Pak believes that attacking India is their birth right,eent ka jawaab patthar se dena hoga: Parrikar

[Sheikh Rauf]

its crazy pakistanis think RSS is one big bad thing, RSS's ideology is much more secular and tolerant than anything what pakistani awam enforces, muslims are growing in India they have more than equal rights.
Coming on samjhauta express its a ISI work which has been proven now go take a look into google and you will come to know all the facts.
On the other hand pakistan sponsors terrorism in India, a proxy war based on islamic ideology similar as ISIS. I dont know what kind of jwaab you want to give India when pakistani has thrust all wars on India and has bad relations with all its neighbors.

We don

its crazy pakistanis think RSS is one big bad thing, RSS's ideology is much more secular and tolerant than anything what pakistani awam enforces, muslims are growing in India they have more than equal rights.
Coming on samjhauta express its a ISI work which has been proven now go take a look into google and you will come to know all the facts.
On the other hand pakistan sponsors terrorism in India, a proxy war based on islamic ideology similar as ISIS. I dont know what kind of jwaab you want to give India when pakistani has thrust all wars on India and has bad relations with all its neighbors.

Really we think RSS is bad thing... if u take a look back when RSS kille4 killed ur own bapu wasnt bad i guess.. planing converting everyone in country was pure democratic way.. how about killing people just cuz they doubt they killed their mata, just on doubt really.. how about ur own army men got convicted by ur own loving court that samjotha was inside job... if u believe google say everything right then please check that this very loving google called ur PM the most stupid PM in world..
Do we have to still remind extremism on 14 feb.. gujrat , burning churches and ur mody got out of RSS womb who once was banned to enter in USA

India is fertile for ISIS i suggest ur to check reality dont act like dove who close eyes cuz he cant see threat..
29 seprate moments... and we all know how loving relationship u have with SL china bangladesh specially Pakistan..
It might dont look we have odeal relaitionship with afghan but we holding 5 million afghani Pakistani in pakistan.. people to people its good ..
Good luck

 

[Tripoli]

Reluctantly, in the interest of facts: the original ghazwas were looting expeditions.

Could you please clarify which definition of Ghazwa you are using here. The true meaning of the word is a war in which the
prophet took part in. In Ghazwa-e-Hind , 'Ghazwa' just refers to a (holy?) war against India w/o the prophet taking part in it.(obviously)

 

[Joe Shearer]

Could you please clarify which definition of Ghazwa you are using here. The true meaning of the word is a war in which the
prophet took part in. In Ghazwa-e-Hind , 'Ghazwa' just refers to a (holy?) war against India w/o the prophet taking part in it.(obviously)

I remember reading in Karen Armstrong that this was a practice among Arab tribes and an accepted source of income.

 

[Tripoli]

I remember reading in Karen Armstrong that this was a practice among Arab tribes and an accepted source of income.

Just because Arabs used to do it doesn't mean he used to it. Arabs also used to bury their infant daughters alive but the prophet prohibited such practice.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Just because Arabs used to do it doesn't mean he used to it. Arabs also used to bury their infant daughters alive but the prophet prohibited such practice.

I never said that. I said that the 'ghazwa' was a traditional Arab practice of raiding for profit. Where is the question of the Hazrat Mohammed having raided for profit? On the other hand, I believe (all this is from memory) that the 'ghazwa' in his time was used to attack the Meccans and weaken their hostility to Muslims.

Please read my posts as they are and not in a spirit of examining every inch for possible offensive content. I don't think or speak that way, and don't think I need to explain with such elaboration the difference between a local, customary practice and the involvement or lack of involvement of revered figures in it.

Where infant daughters come into it beats me.

 

[Tripoli]

I never said that. I said that the 'ghazwa' was a traditional Arab practice of raiding for profit. Where is the question of the Hazrat Mohammed having raided for profit? On the other hand, I believe (all this is from memory) that the 'ghazwa' in his time was used to attack the Meccans and weaken their hostility to Muslims.

Please read my posts as they are and not in a spirit of examining every inch for possible offensive content. I don't think or speak that way, and don't think I need to explain with such elaboration the difference between a local, customary practice and the involvement or lack of involvement of revered figures in it.

Where infant daughters come into it beats me.

The popular use of the word ghazwa involves the prophet. I had no idea you were talking about one without the
prophet in it. I thought that by 'arabs' you were referring to him. I accept my mistake.

As far as your posts are concerned, they are probably the most neutral, informative here on PDF.
I never took your post as offensive.
/peace

 

[Joe Shearer]

The popular use of the word ghazwa involves the prophet. I had no idea you were talking about one without the
prophet in it. I thought that by 'arabs' you were referring to him. I accept my mistake.
As far as your posts are concerned, they are probably the most neutral, informative here on PDF.
I never took your post as offensive.
/peace

My apologies for the over-reaction, but I have always prided myself on my open-mindedness even to religion (I am an atheist) and it cut me to the quick to have been thought to have been disrespectful to such a revered figure.

It is exactly as you say, I was referring only to Ms. Armstrong's explanation that this was an old and customary practice. I was certainly not referring to Hazrat Mohammed as among Arabs; he belongs, like others with a transcendent moral perspective, to all humanity.

I am glad we are in understanding. Your posts give me great pleasure, and an apparent attack from you bewildered me. I am also glad that you took up the matter frankly and gave me an opportunity to clear things up.

Why do you use the identity Tripoli, by the way?

@SarthakGanguly Just to keep the record straight with you as well. I don't want you to gather an impression that I behave differently with different people.

The popular use of the word ghazwa involves the prophet. I had no idea you were talking about one without the
prophet in it. I thought that by 'arabs' you were referring to him. I accept my mistake.

As far as your posts are concerned, they are probably the most neutral, informative here on PDF.
I never took your post as offensive.
/peace

Actually that's a pretty damn nice thing to say. One of the nicest compliments I've received. I must be doing something right.

 

[Tripoli]

Why do you use the identity Tripoli, by the way?.

I have an interest in coastal or (near coastal) Roman Mediterranean cities. Others examples would be Alexandria (especially because of the now destroyed library of Alexandria), Antioch and Carthage.

Actually that's a pretty damn nice thing to say. One of the nicest compliments I've received. I must be doing something right.

Only giving credit where it is due.

 

[American Pakistani]

he bit so hard that your soldiers forget to use Gun on LOC after that.....

Pakistan only open fire after indian occupier terrorist do some silly act by firing on Pakistani villages.

Btw before power mudhi cabinet claimed to bring hell on Pakistan if any wrong happen in india but all hot air came out of that cabinet as they failed to launch a war after pathankot drama.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Pakistan only open fire after indian occupier terrorist do some silly act by firing on Pakistani villages.

Btw before power mudhi cabinet claimed to bring hell on Pakistan if any wrong happen in india but all hot air came out of that cabinet as they failed to launch a war after pathankot drama.

whatever you say sir, who are free to think whatever you think and publish whatever you like " PAK winning he war" on the very day your Gen surrender , is printed on the PAK new paper in 1971.

for the First time your Country RUN to UN.

PAK soldiers don't fire on villagers right? why didn't let your TV camera men go to those villages and capture on cam?

 

[TMA]

That is because Pakistan has willing accepted the burden of inheriting the legacy of past Arab & Turkic rulers of the subcontinent. The day Pakistan disowns this legacy, peace would prevail in the subcontinent.

I think the Arab states and Turkish states have a greater claim. Pakistan is not the successor state to them; however she has a strong historical legacy but that is the nature of history. They did good things and bad things.

 

[Bratva]

I found your post deeply irritating, but am not reacting to it as it is so clearly meant to provoke and annoy, rather than to lead to any further consideration of the subject.



Reluctantly, in the interest of facts: the original ghazwas were looting expeditions.



Well, the fact is, I was reluctant to say it, but you do have a point. And I'm not going to add any more lines to it.

Which ghazwas were looting expeditions ?

 

[Tripoli]

Which ghazwas were looting expeditions ?

He has clarified it in his reply to me. He is referring only to non-Muslim arabs only. NOT the prophet and his followers.

 

[American Pakistani]

whatever you say sir, who are free to think whatever you think and publish whatever you like " PAK winning he war" on the very day your Gen surrender , is printed on the PAK new paper in 1971.

for the First time your Country RUN to UN.

PAK soldiers don't fire on villagers right? why didn't let your TV camera men go to those villages and capture on cam?

Same goes for you, you are free to think whatever you want.

 

[dadeechi]

I am not agreed with Mr. Parikar and i have solid reasons for that

First of all Pakistan since smiling Buddha test have strong staunch if India sign / agrees on CNBT we will sign but despite we hav't test our nuke weapons India refuses to oblige

Pakistan before nuke tests and after express strong desire for nuke free subcontinent but again India refuses

And Above all After creating / developing nuke weapons Pakistan didn’t demonstrate our capability but again Indian pushes us to a corner after Shakti tests to test and demonstrate our capability.

I mentioned very few points...which clearly show who the agressor.

And any sane person who has some knowledge of history didn’t agrees with Mr. Parikar

@Joe Shearer
Sir your thoughts on this.

Yes. Pakistan's position in 1990s was it would sign CTBT if India did so. This was the time when India vetoed CTBT.

As part of the 1-2-3 agreement, India agreed that it voluntarily adhere and would sign the CTBT & FTCT as and when they are ready.

Today Pakistan is the only country in the world which is opposing to sign CTBT & FMCT.

India has has voluntarily stop increasing the stock pile as a commitment to FMCT while Pakistan has been aggressively increasing its stock pile.

So stop taking moral high ground and hiding behind India when it suits you. World is not made up of fools not to see through this charade.