PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Aesterix]

Formation lights

مطلب w11 style?

 

[JohnWick]

Be sensible man, what is this?

AH.... Your brain can't except the truth.... You know what a latest variant of a fighter jet with serving a fleet of 1000 in PLAAF is certainly better than rafale
Just remember two simple things
1 It is the "C" variant
With better AESA radar than rafale
And better missile package like PL-15
2 Better thrust to weight ratio
Engine thrust is also same
75KN+75KN=150KN for rafale
145KN for J-10C but
Remember J-10C is one Ton(80kg) less in weight than rafale
I can say some SPECTRA EW suit capability is better in rafale but still It can be upgraded in J-10C with time So it doesn't matter and don't try that retard man argument !

 

[SQ8]

مطلب w11 style?

There are similar ones on the tail as well so that’s where the guess came from

 

[StormBreaker]

مطلب w11 style?

Not W-11, But bureaucrat ka bacha triggering police sirens uselessly on roads, Trying to look like army chief.

 

[Aesterix]

There are similar ones on the tail as well so that’s where the guess came from

Well it could be. Let's see.

 

[Bilal.]

Could be those as well - I saw similarities to formation lights on US platforms.

It looks similar to the one on JFT and also seems to be on the same side and position of where the probe would be.

 

[That Guy]

There is only one plausible option i.e. getting some used F16s from a country that's thinking of retiring them. Then getting them upgraded from USA/ another partner country. Maybe Iraq swapping our BVR enabled JF17s with their non BVR F16s? Pakistan already has BVR capability with its F16s so it should not be any problem for us to get Iraqi/some other country's toothless F16s upgraded. Such an arrangement:
1. Fits the bill
2. Fits the doctrine
3. Fits ease of maintainance & supply chain
4. Doesn't hurt uncle SAMs ego
5. Has been done before by PAF with Jordan

The more I think of it, the more it appears that used F16s with upgradation is in the works! Thats good...!

I don't think PAF would induct any new platform as that would force India to go and buy more too. They have F15s already on the offer. If we get EFTs or some SU35s or some bigger bird as being speculated by some here. Then India would renspond to such acquisition by placing some kind of urgent ordernof its own. Used F16s on the other hand would just make them sad but not panicked.

If such an arrangement is in the works, I totally support it! Good luck to our shaheens trying to secure such a deal & good luck finding more used F16s! 100+ F16s would bring down maintainance costs and reduce work load on existing F16s. Very & only logical step IMO.

I doubt it, Pakistan tried buying used f-16s from Jordan, the US blocked the deal.

 

[Aesterix]

Well the Helmet , does not look "Normal" . Original picture from @Deino.

 

[Trailer23]

I doubt it, Pakistan tried buying used f-16s from Jordan, the US blocked the deal.

Which ones, Sir?

Did we attempt to get more after 13 we got in 2014 that are currently with No. 19 Sqn (Sherdils)?

 

[Big_bud]

I doubt it, Pakistan tried buying used f-16s from Jordan, the US blocked the deal.

Update ur info, we using them since 2014. Talks fell with US for new F16s. Then PAF bought used from Jordan and got MLUs on them.

https://defense-update.com/20140219_pakistan-receive-13-f-16s-jordan.html

 

[Windjammer]

Update ur info, we using them since 2014. Talks fell with US for new F16s. Then PAF bought used from Jordan and got MLUs on them.

https://defense-update.com/20140219_pakistan-receive-13-f-16s-jordan.html

Later in 2016, Jordan put up another 15 F-16 for sale which Pakistan was keen to acquire, the deal was blocked by US.

Pakistan's bid to buy F-16s from Jordan would require US approval

"The proposed terms and conditions of the Letter of Offer and Acceptance for this proposed sale of F-16 aircraft expired on May 24," the official said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Big_bud]

Later in 2016, Jordan put up another 15 F-16 for sale which Pakistan was keen to acquire, the deal was blocked by US.

Pakistan's bid to buy F-16s from Jordan would require US approval

"The proposed terms and conditions of the Letter of Offer and Acceptance for this proposed sale of F-16 aircraft expired on May 24," the official said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Maybe to force Pakistan for a different outcome in Afghanistan. Now with them being done with Afghanistan. I'd assume they will be ok to let Pk have some more F16s.

As:
1. It doesn't give any new capability or edge to PAF over IAF
2. PAF still buys weapons and upgrades from USA (US maintians some leverage)
3. To not completely push Pakistan to Chinese camp

I think more F16s is the only palusible option here IF a fighter jet from west is joining us too. IF...

 

[PakFactor]

Maybe to force Pakistan for a different outcome in Afghanistan. Now with them being done with Afghanistan. I'd assume they will be ok to let Pk have some more F16s.

As:
1. It doesn't give any new capability or edge to PAF over IAF
2. PAF still buys weapons and upgrades from USA (US maintians some leverage)
3. To not completely push Pakistan to Chinese camp

I think more F16s is the only palusible option here IF a fighter jet from west is joining us too. IF...

Down the road we need stealth planes F-35 types; we can't wait for India to induct and then we counter we need to stay multiple steps ahead and integrate these assets.

 

[Luosifen]

Down the road we need stealth planes F-35 types; we can't wait for India to induct and then we counter we need to stay multiple steps ahead and integrate these assets.

China will most likely offer up stealth fighters for PAF if India makes tangible progress towards getting stealth of their own. You never know with operational security in China though, PAF could be training on such fighters years in advance of any announcement.

 

[The Terminator]

Yes west would sell you their top of the line Air to Air and Air to Ground weapons as long as you are ready to pay for them. India is not that big of a issue.

Nope wrong answer by a long shot. Gulf countries have all the money in the world to even purchase F-22 raptor s but still struggle to source 4.5 gen fighters like what Saudis face issues regarding Typhoons acquisition. And now these countries facing blackmailing regarding acquisition of the F-35s. They can even fund whoke F-35 assembly lines in their own countries as far as funds are concerned.

Greece gets Rafale deal on discounted terms. Turkey denied access to the Patriots which even Saudis were operating. Everyone else was getting Apache gunship helicopters but US Frontline ally against war on terror couldn't get even a single gunship helicopter in whole 20 years of US war on terror campaign. Turkey gets kicked out of F-35 program despite being an important partner in it and faces severe US sanctions upon purchasing Russian S-400 only after being rejected to acquire Patriot missile systems from US multiple times. There are Patriot batteries deployed in Turkey but the hist nation has no control over its operation whatsoever. Similarly India gets S-400 from Russia and apparently gets away with it unscathed from any US sanctions. There are countless examples of western discrepancies and hypocrisy towards it's allies or potential clients.

Yes west wanna sell their military equipment to their friendly nations but on their own biased terms. Israel can get F-16i variant and modify anything they wish to do in US provided weapons but PAF can only fit 1 Pakistani specific thing in the F-16s which usually is a PAF pilot. And by the way Israel gets US aid in billions of $$$ per anum unlike the peanuts Pakistan used to receive in the past.

So that shows that you probably are living completely in a parallel universe, where human civilization is immune to hypocritic behaviour syndrome.