Pakistan-A real market for the Mirage 2000-9 ?

[SBD-3]

Dont forget that F-7PGs are not going to be retired soon so that will make it F7PG, Jf-17, FC-20, F-16 and Mirage-2000

As for india i don't think they will be going for m2k9s as they already have many options to play around like the still ongoing induction of mki, future mrca , LCA and then FGFA , apart from LCA rest of there aircrafts are or are going to be better than m2k9s, so i don't see india going for them , already there many deals are lingering around with price kept hiking due to inflation factor ,

I think they were already talking about possible expansion in MMRCA tender as fallback for PAK-FA.

 

[Raje amar]

Why are you always quick to jump onto the conclusion without having a proper look at what the post holds?

the 10 billion cost of Rafale includes just the aircraft and not any related equipment or spare parts while the 36 f-16 c/d block 52 deal for Pakistan costed 3 billion and not 3.1 billion US dollars and the whole package in those 3 billions include hell alot of other equipment , like

7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare (ALQ-211 AIDEW) Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM
1 Unit Level Trainer
Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.


Now you do your math carefully ,

By going with your price tag of Rafale even there were news of F-35s offered to india at a stated price of around 65 million each ,but that was just for the aircraft ,there were other hell of things needed along with the basic gadget and that resulted to a fly away price of f-35 to be 122 milliuon US dollars for F-35A

And next time don't bring this word "BS" for other's posts when you yourself have enough amount of "BS" in your own post

The point is you are trying everything to prove m-2000 a winner by ignoring the real facts like you did above in case of pricing , so grapes are sour for you and not for anyone else

you need to corect cirton things here.
$10b is the lifetime cost & involves all the maintenance spares, training & may be upgrades.
also $10 b was fisible may be 5years back, they may cost upwards of $14b today
the wepons pack will be that need to be paied extra.

 

[Mani2020]

I think they were already talking about possible expansion in MMRCA tender as fallback for PAK-FA.

but that was for the the winner of the MRCA and not for a separate aircraft

 

[IND151]

^^
Wrong thread perhaps ?

no. you didn't get it.

the guy is PAF.

his wife is f 16.

the beautiful woman is mirage 2000.

mastan is criticizing PAF for not buying mirage 2000

 

[Luftwaffe]

$10 b was fisible may be 5years back, they may cost upwards of $14b today
the wepons pack will be that need to be paied extra.

Even still it is a lucrative deal of the century.

 

[deckingraj]

Even still it is a lucrative deal of the century.

Well actually it doesn't matter about being lucrative or not...IAF need these machines and fortunately we have money to spend...b/w i see there is one flaw in your argument...You cannot compare cost of 18 machines with 126-200...It is no rocket science that more you order the less would be per item cost....no???

 

[PakShaheen79]

guys! It would be really appreciated if we stick to the discussion at hand.

 

[Dazzler]

Why the same discussion again when PAF has no intention or room or money to buy them? This was discussed to death in another thread. PAF future is pretty much evident. JFT, FC-20 and the Chinese single engine Stealth being developed.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Why the same discussion again when PAF has no intention or room or money to buy them? This was discussed to death in another thread. PAF future is pretty much evident. JFT, FC-20 and the Chinese single engine Stealth being developed.

There is no evidence of a single engine stealth is going to land in Pakistan first PAF has to go through JFTs which are procured on a soft loans a long way down and wait till first J-10B is delivered and squadrons a long way down the road and then perhaps over a decade or more towards stealth.

The discussion will not end until the culprits in charge of the deals are prosecuted for the negligence, criminals must not slip away the law says so, there should be no NRO for Armed Forces.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Why the same discussion again when PAF has no intention or room or money to buy them? This was discussed to death in another thread. PAF future is pretty much evident. JFT, FC-20 and the Chinese single engine Stealth being developed.

I think NEED must also be included in your first sentence. NOW, at present PAF really don't need them. Last i heard These very mirages of Qatar AF were participating in missions in Libya, so i don't see they would be retired v soon in any case.

 

[niaz]

After the F-16 ordered by Pakistan were sanctioned about 20 odd years back PAF wanted Mirage 2000 as an alternate. We had discussions with France a few times but found the planes to be too expensive and no progress was made. Mirage 2000 was the plane of the 80’ and the 90’s. Now we have better alternatives available from China.

I can’t see the advantage in belabouring the point.

 

[Mani2020]

After the F-16 ordered by Pakistan were sanctioned about 20 odd years back PAF wanted Mirage 2000 as an alternate. We had discussions with France a few times but found the planes to be too expensive and no progress was made. Mirage 2000 was the plane of the 80’ and the 90’s. Now we have better alternatives available from China.

I can’t see the advantage in belabouring the point.

be ready for the pro-mirage members to twist your point and start discussion again by hook or crook

 

[lem34]

Pakistan is in the market for mangoes not mirages.

 

[MastanKhan]

After the F-16 ordered by Pakistan were sanctioned about 20 odd years back PAF wanted Mirage 2000 as an alternate. We had discussions with France a few times but found the planes to be too expensive and no progress was made. Mirage 2000 was the plane of the 80’ and the 90’s. Now we have better alternatives available from China.

I can’t see the advantage in belabouring the point.

So Niaz,

It is gets very funny to read when pakistanis say that there was not enough money---or it is too expensive---well lets take a local example for every day sindhi village in inner sindh----.

Highway robbers ( dacoits ) are common in sindh----robberies at gun point are common----band of robbers/highway men ( dacoits ) well equipped with guns attack individual villages and take away the cattle----so what these poor villagers do----they beg, borrow, save and starve to buy over priced AK47's to protect their villages-----.

Pakistanis care more about protecting their personal properties rather than the national integrity.

Also, isn't there an engine issue with the FC20 --- please people---don't bet on ifs and whens---bets on sure things----.

A STITCH IN TIME SAVES NINE------remember the bofors 155mm howitzers----they were also deemed very expensive and un-suitable-----till they were put to task under worst possible conditions at the end of their life cycle.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am suprised that this imaginary plane is still being debated when we all know its pipe dreams