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[TOPGUN]

If the deal formalises it will be for 18 aircraft initially

Is this really in the works ??

 

[mingle]

If the deal formalises it will be for 18 aircraft initially

Fatman sir means era of F 16s is over .

 

[TOPGUN]

Fatman sir means era of F 16s is over .

Actually, the f-16 era is not over yet I can tell you that much PAF still wants to get their hands on more vipers from what I understand it just might not be 18 more blk 52's and may end up being 18 J-10B as Fatman stated .

 

[Thorough Pro]

Probably the project was abandoned a while back.

Any news on this. Has it been deployed.

 

[mingle]

Actually, the f-16 era is not over yet I can tell you that much PAF still wants to get their hands on more vipers from what I understand it just might not be 18 more blk 52's and may end up being 18 J-10B as Fatman stated .

Thanks that what I meant .may not be new ones but used airframe may be but if we start fc20 to induct then number will not be 18 will go up down the road .

 

[fatman17]

Fatman sir means era of F 16s is over .

Not necessarily. Just have to wait for the right moment to strike such deals e.g Cobra AH1Z deal

 

[fatman17]

Is this really in the works ??

I always felt that the stumbling block in any J10B deal was the export permission for the engine. Now it appears that Russia has granted the export permit coupled with the progress on the WS 10B engine makes this an interesting situation.

 

[Quwa]

If the deal formalises it will be for 18 aircraft initially

I don't think PAF will order J-10B. It has already set up the infrastructure for the Block-52+, it's likely that any new fighter would likely be the still floating option for 18 more. Not to mention surplus F-16s

 

[fatman17]

I don't think PAF will order J-10B. It has already set up the infrastructure for the Block-52+, it's likely that any new fighter would likely be the still floating option for 18 more. Not to mention surplus F-16s

One source indicated that the Pentagon / State Department feel getting congressional approval for F16s at this time could be difficult.

 

[Quwa]

One source indicated that the Pentagon / State Department feel getting congressional approval for F16s at this time could be difficult.

To be honest there are times when congress can be whipped into approving something against the house of representives' immediate interests. U.S strategic interests absolutely require that the bridge in Pakistan be maintained, and a key pillar of that bridge is the F-16. If the U.S fails at maintaining that bridge, then that's it, they'll begin losing the support of their Pakistan interlocutors in no time. If you back U.S and not F-16s, then it means you're giving the U.S everything, and getting absolutely nothing in returns, "peanuts" ...

 

[Donatello]

One source indicated that the Pentagon / State Department feel getting congressional approval for F16s at this time could be difficult.

That is very surprising, considering J-10B already brings a better overall package to Pakistan, i.e. AESA and IRST that even the BLK52s lack.....so if Pakistan is denied the F-16s it can go elsewhere, and that is a couple of billion USD loss for the US manufacturer. However, that aside, how the heck did they approve the AH-1Z.....since that is something that Pakistan clearly does not possess....along with 1000 Hellfires, knowing very well those are not for the talibunnies........and the word is that they have request 20 more AH-1Zs for a potential later order.

Whatever the case, another couple of squadrons of a medium fighter is surely needed....whether F-16s or J-10Bs....it's just that J-10Bs give you the infinite possibility to upgrade and use them as you want.
Imagine twin or triple mounted cruise missiles on that thing!!!!

 

[fatman17]

To be honest there are times when congress can be whipped into approving something against the house of representives' immediate interests. U.S strategic interests absolutely require that the bridge in Pakistan be maintained, and a key pillar of that bridge is the F-16. If the U.S fails at maintaining that bridge, then that's it, they'll begin losing the support of their Pakistan interlocutors in no time. If you back U.S and not F-16s, then it means you're giving the U.S everything, and getting absolutely nothing in returns, "peanuts" ...

If the funds are available as they seem to be, Pakistani govt should have exercised / picked up the pending option as a top priority I would have thought but all is quiet on this particular front. All F16s in the past were purchased by Pakistan sovereign funds except the MLU was a FMS / grant aid.

 

[fatman17]

Name of Aircraft
Tenure

A-5
1983 To Date


AERO-COMMANDER
1966 - 1968


ALOUETTE-III
1967 To Date


ATTACKER
1950 - 1956


AUSTER
1947 - 1961


B-56
1966 - 1969


B-57
1957 - 1988


BOEING 707
1986 To Date


BRISTOL FREIGHTER
1949 - 1966


CN-235
2001 To Date


Citation XL
2005 To Date

DAKOTA
1947 - 1955

DOVE
1949 - 1961

F-16
1983 To Date

F-6
1966 - 2002

F-7P
1990 To Date

DA-20 FALCON
1973 To Date

F-27 FOKKER
1965 To Date

HALIFAX
1948 - 1954

HARVARD T-6G
1947 - 1975

MI-17
1967 To Date

HERCULES C-130
1963 To Date

KARAKORUM-8
1995 To Date

MIRAGE
1968 To Date

MUSHSHAK MFI-17
1974 To Date

T-33
1955 - 1993

F-86 SABRE
1956 - 1979

F-104 STAR FIGHTER
1961 - 1972

T-37
1962 To Date

TEMPEST
1947 - 1956

TIGER MOTH
1947 - 1957

TRIDENT
1967 - 1967

VIKING
1948 - 1960

VISCOUNT
1956 - 1968

Y-12
1996 To Date

JF-17 THUNDER
2005 To Date

 

[fatman17]

PAKISTAN AIR FORCE BASES =4
There are roughly 30 airfields at which Pakistani nuclear-equiped aircraft could be based, vastly complicating Indian counterforce attack planning.

* Major Operational Bases are fully functional bases from which aircraft operate during peacetime.

* Forward Operational Bases are active during peacetime and become fully operational during wartime.

* Satellite bases are used for emergency landing and recovery of aircraft during both peacetime and wartime.

Airbase Locale Type Squadron Command Aircraft AC #

PAF Bhagtanwala sat
PAF Chaklala MOB
PAF Chander sat
PAF Chuk Jhumra sat
PAF Faisal Karachi MOB
PAF Gwadar sat
PAF Kohat sat
PAF Lahore Lahore FOB
PAF Masroor MOB
PAF Mianwali MOB
PAF Minhas Kamra MOB
PAF Mirpur Khas FOB
PAF Multan Multan FOB
PAF Murid FOB
PAF Nawabshah FOB
PAF Ormara sat
PAF Pasni FOB
PAF Peshawar Peshawar MOB
PAF Rafiqui Shorkot MOB
PAF Rahim Yar Khan sat
PAF Rajanpur sat
PAF Risalewala FaisalabadFOB
PAF Risalpur MOB
PAF Samungli Quetta MOB
PAF Sargodha Sargodha MOB
PAF Shahbaz JacobabadMOB
PAF Sindhri sat
PAF Sukkur FOB
PAF Talhar FOB
PAF Vihari FOB

SOURCE: * PAF Bases PAF Organization & Structure Pakistan Institute for Air Defence Studies.

 

[HRK]

MLU was a FMS / grant aid.

Sir jee partially paid by FMF /grants (I think 35% or 40% )
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EDIT: its 53%.