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According To Haris khan PDF PAF is going to buy 40 highend Aircrafts Very Soon these r not j20 or J 31 .F 16 c/da deal fell through they not coming either .PAF opting for used F16s but these 40 r other Aircrafts neither chines nor US .@Zarvan @fatman@Horus @Windjammer @MastanKhan @Quwa

 

[Signalian]

F16 ADF

Modifications included Bendix King (now Allied Signal) AN/ARC-200HF/SSB radios with Have Quick II Secure Speech Module and the Teledyne/E Systems Mk.XII Advanced IFF system (APX-109). The APG-66 radar was modified (designated APG-66A) to provide look down/shoot-down capability, enhanced small target detection, and CW (Continuous Wave) illumination for AIM-7 guidance.

A 150,000 candlepower night identification spotlight was installed on the port side of the nose (below and in front of the cockpit) to aid in the identification of nighttime intruders. The aircraft were equipped to carry 600 (US) gallon (2,271 liter) external drop tanks, and to carry 6 BVR missiles such as the AIM-7 Sparrow or AIM-120 AMRAAM.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article14.html

AAM Load
On the F-16, AIM-120 AMRAAMs can be loaded on stations 1 and 9 (1 missile each, wingtip), 2 & 8 (1 missile each) and 3 & 7 (1 missile each).

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article3.html

Jordanian F16 Inv

Program

Model Block Qty. Serials Delivered
Peace Falcon I F-16A Block 15 ADF 12 220/231 1997-1998

F-16B Block 15 ADF 4 232/235 1997-1998 (with PAF 19 Sqn)
Peace Falcon II F-16A Block 15 ADF 16 Aircraft 671/686 2003(Up for Sale??)

F-16B Block 15 ADF 1 A/c 670 2003 (Up for sale??)
Peace Falcon III F-16A Block 20MLU 12 140/150, 152 2008-2009
F-16B Block 20MLU 4 136/139 2008-2009
Peace Falcon IV F-16B Block 20MLU 6 133/138 2009
Peace Falcon V F-16A Block 20MLU 6 153/158 2011
F-16B Block 20MLU 3 159/161 2011
Peace Falcon VI F-16A Block 20MLU 13 XXX 2016
F-16B Block 20MLU 2 XXX 2016

This is under-utilisation of the F-16 in the ADF version.

The other versions of F-16 can also carry 6 AAM plus A2G weaponary.

can F-16 ADF carry A2G weaponary?

@The SC

 

[The SC]

This is under-utilisation of the F-16 in the ADF version.

The other versions of F-16 can also carry 6 AAM plus A2G weaponary.

can F-16 ADF carry A2G weaponary?

@The SC

These are Air Defence Fighters used for air interception missions, its role is to protect against bombers and cruise missiles.. So the answer is no, but if it can be MLUed to near block 52 than it will be possible.

 

[Signalian]

These are Air Defence Fighters used for air interception missions, its role is to protect against bombers and cruise missiles.. So the answer is no, but if it can be MLUed to near block 52 than it will be possible.

Thank you for replying.

So just 6 hard points used, the rest could be occupied with drop tanks.

Next, not more than 6 AAM carried, one would think that since A2G weaponary is NOT involved, vacant hard points mean extra 2+ AAM, but thats not possible. Most common configuration would be:

F-16 TOTAL = 6 AAM
2 X AIM-9
4 X AIM-120
Probably 1 or 3 drop tanks for loitering during a CAP.
I think a jamming pod can be carried on centre line, not sure if PAF has it for ADF version

But consider other options available on CAP and not much difference again

JF-17 TOTAL = 6 AAM
2 X PL-9
4 X PL-12
1 X drop tank or mid air refuel during CAP

Mirage-III TOTAL = 4 AAM
4 X Aim-9
1 X drop tank or mid air refuel during CAP

F-7PG TOTAL = 4 AAM
4 X Aim-9
1 X drop tank

Even if PAF gets J-10, it cannot carry more than 6 AAM, J-31 can carry not more than 4 AAM internally. (correct me if im wrong).

This means PAF doesnt have an aircraft that can carry more than 6 AAM unless Multiple Ejector Rack (MER) is used, but I have not seen AAM on MERs.

This is PAF using MER, correct me if im wrong, all A2G weaponry on MER of this F-16 A?

This is a SEAD equipped F-16 CG below, any A2A weaponry on MERs?

As for the role of F-16 ADF, it could have multiple roles:

1. Escorting strike package
2. CAP's
3. AWACS escort
4. Air Refueller escort during war
5. Interception

But the significant role that these F-16 ADF can perform now is sharing the A2A warfare burden of 5,9,11 squadrons which can now focus more on A2G roles and conserve air-frame life for their F-16's.


I had been asking @Quwa @Windjammer but couldnt find answers.

 

[The SC]

I think you have found the answer in your last paragraph..

Now, take a look on this:

The F-16 ADF carries the Westinghouse AN/APG-66(V)1 radar, which was modified to improve small target detection and to provide the continous wave illumination needed by the Sparrow missile. Standard air-to-air modes are look up, look down, search and track, track while scan, automatic tracking, and air combat search. The AIM-7 Sparrow missile can be carried only on the middle underwing pylon, and even then only with pylons equipped with RDRC. The ADF is the only American Fighting Falcon with Sparrow capability. Hughes AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles are usually carried on the outboard underwing pylons, and AIM-9 Sidewinder infrared homing missiles are typically carried on the wingtips. Although it is not typical practice, either Sidewinders or AMRAAMS can be carried at the wingtip points and on the outermost pair of underwing pylons. The innermost pair of underwing pylons are reserved for 360 US gallon droptanks, and the centerline hardpoint can carry a 300 US gallong external fuel tank. The internal M61A1 20-mm cannon with 511 rounds is retained.

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f16_3c.html
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Boeing Touts New 16 Air-To-Air Missile Carrying F-15 Eagle Configurations

The annual Air Force Association conference will kick off outside of Washington next week, where Boeing is putting its latest and greatest combat aircraft developments on show for industry and Washington power brokers. This includes new F-15 configurations that allow the 43-year-old design to lug 16 air-to-air missiles into combat instead of the standard eight it carries today.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/boeings-touts-new-16-air-to-air-missile-carrying-f-15-e-1730258333http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/boeings-touts-new-16-air-to-air-missile-carrying-f-15-e-1730258333

 

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Adf or even simple block 5/10/15 were cappable of deploying agm65 missiles and other ground stores paf got it in 1980s which were before adf advent
Atlis laser pod and laser bomb were qualified on block 15 which is older then adf adf is just add on to previous block through ocu operator capability update

Of course it's needs update to take on sniper pod and other weapons such a s GPS and small diameter etc which in most case is software plus some hw upgrade

 

[Windjammer]

In recent months, three large similar Hangars seem to have been erected at Sargodha, Risalpur and Minawali.

 

[fatman17]

In recent months, three large similar Hangars seem to have been erected at Sargodha, Risalpur and Minawali.

To park Erieye and Karakoram Eagle when on missions.

 

[fatman17]

PAF war game Tempest-II ends

Staff Reporter

Islamabad—A concluding session on culmination of PAF exercise Tempest-II was held at Nur Khan Auditorium Air Headquarters, Islamabad on Thursday.
General Rashad Mahmood, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee was the chief guest at the occasion. Chief of the Army Staff, General Raheel Sharif, Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Zakaullah and Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force were also present at the session. Senior officers from tri-services also attended the concluding session.
While talking at the occasion, the Air Chief said that PAF, in synergy with sister services, has played an important role in the ongoing operation Zarb-e-Azb.
This operation has greatly contributed towards jointness and interoperability amongst the sister services and the coordination among them is better than ever.
The exercise has immensely contributed towards operational preparedness and our armed forces are at the highest level of operational readiness to take on any challenge, be it internal or external. CJCSC lauded the efforts of conducting this significant war game which will help in revolutionizing the latest war fighting concepts.
He further said that the exercise not only generated fruitful debates on strategy and planning but also proved to be an effective tool in identifying own strengths and challenges. The war game was based on the prevalent Concept of Operations of PAF and it helped in assessing the efficacy of Airpower in any future conflict.
This exercise would prove to be an important element of the PAF’s operational planning cycle and its outcome would assist PAF in campaign planning during war.

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan and China jointly produce JF-17B dual seat combat fighter aircraft

3 May 2016

Pakistan and China are jointly producing the JF-17B dual seat combat fighter aircraft to be inducted by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

Production of the multi-role combat aircraft was announced at an induction ceremony held at Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC) Chengdu, China.

Developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the CAC, the aircraft can be used for aerial reconnaissance, ground attack and aircraft interception.

"Developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the CAC, the aircraft can be used for aerial reconnaissance, ground attack and aircraft interception."

The PAF will induct the twin-seater version by April next year for training and enhanced operational capability.

Commenting on the project, PAF air marshal Muhammad Iqbal said that the dual seat aircraft is of great value for PAF in enhancing not only training value but also the operational capability and the induction of dual seat JF-17B aircraft would also improve its market prospects in future.

Iqbal also thanked Chinese leadership for their continuous support in the design, development and manufacturing phases of the JF-17 development project.

The aircraft will undergo testing in September this year.

The JF-17 aircraft was primarily developed to replace the PAF's fleet of Dassault Mirage III/5 fighters, Nanchang A-5 bombers, and Chengdu F-7 interceptors.

The PAF's first JF-17 aircraft was inducted in February 2010.

As of December 2015, 49 JF-17 Thunder aircraft were in service with 50 additional airframes ordered, of which 17 have been delivered.

Image: Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder. Photo: courtesy of Aldo Bidini.

 

[fatman17]

Anatolian Eagle 2016 | Turkey

In parallel with EFES 2016, Turkey also commenced its marquee fighter training exercise, Anatolian Eagle, on 31 May. A large-scale exercise, comparable in scope to Red Flag, Anatolian Eagle has two components: a national element involving only the Turkish military, and a multi-national portion including a number of countries with whom the Turkish maintains defence ties. Anatolian Eagle 2016 will involve participants from Saudi Arabia, Australia, Pakistan, Italy, Azerbaijan, and the Netherlands. For 2016, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is sending six F-16s (from its No 11 “Arrows” squadron) and 90 personnel comprised of pilots, engineers and technicians.

Comment and Analysis

There are at least two kinds of multi-national exercises: routine and intensive programs meant for training and exposure, and political demonstrations. The former is the most interesting in that the participants, especially their operational-level personnel, have an opportunity to directly interact and learn from one another. It is through such exercises that organizations from different countries are able to gradually build professional relationships, which in turn can transform into long-lasting training programs and initiatives.

A good example is that of Turkey and Pakistan. Not only has Pakistan frequently participated in Anatolian Eagle (since being invited in 2004), but now, the Turkish Air Force and the Pakistan Air Force have managed to sign onto a formal training exchange program. Furthermore, the Turkish Air Force has even participated in exercises in Pakistan, such as Indus Viper and TUSAP Raiders. All things considered, there is no doubt that Pakistan is accruing valuable insight into the standards and procedures at play in modern air forces, especially those belonging to NATO.

 

[fatman17]

Air Force: Pakistan, Turkey sign MoU for training pilots

By APP

Published: June 18, 2015

PHOTO: Pakistan Embassy Ankara

TURKEY:

Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force (PAF), Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Turkish Air Force at the opening ceremony of Multinational Military Flight Crew Training (MMFCT) Centre on Wednesday.

Both the air forces have agreed to exchange two pilots for training every year. This would enhance the bilateral relations at a grass root level.

According to PAF, the main purpose of Multinational Military Flight Crew Training Centre (MMFCT-C) is to provide comprehensive training solutions to Fighter Pilots of Allies and to develop flight training tactics and techniques in line with Nato operational requirements.

It would also hone the interoperability amongst allies and partners for future operations and exercises.

The air chief also visited the Headquarters of Turkish Air Force.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 18th, 2015.

 

[fatman17]

Crashed Pakistan Air Force UAV Appears to be Chinese Wing Loong

Posted on 20 June, 2016


Wreckage of the Pakistan Air Force UAV which crashed on Saturday during a sortie from Mainwali. It appears to be a Chinese Wing Loong, a type not previously known to be in PAF service.

AN UNMANNED air vehicle operated by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) crashed on June 18 in an uninhabited location in the Head Pakka area of Mianwali district. It came down as a result of a technical malfunction after take-off from PAF Base Mianwali.

The crash site was about 4 miles (6km) from the air base. The UAV was said to be on a sortie to monitor areas of flooding in the region. Photographs of the wreckage show that it appears to be a Chinese Chengdu Wing Loong/Pterodactyl medium-altitude long-range UAV, a type not previously known to be in the PAF inventory. AFD-Dave Allport

 

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UAV/UCAV II

WD-1K Wing Loong


A WD-1K UCAV was preparing for the 2015 VJ Day Parade in Beijing. This medium altitude long endurance (MALE) UCAV similar to American MQ-1Predator has been developed by the 611 Institute/CAC/GAAC since 2005 known asWing Loong I/Pterosaur I. First flight took place in October 2007. It features a head bulge which houses a SATCOM antenna, which allows the UCAV to communicate with the ground control station via a satellite, a communication relay UAV, or direct signal transmission. An EO turret(Loong Eye?) housing FLIR/TV/laser range finder/laser designator is mounted under its nose for tracking and locking on ground targets in poor weather conditions. As the result the UCAV can not only direct the missiles launched by itself, but also guide the PGMs launched by other aircraft or by the ground force. It is powered by a 100hpROTAX 914 piston engine. The UCAV normally carries two KD-9 laser guided ATGMs as its primary weapon. It can also carry two PL-90 IR guided AAMs against slow moving aerial targets such as helicopters. In 2011 UAE was believed to have become the first foreign customer ofWing Loong I. Saudi Arabia is also believed to have acquired Wing Loong I in 2014, armed with BA-7 ATGMs. More Wing Loong Is were produced for new foreigncustomers. Two were reportedly delivered to Kazakhstan in March 2016. Pakistani AF is also believed to have been evaluatingWing Loong during mid-2016. A recent image taken during the SCO Peace Mission 2014 military exercise confirmed that the UCAV called WD-1K/GJ-1 has been in service with PLAAF Flight Test & Training Base as its first operational UCAV (S/N 76x2x). Some specifications: weight 1,100kg, max speed 280km/hr, range 4,000km, endurance 20hr, service ceiling 5,000m, weapon load 200kg.Recent news (September 2015) indicated that a bigger and more powerful UCAV called Wing Loong II is currently under development at the 611 Institute. Aprototype may have already flown. It is powered by a new turboprop engine (WJ-9? 456kW) and can carry up to 12 ATGMs.

- Last Updated 6/19/16

 

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Wing Loong