PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Windjammer]

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Nothing unusual as the Viper engaged it's AB as it pulls up to go ballistic while the J-10s lights them a few seconds later as they make a break.

 

[xuxu1457]

The J-10 has a much larger nose than the Rafale.

 

[Jinn Baba]

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Finally! Thought I found my new profile pic, until I saw your's

 

[Dil Pakistan]

This is the reason we will never go for Western equipment under current world order/scenario:

Bill tabled in US house to declare Pakistan 'state sponsor of terrorism’​

Bill introduced by Rep Perry seeks to impose restrictions on US foreign assistance, a ban on defence exports and sales

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News DeskMarch 11, 2022

Representative Scott Perry speaks during a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing in Washington, DC, US, March 10, 2021. PHOTO: REUTERS

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A US lawmaker has introduced a bill titled “Stopping Pakistani Terror Act” in the Congress that seeks to designate Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism.
The bill tabled by US Congressman Scott Perry on March 8 read, “To provide for the designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a State Sponsor of Terrorism, and for other purposes.”
The bill introduced in the House of Representatives has been referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs.
“Effective on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan shall be deemed to be a country the government of which the [US] Secretary of State determines has repeatedly provided support for international terrorism..,” read the bill.
The main categories of sanctions include restrictions on US foreign assistance, a ban on defence exports and sales, financial transactions and others.
The US government will be prohibited to export or “otherwise providing (by sale, lease or loan, grant, or other means), directly or indirectly, any munitions item” to a country subjected to the sanctions mentioned in the bill.
Also read: Bill moved in US Senate to sanction Taliban, supporters
“[US] shall suspend delivery to such country of any such item pursuant to any such transaction which has not been completed at the time the Secretary of State makes the determination..”
The development comes at a time when Pakistan has been facing immense pressure from the West to condemn Russia’s attack on Ukraine.
However, Pakistan has refused to criticise Moscow's actions but it has called for resolving the dispute through dialogue and diplomacy.
Last year, a group of high-profile US senators – including a former presidential nominee – has moved a bill in the US Senate seeking imposition of sanctions on the Afghan Taliban that could also potentially extend to Pakistan.
The bill, titled ‘Afghanistan Counterterrorism, Oversight, and Accountability Act’, triggered an angry rebuke from a senior member of Pakistan’s cabinet.
The 22 lawmakers, all from the Republican Party, introduced the bill that requires “the imposition of sanctions with respect to the Taliban and persons assisting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and for other purposes.”
Pertaining to Pakistan, the bill elaborated that “the first report… shall include – (1) an assessment of support by state and non-state actors, including the Government of Pakistan, for the Taliban between 2001 and 2020, including the provision of sanctuary space, financial support, intelligence support, logistics and medical support, training, equipping, and tactical, operational, or strategic direction; (2) an assessment of support by state and non-state actors, including the Government of Pakistan, for the 2021 offensive of the Taliban that toppled the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan… (3) an assessment of support by state and non-state actors, including the Government of Pakistan, for the September 2021 offensive of the Taliban against the Panjshir Valley and the Afghan resistance.”







Source:

https://tribune.com.pk/story/234734...o-declare-pakistan-state-sponsor-of-terrorism



And then we have people claiming each and everything is including F16s & EFTs are available!

It is up to us how we squeeze their balls.

What leverage we have ?

 

[siegecrossbow]

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The dual rack is compatible with both PL-15 and PL-10. The real question is whether there is enough space for two dual racks. If so, a 6 PL-15/2 PL-10 loadout is possible.

 

[Ali_Baba]

very interesting tweet regarding our J-10C:
(Look at CH4 numbers as well)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504213262954643456

Hopefully the next batch will be the J10D, and so on. The price reflects the initial infrastructure that needs to be setup to support and maintain this jet(though since PAF has the JF17 - there maybe some cross utilisation to reduce costs ).

This is official confirmation that the initial batch is 25 J10CE's to be delivered in 2022. That is now settled.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The dual rack is compatible with both PL-15 and PL-10. The real question is whether there is enough space for two dual racks. If so, a 6 PL-15/2 PL-10 loadout is possible.

Has the question of whether or not the fuel tanks can be jettisoned in combat been resolved?

Additionally - has there ever been any pictures of confirmation that the inner pylons can carry Air-to-Air missiles?

The most logical load out would be central fuel tank - jammers on the fuselage hard points and 2 x Dual Racks with PL15s/SD10s(ie 8 BVRs) and like you suggest with PL-10 on the outer hard points. It is the ideal load-out to duke out a BVR fight with the Rafales given how many BVRs the Rafale can carry.

Let's see - i was surprised to see the picture of the JF17 Block III with 5 x PL-15 missiles as part of it's induction ceremony - so the PAF seems to have moved on from the "2 BVRs missiles are enough mentality". It would be odd if PAF inducted the J10C that can only carry 4 BVRs when it is planning to do more with the JF17 Block III.

 

[ghazi52]

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=378286490823922

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[ghazi52]

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[The Terminator]

Why is the water being showered on the aircraft? Is it a normal thing to do after a flight?

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It's a tradition in Air Forces and airlines to do ceremonial water salute on 1st plane or last flight of the the type of the plane.

Here's an interesting video about the dutch F-35 mess up during a water salutation.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Has the question of whether or not the fuel tanks can be jettisoned in combat been resolved?

Additionally - has there ever been any pictures of confirmation that the inner pylons can carry Air-to-Air missiles?

The most logical load out would be central fuel tank - jammers on the fuselage hard points and 2 x Dual Racks with PL15s/SD10s(ie 8 BVRs) and like you suggest with PL-10 on the outer hard points. It is the ideal load-out to duke out a BVR fight with the Rafales given how many BVRs the Rafale can carry.

Let's see - i was surprised to see the picture of the JF17 Block III with 5 x PL-15 missiles as part of it's induction ceremony - so the PAF seems to have moved on from the "2 BVRs missiles are enough mentality". It would be odd if PAF inducted the J10C that can only carry 4 BVRs when it is planning to do more with the JF17 Block III.

Not sure what you mean by fuel tanks can be ejected. Unless they are conformal fuel tanks they are easily jettisoned during combat.

 

[ghazi52]

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[The Terminator]

Maritime missions also require washing off the salt water, done little differently.

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It looks like more of a wash service than a ceremonial water salute. Anti-icing Chemical layers are sprayed on planes before take off but it's entirely for yet another purpose.

 

[Asian.Century]

 

[The Terminator]

very interesting tweet regarding our J-10C:
(Look at CH4 numbers as well)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504213262954643456

So $1.4 Billion divided by 25 means around $56 million a piece. This price may also include PAF specific modifications, training, logistics setup and armament/munitions. And most probably this cost would go down in subsequent orders.

If this report is accurate then 25 jets are ordered in this fiscal year till June 31st. From July onwards more jets could be ordered in the next budget.

CH-4 have long been inducted. We are getting Turkish TB-2 and Akinci drones as well as our local ones. So Pakistan has quite a big drone force now probably to counter Indian Army formations, SAM batteries and Naval surveillance. As their effectiveness is shown in conflicts like Nagorno Karabakh and Ukraine.