Pak believes that attacking India is their birth right,eent ka jawaab patthar se dena hoga: Parrikar

[dadeechi]

An Indian Dagger

When I heard these words, I found them to be in accordance with the rules of war, and I immediately directed the commanders to proclaim throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and that whoever neglected to do so, should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the champions of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. One hundred thousand infidels, impious idolaters, were slain on that day. Maulana Nasir-ad-din Omar, a counsellor and man of learning, who had never killed a sparrow in all his life, now, in execution of my order, killed fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives.

After all the vile idolaters had been despatched, I gave orders that one man out of every ten should be told off to guard the property, cattle, and horses which had been captured in the invasion, while all the other soldiers were to march with me. At the time of midday prayer the signal was given for the march, and I proceeded to the spot selected for crossing the Jumna, and there encamped. The astrologers who accompanied the army consulted their books and almanacs as to the time propitious for battle, and they represented that the aspects of the stars made a short delay advisable. In all matters, small and great, I placed my reliance on the favour and kindness of God, and I knew that victory and conquest, defeat and flight,



Gateway of the mosque of Ala-ad-din at Delhi

and their colleagues met it with a brave and resolute resistance. While they were thus engaged, Daulat Timur Tawachi, Mangali Khwaja, and other amirs came up with their respective forces and assailed the enemy.

I now gave the order to a party of brave fellows who were in attendance upon me, and they cut their way to the sides of the amirs, who were fighting in the forefront of the battle. They brought the elephant drivers to the ground with their arrows and killed them, after which they attacked and wounded the elephants with their swords. The soldiers of Sultan Mahmud and Mallu Khan showed no lack of courage, and bore themselves manfully in the fight, but they could not withstand the successive onslaughts of my



Tomb of Firoz Shah at Delhi

wishes for the continuance of my prosperity and the prolongation of my reign.

I called up the heavy baggage and formed my camp, issuing orders for my soldiers to be very cautious and watchful.

After their defeat, Sultan Mahmud and Mallu Khan, in wretched plight, had taken refuge in the fort. They now repented of the course they had taken, and regretted that they had not made submission to me and thus avoided the evil which had befallen them.



Approach to the Palace at Udaipur

The city of Udaipur, situated upon the most beautiful lake in Rajputana, is an old-time capital of the Rajputs who waged gallant warfare against the Moslems. The Royal Palace, rising from the edge of the lake, is conspicuous because of the octagonal towers capped by cupolas, which crown its heavy granite and marble walls.

They saw that if they remained in the fort, they would be captured and made prisoners, so in the middle of that night, the seventh of Rabi’-al-akhir (Dec. 17), Sultan Mahmud and Mallu Khan left the fort of Jahanpanah and fled toward the mountains and jungles.

As soon as I heard of this, I immediately sent Amir Sa’id and other officers in pursuit. They followed with all speed, and coming up with the fugitives, they killed many of them and obtained great booty. Malik Sharf-ad-din and Malik Khudai-dad, sons of Rashid Mallu Khan, were taken prisoners, with many others, and brought back to my camp. On the same night that I heard of the flight of the Sultan and his generals from Delhi, I sent Amir Allah-dad and other officers to watch the gate of, Hauz-rani, through which Mahmud had escaped, and that of Baraka, by which Mallu Khan had gone out. I also sent men to all the other gates, with orders to prevent the inhabitants from escaping.

I then mounted my horse and rode toward the gate of the public square, alighting at the ‘id-gah, or court of celebrations and festivities, a lofty and extensive building, where I directed my throne to be set up. I took my seat upon the throne and held a court, which was attended by Sayyids, the judges, the learned Mussulmans, the shaikhs, and the great men and chiefs. I had them introduced one by one, whereupon they made their obeisances and were admitted to the honour of kissing my throne. I received every one of them with respect and kindness, and directed them to be seated. Fazl-allah Balkhi was viceroy and deputy of



Hindu women

flames of war had risen too high for this precaution to be of any avail in extinguishing them.

All day Thursday and throughout the night, nearly fifteen thousand Turks were engaged in slaying, plundering, and destroying.

When Friday morning dawned, my entire army, no longer under control, went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering, and making prisoners. The sack was general during the whole day, and continued throughout the following day, Saturday, the



Mausoleum of Timur at Samarkand

accordingly some thousands of craftsmen were bidden to await my command All these I distributed among the princes and amirs who were present, or who were officially engaged in other parts of my dominions.

I had determined to build a Jami’ Masjid in Samarkand, the seat of my empire, which should be without a rival in any country; and for this reason I ordered that all builders and stone-masons should be set apart for my own especial service.



Interior of Timur’s tomb at Samarkand

of Sayyids, lawyers, shaikhs, and other principal Mussulmans, together with the inhabitants of their parts of the city, to whom they had been a protection and defence. I called them to my presence, consoled them, treated them with every respect, and bestowed upon them many presents and honours. I also appointed an officer to protect their quarter of the city, and guard them against annoyance, after which I remounted and returned to my quarters.

After spending fifteen days at Delhi, passing my time in pleasure and enjoyment, and in holding royal courts and giving great feasts, I reflected that I had come to Hindustan to war against infidels, and that my enterprise had been so blessed that wherever I had gone I had been victorious. I had triumphed over my adversaries, I had put to death hundreds of thousands of infidels and idolaters, I had dyed my proselyting sword with the blood of the enemies of the Faith, and now that I had gained this crowning victory, I felt that I ought not to indulge in ease, but rather to exert myself still further in warring against the infidels of Hindustan. Having made these reflections, on the twenty-second of Rabi’-al-akhir, 800 A.H. (Jan. 1,

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1399 A.D.), I again drew my sword to wage a religious war.

Timur’s memoirs then proceed to describe his taking of Mirat by storm, his frightful slaughter of the inhabitants, his capture of Hardwar, and his devastation of the territory along the Ganges, until he turned his army on the homeward march to Samarkand, fighting his way at every step until he left India.

http://www.ibiblio.org/britishraj/Jackson5/chapter09.html

 

[OrionHunter]

It's akhand bharat mentality which is not letting Indians live in peace
Pakistan is not your land, you better forget it

This is NOT about so called Akhand Bharat (Whatever that is!). It's about the Pak psyche of trying to dismember India with a thousand cuts! Is it due to insecurity? Probably.

 

[dadeechi]

Basically its called evolution. When a better idea comes along the way, people generally ditch the old idea for the new. Basically these people were just fed up on the caste system and jumped ship to a religion which promises equality to all who practice the religion by the book. Why would any idiot consider himself to be inferior to another just because some sweaty men chanting some gibberish to some idols told them so.

That is where your argument is flawed. Kushan empire was primarily a Buddhist kingdom. It believes in atheism and equality for all. You left Hinduism and were practicing Buddhism by time Islamic invasions started.

 

[Su-11]

You mean to say that Dharmic people were lucky to survive ?

Chapter 9 – Timur’s Account of His Invasion of India and Sack of Delhi
1398–1399 A.D.
After his victorious sweep over Persia and Mesopotamia to Asia Minor on the west, and his occupation of Afghanistan on the south, Timur Lang, or Tamerlane, the great conqueror, turned his attention to India as the next country in which to wage a holy war and from which to carry away rich spoils sanctified by religion. China also had attracted his eye, so that his mind wavered for a moment as to which country he should invade, but an omen from the Koran settled his decision, and he determined to make the expedition against Hindustan. We have a somewhat detailed account of his campaign recorded in autobiographic memoirs which he caused to be written down, and a translation of these, made from the Turkish language into Persian two centuries after his death, serves as a valuable record of the great conqueror’s exploits,



The River Indus at Khushalgarh

infidels of Hindustan or of China.

At first they repeated fables and wise sayings, and then said that in the country of Hindustan there are four defences, and if any one invades this extensive country and breaks down these four defences, he becomes the conqueror of the land.



Shah Timur

(From an old Persian print.)

and settlement of this kingdom, I turned my thoughts toward the acquisition of some of the provinces of Hindustan. I inquired concerning the condition of that country and received the following account: that the city of Delhi is the capital of the sovereigns of India, and that after the death of Sultan Firoz Shah, two brothers among his nobility, one of whom was named Mallu and the other Sarang, became very powerful and established their independence; so that though they gave the nominal sovereignty to one of the sons of Sultan Firoz Shah, Sultan Mahmud by name, they kept the real power in their own hands and virtually governed the empire. Mallu, the elder brother, lives at Delhi, at the court of Sultan Mahmud, while Sarang is established in the city of Multan for the protection of that country.

“When I became acquainted with these matters, I acted according to the practice of the great king, and wrote a letter which I sent to Sarang by an ambassador, declaring that since the fame of the victories and conquests and of the extensive empire of the great king

3. Setting spurs to my horse, I marched forward in great haste, accomplishing two days’ journey within twenty-four hours. When I arrived at a place called Paryan, I detached Prince Rustam and Burhan Aghlan Jujitar, who were reckoned among my chief nobles, to invade



Ruins at Kabul

the country of the Siyah-poshes, which lay on the left hand. With them I sent some of the nobility and a body of ten thousand cavalry, while I myself pursued my march toward the mountains of Kator.

When I made inquiries concerning the extent and condition of that kingdom from Muzid, who was the chief man of Indarab, he informed me that the length of the kingdom of Kator stretches from the frontier of Kashmir to the mountains of Kabul, and that there are many towns and villages in this country. One of their large cities is called Shokal, and another Jorkal, the latter being the residence of their ruler. The country produces fruit in large quantities, such as grapes, apples, apricots, and various other kinds. Rice and other grains are cultivated. Much wine is made, and all people, great and small, drink of it. The people eat swine’s flesh, and cattle and sheep abound in the country. Most of the inhabitants are idolaters; they are men of a powerful frame and fair complexion, and speak a language distinct from Turkish, Persian, nindi, and Kashmiri. Their weapons are arrows, swords, and slings, and their ruler is called Adalshu.

When I arrived at Khawak, I perceived a dilapidated fort which I resolved to repair. I therefore gave immediate orders to the soldiers to, that effect, and they were speedily executed. As most of the route was rocky and precipitous, I ordered most of the nobles and all the soldiers to leave their horses, camels, and superfluous baggage in this fort. In obedience to this order, most of the nobles and all the soldiers accompanied



An Afghan fortress

me on foot, while I, relying on the assistance of Almighty God, pressed steadily forward to the conquest of Kator and began to ascend the mountains. Despite the heat of the wind, there was so much snow on the hills that the feet of both men and cattle sank in it helplessly.

I was obliged, therefore, to halt during the day; but at night, when the snow congealed, I pursued my way over the frozen surface of the ice till I reached the top of the mountain. At daybreak, when the ice thawed, carpets and horse-rugs were spread upon its surface and the horses were kept upon them. At nightfall we again proceeded as before, and in this manner I crossed several lofty mountains, although



An Afghan Pass

lofty mountains full of snow and ice and passing through narrow defiles, rolling in many places over precipices and sliding over the icy surface, they finally got out of the mountains and into the open country.

When Mohammad Azad had extricated himself from the mountains and reached the fortress of the Siyahposhes, he found it deserted, for they had abandoned it from their dread of the army of Islam and had taken refuge in their mountain defiles.



all heretics, idolaters, infidels, and misbelievers. They had now set fire to their houses and had fled with their children and property toward Delhi, so that the whole country was deserted.

On the next day, the twenty-third of the month, I started from the fort of Aspandi, and after marching six leagues, arrived at the village of Taghlak-pur, at which I encamped opposite the fort of that same name. When the people of the fort had heard of the approach of my army, they had abandoned it and scattered throughout the country. From the information supplied me I learned that these people were called Sanawi [that is, Fire-worshippers, Zoroastrians, or Ghebers]. Many of this perverse creed believe that there are two gods. One is called Yazdan, and all the good they have they believe proceeds from him. The other god they call Ahriman, and every sin and wickedness of which they are guilty they hold is caused by him. These misbelievers



Mussulman priests of India

been told that in the fight one would take up a horseman and his horse with his trunk and hurl them in the air, but these stories, fortunately, had been met by suitable answers from some of the bold troopers.

The Council of War at length agreed that a plentiful supply of grain must first be secured and stored in the fort of Loni as provision for the army, and that after this was done, we might proceed to attack the fort and city of Delhi. When the council was over, I ordered Amir Jahan Shah, Amir Sulaiman Shah, and others to cross the Jumna and to forage in the environs of Delhi, bringing off all the corn they could find for the use of the army.



Mohammedan armour

their operations. When I had finished, the amirs and others testified their approbation, and, carefully treasuring up my counsel, they departed, expressing their blessings and thanks.

At this court Amir Jahan Shah, Amir Sulaiman Shah, and other amirs of experience informed me that, from the time of entering Hindustan up to the present we had taken more than one hundred thousand infidels and Hindus prisoners, and that they were all in my camp. On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces attacked us, the prisoners made signs of rejoicing, uttered imprecations against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard of the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength. I asked the amirs for advice about the prisoners, and they said that on the day of battle these one hundred thousand prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty, so that no course remained but to make them all food for the sword.

Hindus are lucky. With all this rona dhona, go check out what happened to the Jews. They were almost wiped out everywhere they were during those times. If Hindus got the same treatment as jews, India's religious mix would have been a lot different. What would the people have done if the mughals basically started a genocide like with the jews unless Hindus converted? Absolutely Nothing.

That is where your argument is flawed. Kushan empire was primarily a Buddhist kingdom. It believes in atheism and equality for all. You left Hinduism and were practicing Buddhism by time Islamic invasions started.

Even Asoka Empire started propagating Buddhism but that doesn't mean most people were buddhists. The problem with buddhism is unlike Islam and Hinduism which invokes threats to convert(swords and being labelled shudras respectively), buddhism is a Humanistic religion and doesn't threaten the people to convert. So Eventhough the kingdom might have been buddhists, most people might be following Hinduism. Basically a combination of getting sick of caste system and threats from Islam would have been the ingredients. Choosing the lesser of the two evils would be the motive.

 

[Hellfire]

What he doesn't realise is that he is on a slippery slope the moment he brings in that argument- in that Hinduism is not a native to the subcontinent as well.

Most inaccurate,sir. Indeed, this is the only major religious philosophy to originate in the general area of Indus valley civilization comprising the modern day Pakistan and Rajasthan-Gujarat.

Hinduism is the amalgamation of the religious beliefs of the Dravidians with the invading/migrating Aryans who began settling in the region.

And it is not a religion in the true sense either, but then, that is a different point.

The relevant paragraph

In the course of the second millennium B.C.E., remnants of the IVC's culture will have amalgamated with that of other peoples, likely contributing to what eventually resulted in the rise of historical Hinduism. Judging from the abundant figurines depicting female fertility that they left behind, indicate worship of a Mother goddess (compare Shakti and Kali). IVC seals depict animals, perhaps as the object of veneration, comparable to the zoomorphic aspects of some Hindu gods. Seals resembling Pashupati in a yogic posture have also been discovered.

source: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Indus_Valley_Civilization

The Aryans are nomads who came from outside the subcontinent, and brought with them their religion and their language Sanskrit. The original inhabitants of the subcontinent are the Indus valley people(who were most likely dravidians), and the dravidians who inhabit the south, and the shudras of the north India, and the east India mongoloids. The rest are all immigrants(who generally speak derivatives of the Sanskrit language) and are not natives to the land.

The bold red portion is again an incorrect statement. That is the fourth of the varna system as introduced by the Aryans.

for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shudra

Thanks

I personally do not like the concept of nation states; I prefer Dar-ul-Islam. I feel this is the work of the Anti-Christ in deceiving Mankind into committing blasphemy. Ottoman Empire was not a nation state even thought it was not a great example of Dar-ul-Islam. Turkey post Caliphate is another creature.

Personal opinions notwithstanding, if you would analyse the concept of 'rise of nation states' what will be your commentary on these countries?

Personally speaking, Dar ul Islam itself should be limited to its existential boundaries and if everyone agrees be made into a state. Provided the thus formed state does not claim areas not originally under the dar-ul-islam territories as the rise of Islamic states has exactly followed the concept of rise of nation states, with the most minor of difference being religious thought and limits itself to the founding regions ... and excludes territories as acquired or brought under influence with wars/invasions.

And blasphemy is pretty much a concept that is again for one's own self to decide. The holy Koran talks of the concept of 'the God' and not one god or any other such concept, so does the religious scripture of any other religion.

If everyone follows 'the god' in their ways, then blasphemy pretty much becomes the domain of the individual.

 

[dadeechi]

Hindus are lucky. With all this rona dhona, go check out what happened to the Jews. They were almost wiped out everywhere they were during those times. If Hindus go the same treatment as jews, India's religious mix would have been a lot different. What would the people have done if the mughals basically started a genocide like with the jews unless Hindus converted?

May be instead of being lucky they were tenacious enough not to loose their faith. There were Zoroastrians who preferred to move to Inida rather than converting. Even in the recent past Kashmiri pandits moved out of Kashmir rather than converting to Islam.

Note that Islamic rulers never had complete hold on India. The south India for most part were off limits.

 

[Hellfire]

Oh, THOSE!!

1. Self-projection
2. Burnishing the image of the Raksha Mantralaya as a can-do place
3. Hiding the too-clever by half decisions being taken, which land up in further delays
4. Keeping the top military command awake at night wondering what he means
5. Keeping the top Pakistani military command awake at night wondering if there is a loose screw in the person occupying the Defence portfolio down east
6. Keeping the Pakistani political leadership awake at night trying to guess what deep game might lie behind a silly statement
7. Tossing fanboys a bone

More if you like........

You have actually nailed it ..... but only people with ability to think will understand the pertinent points and what you have achieved!

 

[Su-11]

Most inaccurate,sir. Indeed, this is the only major religious philosophy to originate in the general area of Indus valley civilization comprising the modern day Pakistan and Rajasthan-Gujarat.

Hinduism is the amalgamation of the religious beliefs of the Dravidians with the invading/migrating Aryans who began settling in the region.

And it is not a religion in the true sense either, but then, that is a different point.

The relevant paragraph

In the course of the second millennium B.C.E., remnants of the IVC's culture will have amalgamated with that of other peoples, likely contributing to what eventually resulted in the rise of historical Hinduism. Judging from the abundant figurines depicting female fertility that they left behind, indicate worship of a Mother goddess (compare Shakti and Kali). IVC seals depict animals, perhaps as the object of veneration, comparable to the zoomorphic aspects of some Hindu gods. Seals resembling Pashupati in a yogic posture have also been discovered.

source: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Indus_Valley_Civilization





The bold red portion is again an incorrect statement. That is the fourth of the varna system as introduced by the Aryans.

for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shudra

Thanks

Lets not go over the re-writing of history to justify the existence of the current day India, and sneak an entire group of migrants pretending to be natives.

Hinduism is linguistically bound to the Indo-Aryan group of languages. The Vedas being in the Indo-European group of languages. And Linguistically Indus valley was NOT even remotely connected to the Indo-Aryan group. There is international consensus that it might be a proto-dravidian language or even something completely different but not Indo-Aryan. And the migration patterns along with the shape of the subcontinent tends to reinforce the belief that it is indeed the case. Anyone without the tinted glasses of Indian-nationalism would see it clear as day.

Basically, the natives were subjugated as shudras and were forced to serve the aryan race, and Hinduism was the tool which did this job splendidly.

May be instead of being lucky they were tenacious enough not to loose their faith. There were Zoroastrians who preferred to moved to Inida rather than converting. Even in the recent past Kashmiri pandits moved out of Kashmir rather than converting to Islam.

Note that Islamic rulers never had complete hold on India. The south India for most part were off limits.

Not tenacious, just lucky. Basically we are dealing with dictatorships back then. If the ruler said convert or die, there isn't much one could have done, the hard way which the jews found out.

 

[Hellfire]

Lets not go over the re-writing of history to justify the existence of the current day India, and sneak an entire group of migrants pretending to be natives.

Hinduism is linguistically bound to the Indo-Aryan group of languages. The Vedas being in the Indo-European group of languages. And Linguistically Indus valley was NOT even remotely connected to the Indo-Aryan group. There is international consensus that it might be a proto-dravidian language or even something completely different but not Indo-Aryan. And the migration patterns along with the shape of the subcontinent tends to reinforce the belief that it is indeed the case. Anyone without the tinted glasses of Indian-nationalism would see it clear as day.

Basically, the natives were subjugated as shudras and were forced to serve the aryan race, and Hinduism was the tool which did this job splendidly.

I have contended that Hinduism is indeed native to Indian subcontinent, challenging your insinuations to otherwise, and emphasized the amalgamation of the religious beliefs of Indus Valley Civilization (pashupati seals et al) and the invading Aryans. An evolution of the intermixed thought process became the 'Hinduism' .. hence, the evolution took place ... and therefore, the influence of the Aryans.


You have indeed elegantly deflected what has been posted to counter with a statement based on countering claims which have not been made.

The rest of your post, it shall really only serve to justify why the Muslims from subcontinents are treated as second class by the Arabs .....

Thanks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history_1.shtml

an interesting read

http://www.guardiansofdarkness.com/GoD/jews.pdf

 

[dadeechi]

Even Asoka Empire started propagating Buddhism but that doesn't mean most people were buddhists. The problem with buddhism is unlike Islam and Hinduism which invokes threats to convert(swords and being labelled shudras respectively), buddhism is a Humanistic religion and doesn't threaten the people to convert. So Eventhough the kingdom might have been buddhists, most people might be following Hinduism. Basically a combination of getting sick of caste system and threats from Islam would have been the ingredients. Choosing the lesser of the two evils would be the motive

You need to understand some basics

1) Unlike Islam, Dharmic people do not believe in one mandated school of thought. It has evolved and has been evolving.

2) Indo-Iranian-Aryan dharmic religions like Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, Vaishavism, Shaktism, Shaivism, Buddism, Jainism, Sikhism etc had their own philosophies but have coexisted.

Not all Pakistanis were buddhists. Actually Sindh and Balochistan were primarily Hindu. Most of Punjab was also Hindu.

Only KPK, Gilgit Baltistan, other pashtun dominated areas were practicing buddhism. Side note: Balochistan is home
to the Hinglaj Mata Temple

True.

 

[Su-11]

I have contended that Hinduism is indeed native to Indian subcontinent, challenging your insinuations to otherwise, and emphasized the amalgamation of the religious beliefs of Indus Valley Civilization (pashupati seals et al) and the invading Aryans. An evolution of the intermixed thought process became the 'Hinduism' .. hence, the evolution took place ... and therefore, the influence of the Aryans.


You have indeed elegantly deflected what has been posted to counter with a statement based on countering claims which have not been made.

The rest of your post, it shall really only serve to justify why the Muslims from subcontinents are treated as second class by the Arabs .....

Thanks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history_1.shtml

You missed the point. If Hinduism is indeed an amalgamation, then here should have been dravidian words or mentions in Vedas. There is NONE! There is only mentions of dark skinned people and the fight with them.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lets not go over the re-writing of history to justify the existence of the current day India, and sneak an entire group of migrants pretending to be natives.

Hinduism is linguistically bound to the Indo-Aryan group of languages. The Vedas being in the Indo-European group of languages. And Linguistically Indus valley was NOT even remotely connected to the Indo-Aryan group. There is international consensus that it might be a proto-dravidian language or even something completely different but not Indo-Aryan. And the migration patterns along with the shape of the subcontinent tends to reinforce the belief that it is indeed the case. Anyone without the tinted glasses of Indian-nationalism would see it clear as day.

Basically, the natives were subjugated as shudras and were forced to serve the aryan race, and Hinduism was the tool which did this job splendidly.


Not tenacious, just lucky. Basically we are dealing with dictatorships back then. If the ruler said convert or die, there isn't much one could have done, the hard way which the jews found out.

Dear Lord, yet another historian born from the foam of the sea.

 

[Su-11]

^ Whatever rocks your boat.

You need to understand some basics

1) Unlike Islam, Dharmic people do not believe in one mandated school of thought. It has evolved and has been evolving.

2) Indo-Iranian-Aryan dharmic religions like Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, Vaishavism, Shaktism, Shaivism, Buddism, Jainism, Sikhism etc had their own philosophies but have coexisted.



True.

Well it was following a 'one mandated school of thought' of caste system pretty well until democracy came by, thereby breaking the fundamental rule of religion, equality.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You missed the point. If Hinduism is indeed an amalgamation, then here should have been dravidian words or mentions in Vedas. There is NONE! There is only mentions of dark skinned people and the fight with them.

@hellfire Tell the silly squitter to bone up on the subject and then return. He doesn't have a clue about the relative ages of the Vedas, the Puranas, the epics, like the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, or about the foundations of so called Sanskrit, of Prakrit and of the Apabhramsa languages,or of the underlying foundation beneath Indo-Aryan languages of the north, or the yet one layer deeper sub-structure beneath that.

Sometimes I wish there were a forum equivalent of Baygon spray.

^ Whatever rocks your boat.

Well it was following a 'one mandated school of thought' of caste system pretty well until democracy came by, thereby breaking the fundamental rule of religion, equality.

Bollocks.

Hindus are lucky. With all this rona dhona, go check out what happened to the Jews. They were almost wiped out everywhere they were during those times. If Hindus got the same treatment as jews, India's religious mix would have been a lot different. What would the people have done if the mughals basically started a genocide like with the jews unless Hindus converted? Absolutely Nothing.


Even Asoka Empire started propagating Buddhism but that doesn't mean most people were buddhists. The problem with buddhism is unlike Islam and Hinduism which invokes threats to convert(swords and being labelled shudras respectively), buddhism is a Humanistic religion and doesn't threaten the people to convert. So Eventhough the kingdom might have been buddhists, most people might be following Hinduism. Basically a combination of getting sick of caste system and threats from Islam would have been the ingredients. Choosing the lesser of the two evils would be the motive.

My candidate for the forum equivalent of the Universal Soldier. Never mind what it's called.

 

[Su-11]

@hellfire Tell the silly squitter to bone up on the subject and then return. He doesn't have a clue about the relative ages of the Vedas, the Puranas, the epics, like the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, or about the foundations of so called Sanskrit, of Prakrit and of the Apabhramsa languages,or of the underlying foundation beneath Indo-Aryan languages of the north, or the yet one layer deeper sub-structure beneath that.

Sometimes I wish there were a forum equivalent of Baygon spray.



Bollocks.

You mean the epics where people are flying around with mountains, and flashing arrows and other bullshit, and you are ascertaining the dates from these texts?

Everyone has given up their bizzare Pagan religions, the Vikings, the Greeks, the Romans, and have embraced the lessser stupid abrahmic religion. Only in the subcontinent is this bullshit still persisting.