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So Niaz,
It is gets very funny to read when pakistanis say that there was not enough money---or it is too expensive---well lets take a local example for every day sindhi village in inner sindh----.
Highway robbers ( dacoits ) are common in sindh----robberies at gun point are common----band of robbers/highway men ( dacoits ) well equipped with guns attack individual villages and take away the cattle----so what these poor villagers do----they beg, borrow, save and starve to buy over priced AK47's to protect their villages-----.
Pakistanis care more about protecting their personal properties rather than the national integrity.
Sorry sir MK,
I cannot concur with the analogy you presented here. Buying an AK-47 and a fighter jet are two entirely different propositions. Though i agree with what did u say about how Pakistanis care more about themselves but here again you cannot paint the whole nation with same brush. I think we paid a heavy price already and stayed on the edge of vulnerability for decades but invested in our own projects and that was the best thing happen to PAF and Pakistan. i don't care what people say about foreign stuff, but i have all the faith in JFT and FC-20.
Sir, You should care----because weapons systems are not based on FAITH-BELIEF or RELIGION---they are based on the principal of performing better than your enemy weapons under adverse and strenuous conditions. It is all about ' DUE DILLIGENCE'---that you know that you have done your job right before you encounter the enemy..
I have been on this forum from quite sometime and have read your posts on this particular subject.I believe understand your POV very well...In fact most of the time i am in agreement with you...
However let me ask few questions here... What is the criteria of due-diligence...Is it weapon by weapon, wing by wing or in totality???
would you agree if i say that in 2003 showdown IAF had quite an edge over their counterparts PAF??? However if you see the results India was detered by Pakistan...Now was it a self deteration(economy/cost vs benefits) or Pakistan firepower that is a different topic to debate but end result is India was detered....So let's jump from 2011 to 2016-2017 era....Do you still think that investing in JF-17, FC-20 was a mistake??? because by then both these platforms would be much more lethal...PAF would have got a good hang of JF-17 as well...In short you would have a lethal sanction free platform...Do you agree that then perhaps this deal will not look as bad as it is now???
france refused to povide avionics for jf-17 under indian pressure n now they want to sell old mirages to pakistan.we dont need their mirages anymore.
india will be the first country going for rafale probably because of political reasons.UAE rejected rafale initially n got blk 60 F-16s n there r grim chances that they will buy rafales.blk 60 falcon is less costly n almost equally effective as compare to rafale
I think Pakistan should never buy anything from from French anymore. These backstabbing Bas___ds have always screwed Pakistan and their hardware is way too overpriced. I still have not forgotten when these Goons took 500 Million USD of our money and then reneged on the agreement to sell a reprocessing plant in Z A Bhutto's time. For the longest time we were at the mercy of these hoodlums, but now we have China who is glad to fill in all of our Defence needs. Thank you China, we really appreciate your help.
Sir,
You should care----because weapons systems are not based on FAITH-BELIEF or RELIGION---they are based on the principal of performing better than your enemy weapons under adverse and strenuous conditions. It is all about ' DUE DILLIGENCE'---that you know that you have done your job right before you encounter the enemy.
The term ' I have faith ' is a fallacy and based on the habbit of those who have not done their job in time---were caught sleeping at their job---were clueless to the terrible consequences the nation would face in the future---and when confronted for their lackluster approach----bring in "FAITH" to compensate for their errors.
The heart of the JF 17 is the russian engine---which even with all the promises is still prone to sanctions in case of emergency--
The FC20 is awaiting a brand new engine to be cleared for flight operations----an un-certified engine at that
chinese have a tradition of of flying with uncertified engines on their millitary aircraft----unlike their western counterparts---the chinese millitary engines are certified during actual in service operations----. I don't know if you know or understand about certification or not----or how many members on this board understand that part-----if you do---then good for you and dthere was no disrespect meant.