect but agaim they are not, as far as we know, available to Pakistan. If they are, then by all means the Su-34 or Su-35 would be the very best PAF could ask for.

The issue is that there are no good strike options available to PAF amd the JH-7A is actually a good low cost option until PAF can replace it. The very definition of a stop gap is a low cost adequate option capable of fulfilling your needs for a short time.