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[Avicenna]

Believe me, we have logically sound reasons for procuring restricted American technology.

Its called no other options.

 

[CriticalThought]

Its called no other options.

It's called shrewd planning.

 

[Avicenna]

It's called shrewd planning.

How so?

 

[CriticalThought]

How so?

I'll leave it at that.

 

[Avicenna]

I'll leave it at that.

LOL. OK.

 

[MastanKhan]

why Pakistani media is so useless in Army interviews

Hi,

That is what happens when you send someone who think that they are interviewing GODS---and the interviewer is dumb as a rock---.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Hi,

I pay more in charity in pakistan every month than some of your yearly taxes.

So don't dwell on that idea.

Nobody here cares about your charity. Keep it if you must use to feel superior to others without knowing what they do, or how much they contribute.

This just illustrates your habit of spewing stuff without knowing a single thing about anything relevant.

Hi,

Very poor level of intellect young man---very poor level of intellect---but as you are hitting your head against me---that is a good thing---because one of these days---you will wake up and understand what I am saying---.

I told you to not 'young man' me. But you do not listen. You are lonely because you never listen to others. The time you spend on forums and the vitriol you spread informs of your circumstances. I pity you.

The immediately obvious thing about your writing is that you love to spread cynicism in the garb of being a realist. You are just a bitter old man who has nothing positive to say. You think I will wake up and understand you? You think you are some sort of prophet of doom who must be listened to? You keep talking about 'need' to buy expensive military hardware when Pakistan's HDI indicators are miserably low. You ARE a prophet of doom, then. But the sort that should be ignored.

Right now---your level of understanding has not reached that plateau.

What plateau? What are you even talking about? Do you think you have attained some sort of nirvana or something? Many mad-men actually claim that, because megalomania makes them say so. When was the last time you saw a psychiatrist? Have you missed an appointment or two? Because lately you have become even more insufferable than usual.

Diversity has been the norm for thousands of years to survive---keep stability and win against odds---.

What diversity are you talking about? Diversity of genes, or education, or guns, or crack-pots?

What stability can be had when an unacceptably high percentage of Pakistanis are illiterate or as-good-as-illiterate? If Pakistan follows your prescription, we would be condemned to even lower HDI. You want that in name of survival? You want survival of Pakistanis as illiterate savages? Because this is what your logic leads to - throwing even more money on weapons. Can you comprehend the trade-off involved in spending more on imported expensive weapons systems? Do you have any idea how it works? Who are you to prescribe what Pakistanis need? Did you do a survey or something? Do you know nearly enough about what Pakistanis need?

Your sarcasm & rhetoric cannot change the historical realities of nations living under duress---.

Have you made a systematic study of nations under duress? You think that lack of weapons creates duress, and not a lack of economic strength? You think duress is all about not buying M2Ks, and Rafales, & what-nots? What makes you think that duress is not about under-funded hospitals & schools? You think that history gives you numbers about literacy and weapons? I would like to know which history (or histories) inform your opinions. I would bet that they are not worth a single bent penny. You think that tossing random phrases like "nations living under duress" lends any credence to your gibberish?

Stop banging your head against me---for the nation of pakistan---open the eyes of your brain and listen to understand what is being said and not what you want to hear---.

"eyes of your brain" now that is another good one. Does you narcissism have any limits? Do you listen to others? Or do you keep repeating same old gibberish (painfully obvious to most of us here) without realizing what it means?

Let me tell you what your rubbish means:

1. Buy heavy hitting twin engine behemoths that are laden with Western avionics - ignoring that such stuff costs a heck of a lot, and obviously development budget must be cut in order to afford such toys. Lack of improvement or even decline of HDIs means nothing to you. You are blind to the vicious circle of low HDI, low investment, & inferior economic development.

2. PAF is a traitor organization that Pakistanis worship, because it did not buy toys that you wanted them to buy. Well gee wiz - read what I wrote above, except that Pakistan would have even worse HDI had PAF bought those same toys.

3. I am important and everybody should listen to me, because Pakistan would be doomed if you do not listen to me - Hmm.... did you take your medicine yet?

I think I have had enough fun with your idiocies today.

Seriously though, it would be abysmal HDIs that might undo Pakistan, not lack of sophisticated weapons. Now for better HDIs, one has to listen to economists, not self-declared defense analysts. There are only two main principles to look to: A) An established institutional framework (which Pakistan struggles with & is its Achilles' heel) and B) National Ethic of hard work (which Pakistanis can do much of). All strength - economic, military, moral, diplomatic flows from these two factors. Any prescription that interferes with this combination leads to weakness - and I see a lot of that in your gibberish.

Seriously... take you medicine and leave the decision-making to those who are most able. Lay-off the internet for a few days. Call you children and tell them you love them.

 

[MastanKhan]

Nobody here cares about your charity. Keep it if you must use to feel superior to others without knowing what they do, or how much they contribute.

This just illustrates your habit of spewing stuff without knowing a single thing about anything relevant.




I told you to not 'young man' me. But you do not listen. You are lonely because you never listen to others. The time you spend on forums and the vitriol you spread informs of your circumstances. I pity you.

The immediately obvious thing about your writing is that you love to spread cynicism in the garb of being a realist. You are just a bitter old man who has nothing positive to say. You think I will wake up and understand you? You think you are some sort of prophet of doom who must be listened to? You keep talking about 'need' to buy expensive military hardware when Pakistan's HDI indicators are miserably low. You ARE a prophet of doom, then. But the sort that should be ignored.



What plateau? What are you even talking about? Do you think you have attained some sort of nirvana or something? Many mad-men actually claim that, because megalomania makes them say so. When was the last time you saw a psychiatrist? Have you missed an appointment or two? Because lately you have become even more insufferable than usual.



What diversity are you talking about? Diversity of genes, or education, or guns, or crack-pots?

What stability can be had when an unacceptably high percentage of Pakistanis are illiterate or as-good-as-illiterate? If Pakistan follows your prescription, we would be condemned to even lower HDI. You want that in name of survival? You want survival of Pakistanis as illiterate savages? Because this is what your logic leads to - throwing even more money on weapons. Can you comprehend the trade-off involved in spending more on imported expensive weapons systems? Do you have any idea how it works? Who are you to prescribe what Pakistanis need? Did you do a survey or something? Do you know nearly enough about what Pakistanis need?



Have you made a systematic study of nations under duress? You think that lack of weapons creates duress, and not a lack of economic strength? You think duress is all about not buying M2Ks, and Rafales, & what-nots? What makes you think that duress is not about under-funded hospitals & schools? You think that history gives you numbers about literacy and weapons? I would like to know which history (or histories) inform your opinions. I would bet that they are not worth a single bent penny. You think that tossing random phrases like "nations living under duress" lends any credence to your gibberish?



"eyes of your brain" now that is another good one. Does you narcissism have any limits? Do you listen to others? Or do you keep repeating same old gibberish (painfully obvious to most of us here) without realizing what it means?

Let me tell you what your rubbish means:

1. Buy heavy hitting twin engine behemoths that are laden with Western avionics - ignoring that such stuff costs a heck of a lot, and obviously development budget must be cut in order to afford such toys. Lack of improvement or even decline of HDIs means nothing to you. You are blind to the vicious circle of low HDI, low investment, & inferior economic development.

2. PAF is a traitor organization that Pakistanis worship, because it did not buy toys that you wanted them to buy. Well gee wiz - read what I wrote above, except that Pakistan would have even worse HDI had PAF bought those same toys.

3. I am important and everybody should listen to me, because Pakistan would be doomed if you do not listen to me - Hmm.... did you take your medicine yet?

I think I have had enough fun with your idiocies today.

Seriously though, it would be abysmal HDIs that might undo Pakistan, not lack of sophisticated weapons. Now for better HDIs, one has to listen to economists, not self-declared defense analysts. There are only two main principles to look to: A) An established institutional framework (which Pakistan struggles with & is its Achilles' heel) and B) National Ethic of hard work (which Pakistanis can do much of). All strength - economic, military, moral, diplomatic flows from these two factors. Any prescription that interferes with this combination leads to weakness - and I see a lot of that in your gibberish.

Seriously... take you medicine and leave the decision-making to those who are most able. Lay-off the internet for a few days. Call you children and tell them you love them.

Hi,

People who need it haven't complained about it---neither the poor---nor the students---nor those who needed surgery---or money for wedding of their daughter or help buying medicine---maybe my one month donation was more than your yearly or maybe two year tax added---or did you even pay any taxes---if you did not---my apologies---I won't compete then.

Focus on defense needs young man---defense needs---so much vitriol that you have poured---so much poison---is not good.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

People who need it haven't complained about it---neither the poor---nor the students---nor those who needed surgery---or money for wedding of their daughter or help buying medicine---maybe my one month donation was more than your yearly or maybe two year tax added---or did you even pay any taxes---if you did not---my apologies---I won't compete then.

Focus on defense needs young man---defense needs---so much vitriol that you have poured---so much poison---is not good.

Fight fire with fire boss....

 

[CriticalThought]

Fight fire with fire boss....

Bad idea to egg him on. His criticism isn't constructive. He needs to understand this and stop it.

 

[fatman17]

The latest image (September 2017) indicated that since early 2017 a J-20A prototype has been fitted with two indigenous WS-10X turbofan engines featuring stealth nozzles with saw tooth edges, suggesting the Chinese engine technology has become mature enough to finally have the Russian engines replaced.

- Last Updated 9/3/17

 

[Chak Bamu]

Hi,

People who need it haven't complained about it---neither the poor---nor the students---nor those who needed surgery---or money for wedding of their daughter or help buying medicine---maybe my one month donation was more than your yearly or maybe two year tax added---or did you even pay any taxes---if you did not---my apologies---I won't compete then.

Focus on defense needs young man---defense needs---so much vitriol that you have poured---so much poison---is not good.

Again, you are nobody to tell me any of the above. Yes I pay taxes, & yes I give a proportion of my income in charity, & yes I volunteer my time. I also try to deal with cynics like yourself, and view it as public service. I am glad we got it over with, & I hope that this never comes up again. But having read your posts for more than a decade, I think you would find a way to bring it up again somehow.

You do not live in Pakistan & so do not know what intelligentsia thinks, or what students aspire to being, or what taxpayers feel. Most of what you say is made up of coarse generalizations (except some technical stuff), and you do not realize how off the mark you are most of the time. That is why most senior posters hv put you on their ignore list. Since most ppl do not argue with you, in your ignorance you feel that everyone agrees with your gibberish relating to PAF, M2K, Rafales, etc...

Lately you hv become even more arrogant & insufferable. You quoted one of the serious members and said some nasty personal stuff. The gentleman concerned has put you on ignore list, so he does not know that you hv talked rubbish about him. So I thought I would do the honors instead.

When I was moderating, I would warn ppl to be civil to you. You had your opinions, but you were not this arrogant & insufferable back then. Something has really changed and it is definitely for the worst.

If you could get any idea of the above, you would not be complaining of vitriol coming from me.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Bad idea to egg him on. His criticism isn't constructive. He needs to understand this and stop it.

He really needs to check himself & how he interacts with others. A bit of humility never hurt anyone.

Besides, being on many ignore lists makes him feel superior in his ignorance. Someone has to tell him to dial it down a bit.

 

[Chak Bamu]

The latest image (September 2017) indicated that since early 2017 a J-20A prototype has been fitted with two indigenous WS-10X turbofan engines featuring stealth nozzles with saw tooth edges, suggesting the Chinese engine technology has become mature enough to finally have the Russian engines replaced.

- Last Updated 9/3/17
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Thanks for posting this. I had a bet with Dr. Bashir at ITU that Chinese engines would be ready for mass scale deployment within a year. This would go some way in convincing him.

 

[fatman17]

Thanks for posting this. I had a bet with Dr. Bashir at ITU that Chinese engines would be ready for mass scale deployment within a year. This would go some way in convincing him.

The Chinese are moving forward faster than the west. Will catch up with the west in 5 years esp in quality engine manufacturing