PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[StormBreaker]

Celebrate the J-10C, plz leave the F-16 out of this thread.

Is PAF planning to give J-10C a local name? To me the J-10C looks like a 'Gyrfalcon'. Google if you don't know what that is.

Few questions @PanzerKiel @kursed

Which PAF squadron is going to get it first?

Any idea about the cockpit layout? Three MFDs or single MFD?

Gyrfalcon was attributed to J-31

 

[TheSolution]

How about JF-10C, or JF-10CP?

Nah, it's not a joint fighter, that's for joint venture projects

Gyrfalcon was attributed to J-31

It actually looks like one too tbh, J-10 looks like the Chinese dragon

 

[StormBreaker]

Nah, it's not a joint fighter, that's for joint venture projects

It actually looks like one too tbh, J-10 looks like the Chinese dragon

I was thinking about “OmniKiller”, Omni has always been attributed to Rafale

 

[Smoke]

Just came across these beauty posts of the J-10C that PAF has acquired! See below:

 

[siegecrossbow]

How about JF-10C, or JF-10CP?

JF stands for joint fighter. J-10C is not a joint project.

 

[MultaniGuy]

JF stands for joint fighter. J-10C is not a joint project.

You are correct.

J-10C is a 100% Chinese project.

 

[The Eagle]

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Well the Helmet , does not look "Normal" . Original picture from @Deino.

What if I say that, it's J-20 style HMDS/CS?

 

[The Eagle]

Just came across these beauty posts of the J-10C that PAF has acquired! See below:

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Can we start reading the forum and see if subject is already posted. It will save us a lot of clicks merely to check on same subject being discussed in 2 different threads and information or updates are scattered all over the place but useless. Let's be helpful please.

 

[GriffinsRule]

In all this discussion we all missed one major point of j10cp capability and that is internal fuel capacity. I have yet to find a non 5th gen fighter with 4500kg of internal fuel. This is simply awesome capacity

I think you forgot to qualify that statement to single engines aircraft only. J-10 fuel capacity is primarily due to the wing design, though the non-delta wing F-18C has over 4,900kg of internal fuel capacity as well.

 

[Smoke]

Can we start reading the forum and see if subject is already posted. It will save us a lot of clicks merely to check on same subject being discussed in 2 different threads and information or updates are scattered all over the place but useless. Let's be helpful please.

My deepest apologies, Master Eagle.

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat funds for purchasing a squadron of EFT would be enough to fund the whole project AZM R&D obviously in collaboration with the Chinese and(or) the Turks.

Turkey has all the necessary western tech and we can get western tech ToT and excel in indigenous solutions by just getting joint ventures with best of our allies Turks. Turks are in a learning curve where Chinese were a decade or so ago. Turkey would highly regard our cooperation and support now and would be willing to share all the tech and R&D with us so in near future Pakistan would be able to build our own radars, sophisticated guided missiles (AA/SAM), cutting edge military aviation products like drones, gunship helicopters, fighter jets etc. We would also benefit in terms of $$$ from the explosive growth of Turkish arms export market. It's truely a win-win situation and there isn't much time left to ponder as if Turkey achieved it's goal of establishing a robust defense industry capable of creating cutting edge big ticket defense items then they would soon loose the appetite and interest in any JV projects with Pakistan as they would completely be redundant to them.

Azm will take 10 to 15 years at minimum and much more to mature. Where as let say EF Trench 4 or F-16 BLOCK 72 are mature proven platforms. As for funding those in charge know about it. They know about the money they have and the deal they can get so just relax and wait how things play out. INSHALLAH you would be hearing lot of news on lot of weapons in near future.

 

[Aesterix]

What if I say that, it's J-20 style HMDS/CS?

If there's a cueing system is there in the helmet, that will massively improve the HOBS performance, along with the 5th generation PL-10E, .
In a WVR scenario, this is a lethal combination.....if its there.

 

[Dreamer.]

Azm will take 10 to 15 years at minimum and much more to mature. Where as let say EF Trench 4 or F-16 BLOCK 72 are mature proven platforms. As for funding those in charge know about it. They know about the money they have and the deal they can get so just relax and wait how things play out. INSHALLAH you would be hearing lot of news on lot of weapons in near future.

Sorry but no western fighter for the time being. Just face the facts.

If you think Tipu7 was referring to any western fighter than you've obviously missed the most obvious hints.

 

[Zarvan]

Nope wrong answer by a long shot. Gulf countries have all the money in the world to even purchase F-22 raptor s but still struggle to source 4.5 gen fighters like what Saudis face issues regarding Typhoons acquisition. And now these countries facing blackmailing regarding acquisition of the F-35s. They can even fund whoke F-35 assembly lines in their own countries as far as funds are concerned.

Greece gets Rafale deal on discounted terms. Turkey denied access to the Patriots which even Saudis were operating. Everyone else was getting Apache gunship helicopters but US Frontline ally against war on terror couldn't get even a single gunship helicopter in whole 20 years of US war on terror campaign. Turkey gets kicked out of F-35 program despite being an important partner in it and faces severe US sanctions upon purchasing Russian S-400 only after being rejected to acquire Patriot missile systems from US multiple times. There are Patriot batteries deployed in Turkey but the hist nation has no control over its operation whatsoever. Similarly India gets S-400 from Russia and apparently gets away with it unscathed from any US sanctions. There are countless examples of western discrepancies and hypocrisy towards it's allies or potential clients.

Yes west wanna sell their military equipment to their friendly nations but on their own biased terms. Israel can get F-16i variant and modify anything they wish to do in US provided weapons but PAF can only fit 1 Pakistani specific thing in the F-16s which usually is a PAF pilot. And by the way Israel gets US aid in billions of $$$ per anum unlike the peanuts Pakistan used to receive in the past.

So that shows that you probably are living completely in a parallel universe, where human civilization is immune to hypocritic behaviour syndrome.

Dude even right now I can give you details of weapons which are on offer by Europe but it's us who never went for them. Some we are in talks for. So just relax and I am talking about weapons from big European powers not smaller countries. Smaller ones were never an issue. Also with USA things will settle down soon and things will come from there also.

J-10 C if we go for more then 100 will for sure play dual role of F-16 and Mirages for us. It is great at both Air to Air battles as well as Air to Ground strikes.

 

[tphuang]

Wait what?! Yes all radars, AESA or otherwise, are not created equal. In fact if Given a choice to pick any, I would always pick US radars over others as they are not just the market leaders in tech, but have the most number of different AESA radars in service and for far longer than anyone else.
The part about F-16 also applies to J-0, or infact every fighter flying including F-15/F-18/Typhoon etc. Changes are normal and F-16 has had no issues with three different AESA radars tested in it's airframe. The UAE ones have been operational with one for over a decade so you point is mute.

Would you pick a US radar from the 2000s over a Chinese radar from last year? Would you pick a US one that has 900 T/R modules with power limitations over a Chinese one with 1200 T/R modules with much greater power output?

The reality is that internal layout of an aircraft cannot be changed once the design is frozen. Only when there are major upgrades, will you see the internal layout of a an aircraft changed. The only such major upgrade for J-10 was from J-10A to J-10B. The layout was redone to allow for a more advanced avionics architecture to be put in place. The layout was designed entirely with AESA radar in mind. That's not the case with F-16s. Do you think the block 50/52 have a different internal layout than block 30/32? Do you think they went through another major internal layout change when they came up with block 60 or do you think they just tried to stuff whatever is possible they can given the space and power limitations? Do you think they went through the process of a major redesign of layout for an export project?

Take a look at F-22. They still have not been able to put IRST on there despite its importance to USAF. Why do you think that is? There is just no space available for it. J-10B/C was designed from day 1 to accommodate largest possible AESA radar, IRST and all that extra feature they added to it. It took several years of testing to verify all the changes.

And for your initial question, China has probably 500 fighter jet in operation with AESA radar. Maybe not as many as USAF, but not a slouch. Far more than any other Air Force. It was also one of the first country to put AESA radar on AWACS and naval ships. There are many areas China is still far behind Western countries. AESA radar technology and electronics in general is one where they are pretty close to the top.