Pak believes that attacking India is their birth right,eent ka jawaab patthar se dena hoga: Parrikar

[Su-11]

These semi-literates striking poses and postures and intoning incorrect opinions on everything in sight enrage me.

And any more references to my age will ensure that you have problems sitting down for the next month.



@hellfire You had better step in again, wherever in the world you are lurking. Explain to the specialist in squitting that

1. The date for Panini, using the language used for Indo-Aryan verb forms and Sanskrit verb-forms, is estimated at 600 BC. Finding out how these dates were and are estimated ought to be the first task to be performed for anyone who wishes to get involved in these subjects.
2. The Vedas predate Panini. It was the Vedic language that Panini codified. Before his codification, earlier versions of the Vedic language closely resembled Avestan Persian and drifted away gradually.
3. The Vedas were not written down either.

Finally, please petition the moderators in suitable language to prepare a horse's arse test; those who on taking the test turn out to be horse's arses should not be allowed into the forum.

Lol.... Let me get this straight. So you are a poser, posing to the kids on this forum, and making statements out of your arse and these dumbos eat them up.
You make statements and don't even back them up, and as if other people have to prove what you have written testifies to your stupidity on where the burden of proof lies.
It was not even written down you dumb piece of $hit, meaning with no definitive tests like carbon dating to pin it down, the entire thing rests on supposed texts themselves which could very well have been made up by the writers writing stuff to feel good about themselves, or just opinions of people who study the subject. And these texts are filled with utter nonsense, myths and supernatural bullshit, which adds so much authenticity to its contents.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lol.... Let me get this straight. So you are a poser, posing to the kids on this forum, and making statements out of your arse and these dumbos eat them up.
You make statements and don't even back them up, and as if other people have to prove what you have written testifies to your stupidity on where the burden of proof lies.
It was not even written down you dumb piece of $hit, meaning the entire thing rests on supposed texts themselves which could very well have been made up by the writers writing stuff to feel good about themselves. And these texts are filled with utter nonsense, myths and supernatural bullshit, which makes it so much authentic to its contents.

You are the greatest Indologist ever born and yet to be born.

Now do me and everyone else a favour - f**k off.

 

[Su-11]

You are the greatest Indologist ever born and yet to be born.

Now do me and everyone else a favour - f**k off.

I don't need any labels from the likes of you.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I don't need any labels from the likes of you.

You got it for ignorance over and above the call of duty. Congratulations.

 

[Hellfire]

I had left PDF for some weeks, to recharge my batteries, to take stock of my personal and professional life, and to work out what to do in the near and middle future. That seems more or less settled, and it now remains to implement decisions that have suggested themselves. That may mean long absences, and occasional strolls through the threads, but that's as it should be, right? Tapering off is a good thing. In any case, I find that I am no longer able to adjust to ignorant chatter, and no longer feel like embarking on the nineteenth round of explanations of common topics that crop up, without fail, every time a bunch of new bozos comes on board.

Yup. That is why even I stroll through the threads. Don't have the patience to write stuff to people who need to be taught the script before the text ......... and better and fruitful pastures await off the virtual world

Let him bask in his ignorance or live like the majority who mistake mediocrity in personal development as a crowning achievement and assume themselves the masters.

"Allah has not been disobeyed with any sin worse than ignorance" in the words of one of the Salaf for the "Jaahil"!!

Want about systematic govt backed training of RSS, Shiv Sena & Bajran Dhal Extremists where they are taught to put Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan in Indian map to make it akhand bharat this is even taught to little kids in modi's gujrat i can show u the video if u want we in Pakistan are not taught about Ghazwa Hind we are not obsessed about it like majority of indians are about Akhand Bharat

This guy also threatened on Pathankot Inside Job that Pakistan will be dealt in 15 days WTF did u do jack shit now he is giving hollow threats again if u indians have any balls get to the point & declare war. This coward can only bark like dog & nothing more stop giving him the attention that this uptight arsse wants.

blah blah blah ........

for the bold part; like you have your policy over Kashmir? 68 years of monopoly over useless bluster and lack of "balls" and now your nether region on fire as we intrude into that domain? LOL!!! Yes, we must not emulate you ....

Somehow you have described a country which does the same over Kashmir and nukes ...! An uncanny similarity??

Wait what?? I meant what I said - Prakrit and historical carbon dating.
And I suggest you understand what is going on before going on a tangent.

What is Prakrit?

What is Sanskrit?

What or who is Panini? (read up both)

What or who is Pargiter? And the import thereof as the member has highlighted?

I seem to recall you going on tangent when I merely challenged your assertions that Hinduism has not evolved in Indian sub-continent. Only an ignorant will even begin challenging Hinduism's evolution in the cradle of civilisation of Indus Valley Civilisation and subsequent amalgamation of thoughts and philosophies of all those who came in contact with the civilisation to continuously evolve Hinduism as it is known.

Further only a fool will call Hindu a religion, as it is merely a philosophy of life trying to finely balance the various perceptions of human race of the concept of "the God" as the Muslims and followers of any other religion have accepted and the ways and means to achieve unity with 'the God' or 'Allah'. There come your idol worshipping, the acceptance of paths to god being different, but god being one.

That is where the cross has come to be regarded holy for the Christians.

Whereas Islam has prohibited the idolatry in order to prevent the usurping of the teachings of righteousness as the holy book has elucidated, by unscrupulous individuals, yet it has understood the importance of one point of focus required in order to strengthen the beliefs of the faithful - and there comes the 'Kaaba'! The symbol of the struggle of the Prophet in order to get the people on the path of righteousness and to strengthen their resolve. Hence, while emphatically eradicating idol worship, they yet needed to finely balance the inherent yearning of the human to associate with something that could be visually seen and defined by the vastly incapable and ignorant mind that would give an aura of attachment or contact with God.


Indeed, there is a theory that propagates the commandeering of the history of evolution of religions by the Western colonialists in order to establish their superiority over the middle east and specifically the region of Indian subcontinent.

Abraham, is Brahma as per them .... just a small example.

At least read and come and then argue, so that you have some substance:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sanskrit.htm

http://brcmbba.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/0026-A-History-of-Sanskrit-Literature.pdf

There is a reason it is Indo-European/Iranian/Germanic ....

If you know russian, the remarkable similarity of Russian to sanskrit is evident. As the author here as mentioned, the common root of the languages lies in Sanskrit which remained a spoken language with variation in dialects.

Man you need to read a lottttttt!

You had better step in again, wherever in the world you are lurking.

The fun time is over sir, the paycheque beckons. My presence is in your neighbourhood ..... at present.

Finally, please petition the moderators in suitable language to prepare a horse's arse test; those who on taking the test turn out to be horse's arses should not be allowed into the forum.

They would love to put me as the first one. Seeing as I was rubbing the old first line of nonsense!!! LOL

 

[Su-11]

You got it for ignorance over and above the call of duty. Congratulations.

...said the ignorant.

What is Prakrit?

What is Sanskrit?

What or who is Panini? (read up both)

What or who is Pargiter? And the import thereof as the member has highlighted?

I seem to recall you going on tangent when I merely challenged your assertions that Hinduism has not evolved in Indian sub-continent. Only an ignorant will even begin challenging Hinduism's evolution in the cradle of civilisation of Indus Valley Civilisation and subsequent amalgamation of thoughts and philosophies of all those who came in contact with the civilisation to continuously evolve Hinduism as it is known.

Further only a fool will call Hindu a religion, as it is merely a philosophy of life trying to finely balance the various perceptions of human race of the concept of "the God" as the Muslims and followers of any other religion have accepted and the ways and means to achieve unity with 'the God' or 'Allah'. There come your idol worshipping, the acceptance of paths to god being different, but god being one.

That is where the cross has come to be regarded holy for the Christians.

Whereas Islam has prohibited the idolatry in order to prevent the usurping of the teachings of righteousness as the holy book has elucidated, by unscrupulous individuals, yet it has understood the importance of one point of focus required in order to strengthen the beliefs of the faithful - and there comes the 'Kaaba'! The symbol of the struggle of the Prophet in order to get the people on the path of righteousness and to strengthen their resolve. Hence, while emphatically eradicating idol worship, they yet needed to finely balance the inherent yearning of the human to associate with something that could be visually seen and defined by the vastly incapable and ignorant mind that would give an aura of attachment or contact with God.


Indeed, there is a theory that propagates the commandeering of the history of evolution of religions by the Western colonialists in order to establish their superiority over the middle east and specifically the region of Indian subcontinent.

Abraham, is Brahma as per them .... just a small example.

At least read and come and then argue, so that you have some substance:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sanskrit.htm

http://brcmbba.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/0026-A-History-of-Sanskrit-Literature.pdf

There is a reason it is Indo-European/Iranian/Germanic ....

If you know russian, the remarkable similarity of Russian to sanskrit is evident. As the author here as mentioned, the common root of the languages lies in Sanskrit which remained a spoken language with variation in dialects.

Man you need to read a lottttttt!

If Hinduism is an amalgamation, then the vedas should have other languages which were part of the Indian Subcontinent(Indus Script/proto-dravidian, Dravidian, North East Indian group). Vedas are in the Indo-European Language structure only.
And yes, Hinduism is more of a cult than a religion whose expiration date is long past. Also kabaa doesn't have multiple arms sticking out of it now does it. Its just a go-to party zone for Islam where everyone converge. Kabaa is not a god. The nerve of you even equating kabaa to the ridiculous idols of your stupid cult is testament to the stupidity of your kind as a whole. Your kind would do the world a favour if you all just go back and drown in the caspian sea.
AND, Its not that Russian has an uncanny resemblance to sanskrit, but Sanskrit has an uncanny resemblance to the proto Indo-European language which Russian is a part of.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...i1.svg/1500px-IndoEuropeanTreeDielli1.svg.png

 

[Tripoli]

...said the ignorant.




And yes, Hinduism is more of a cult than a religion whose expiration date is long past. Also kabaa doesn't have multiple arms sticking out of it now does it.

There is no need to insult their religion. Such insults only create a cycle of hate. It is best to leave
each to his own.

You are the greatest Indologist ever born and yet to be born.

Now do me and everyone else a favour - f**k off.

You seem to be having a nice time. Don't deny it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

...said the ignorant.

If Hinduism is an amalgamation, then the vedas should have other languages which were part of the Indian Subcontinent(Indus Script/proto-dravidian, Dravidian, North East Indian group). Vedas are in the Indo-European Language structure only.

@hellfire The guy actually is as dumb as he sounds. Really. It wasn't a flash in the pan, it was the whole wok going up in flames.

1. Hinduism is not an amalgamation, it is an extremely evolved body of religion, different religious beliefs, metaphysics, philosophy, and sociology.
2. The Vedas represent the transition between the steppe-based religion, which is reflected in the inscriptions at Boghaz Keui, and the later, Puranic religion. The reason for calling it the Puranic religion is precisely that the religion had evolved away from the epic,universal variety that is found in the Vedas to the localised, rooted patron-centric and temple-oriented one of the Puranas.
3. To draw conclusions from the language of the Vedas alone is silly. Those conclusions should be extended to the embedded additional books, the Brahmanas, the Aranyakas and the Upanishads. They should be extended to the Puranas. They should be extended right down to the Mahabharata and its predecessor, the Ramayana, because those two epics have contributed significantly to the dogma of Hinduism.
4. As we go along the evolution of Hinduism, whatever Chuckleberry Finn wants to see is there to be seen. There are words and expressions from both Dravidian and its predecessor, which our genius has apparently not yet identified (probably doesn't know where to look).
5. The Vedas are in Indo-Aryan only and the Vedas are about one, the original variant of the religion only.

And yes, Hinduism is more of a cult than a religion whose expiration date is long past. Also kabaa doesn't have multiple arms sticking out of it now does it. Its just a go-to party zone for Islam where everyone converge. Kabaa is not a god. The nerve of you even equating kabaa to the ridiculous idols of your stupid cult is testament to the stupidity of your kind as a whole. Your kind would do the world a favour if you all just go back and drown in the caspian sea.
AND, Its not that Russian has an uncanny resemblance to sanskrit, but Sanskrit has an uncanny resemblance to the proto Indo-European language which Russian is a part of.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...i1.svg/1500px-IndoEuropeanTreeDielli1.svg.png

Wake me up after this bore has left.

There is no need to insult their religion. Such insults only create a cycle of hate. It is best to leave
each to his own.


You seem to be having a nice time. Don't deny it.

Damn! Rumbled.

But his ignorance, and his basic unwillingness to learn, is incredible. I did have some very bad moments some time ago, and the after-effects are still with me now - high BP has bothered me the whole day now.

There is no need to insult their religion. Such insults only create a cycle of hate. It is best to leave
each to his own.


You seem to be having a nice time. Don't deny it.

Actually, I'm an atheist. I am interested in some aspects of Hinduism in an academic way, but I am far from my Vedanta (Vivekananda version) Shakta roots. But insulting any religion is wrong, and insulting someone for his religious belief is wrong. Insulting somebody for ignorant and superstitious cant is not.

I am willing to listen to counter-arguments.

 

[Hellfire]

If Hinduism is an amalgamation, then the vedas should have other languages which were part of the Indian Subcontinent(Indus Script/proto-dravidian, Dravidian, North East Indian group). Vedas are in the Indo-European Language structure only.

Did you read the links I gave you? Any idea of what dialects mean?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dialect

For your reference.

yes, Hinduism is more of a cult than a religion whose expiration date is long past.

Ah, baiting? Religious trolling with baiting?

Also kabaa doesn't have multiple arms sticking out of it now does it. Its just a go-to party zone for Islam where everyone converge. Kabaa is not a god. The nerve of you even equating kabaa to the ridiculous idols of your stupid cult is testament to the stupidity of your kind as a whole. Your kind would do the world a favour if you all just go back and drown in the caspian sea.

Yes sir, Doctor Subtilise.

@Joe Shearer : see why I never should have forgotten the Sun Tzu teaching of never engaging an enemy for too long ....... But I have found the 21st Century John Duns Scotus!!!


A serendipity indeed .......or maybe a case of Fragile X???

AND, Its not that Russian has an uncanny resemblance to sanskrit, but Sanskrit has an uncanny resemblance to the proto Indo-European language which Russian is a part of.

A ti kharasho znayish ruski izik?

Seriously? Wikipedia?

You sir .... have been very informative. Thanks for your cooperation and informative posts thus far.

Thanks and all the best

"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them (harshly), they say may peace be with you"

 

[Tripoli]

Actually, I'm an atheist. I am interested in some aspects of Hinduism in an academic way, but I am far from my Vedanta (Vivekananda version) Shakta roots. But insulting any religion is wrong, and insulting someone for his religious belief is wrong. Insulting somebody for ignorant and superstitious cant is not.

I am willing to listen to counter-arguments.

I know that you are an atheist . By ' their religion' I was referring to Hindus in general.

Have you been an atheist since childhood or did you transition at some point in your life?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I know that you are an atheist . By ' their religion' I was referring to Hindus in general.

Have you been an atheist since childhood or did you transition at some point in your life?

Quite late, one trigger event being watching my otherwise very rational parents being taken in by a Bhrigu Pandit who promised even greater things to come to my father. He was at that time already more powerful and more feared by politicians than a serving officer should have been. The inevitable happened, he got his comeuppance and I started wondering how people could delude themselves so much, just because someone was saying nice things about their future. That's where it all started. I was in my late 20s then, and had been going along following the form in these things till then.

 

[Hellfire]

There is no need to insult their religion. Such insults only create a cycle of hate. It is best to leave
each to his own.

Hate is a result of poor understanding and ignorance, a disservice to 'the God'.

And he is arguing with another atheist ... for me religion is simply an interesting concept ...

@Joe Shearer Now I refuse to be drawn to further idiocy ....... ignore the Homo habilis!!!

 

[Tripoli]

Quite late, one trigger event being watching my otherwise very rational parents being taken in by a Bhrigu Pandit who promised even greater things to come to my father. He was at that time already more powerful and more feared by politicians than a serving officer should have been. The inevitable happened, he got his comeuppance and I started wondering how people could delude themselves so much, just because someone was saying nice things about their future. That's where it all started. I was in my late 20s then, and had been going along following the form in these things till then.

Thanks.

What did you feel like after transitioning. No more limitations? No more burdens? On your own without any help from God?
Responsible for you own fate?

 

[Su-11]

@hellfire The guy actually is as dumb as he sounds. Really. It wasn't a flash in the pan, it was the whole wok going up in flames.

1. Hinduism is not an amalgamation, it is an extremely evolved body of religion, different religious beliefs, metaphysics, philosophy, and sociology.
2. The Vedas represent the transition between the steppe-based religion, which is reflected in the inscriptions at Boghaz Keui, and the later, Puranic religion. The reason for calling it the Puranic religion is precisely that the religion had evolved away from the epic,universal variety that is found in the Vedas to the localised, rooted patron-centric and temple-oriented one of the Puranas.
3. To draw conclusions from the language of the Vedas alone is silly. Those conclusions should be extended to the embedded additional books, the Brahmanas, the Aranyakas and the Upanishads. They should be extended to the Puranas. They should be extended right down to the Mahabharata and its predecessor, the Ramayana, because those two epics have contributed significantly to the dogma of Hinduism.
4. As we go along the evolution of Hinduism, whatever Chuckleberry Finn wants to see is there to be seen. There are words and expressions from both Dravidian and its predecessor, which our genius has apparently not yet identified (probably doesn't know where to look).
5. The Vedas are in Indo-Aryan only and the Vedas are about one, the original variant of the religion only.

Wake me up after this bore has left.



Damn! Rumbled.

But his ignorance, and his basic unwillingness to learn, is incredible. I did have some very bad moments some time ago, and the after-effects are still with me now - high BP has bothered me the whole day now.

Pop open a vein and end the misery already if you can't handle high BP. And it is incredibly stupid(which I'm not surprised of), to quote me while writing to someone else. Attention deficit disorder?
And whatever other works of Hinduism you take, other ethnicity and languages have been simply shunted out for the vast majority of it. And the evolution which is spoken of is even more negative. Hinduism down the line was simply used a tool to subjugate the other ethnicity into the lower stratas of the society(the shudras), and were made to serve the people to whom the religion originally belonged to.
A few loan words from other languages means a grand inclusion of other languages(Mundo, Dravidian) into Hindu scriptures and ideals? Brilliant! Simply brilliant.

@hellfire

Did you read the links I gave you? Any idea of what dialects mean?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dialect

For your reference.

Seriously wikipedia

Whoa... hang on, so basically dravidian and the Mundo(north east asian) is a dialiect of the Indo-European languages? MY GOODNESS!! The extent to which people will go to justify the existence of the country.
http://www.danshort.com/ie/iesatem.htm

Ah, baiting? Religious trolling with baiting?

Its not baiting, its simply the way things are. Everything has an expiration date, including weird cults.

 

[Hellfire]

@Joe Shearer caput mentula now needs the lesson on the theory of probable origin of Sanskrit from Proto Dravidian language