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Indeed, allegedly the first two Pakistani Dragons 🐉 have landed however since they required additional fuel tanks for their journey this image is most likely still showing them at CAC Chengdu.

(Image via @Fighterman_FFRC)

Landed indeed....couple of twitter handles are confirming but can not be taken as trusted source...regarding pictures....the previous photos taken from Chengdu without using any filter....but here filter has been applied to hide background and surroundings......
 
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I think only AESA alone is enough to make it step above the Block 52s, correct me if i am wrong please

Only Block 70/72 and UAE Block-60 have AESA. But J-10C has more features than these jets, example, trust vectoring ..... so in a way J-10C is higher in capabilities than Block70/72.
 
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That above is an old photo of a Chinese J-10 in PLAAF colors but photoshopped with Pakistani flag. But the J-10CP would look very similar to that anyway.

Only Block 70/72 and UAE Block-60 have AESA. But J-10C has more features than these jets, example, trust vectoring ..... so in a way J-10C is higher in capabilities than Block70/72.

J-10C does not have TVC.

J-10C in comparison to block 70/72 is a total unknown. All sane and fair estimates compare these two as comparables. No further information. As usual, most likely very similar features and so close it really is all about the rest of the support and of course the pilot himself.
 
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Only Block 70/72 and UAE Block-60 have AESA. But J-10C has more features than these jets, example, trust vectoring ..... so in a way J-10C is higher in capabilities than Block70/72.
trust vectoring = thrust vectoring


10C with WS-10B does not have thrust vectoring...i guess.

 
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From Twitter.... @thenomadlad

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That's the proper way to do it. However, India's problem is a bureaucratic creep. Defence acquisitions in India are processed through a [unnecessarily] large and multilayered structure. There is too much room for bureaucracies involved in the defence acquisitions to exercise undue politics and pursue parochial interests, particularly to extract kickbacks, at different levels of the structure, which then slows down the acquisition process. The process drags until almost everyone is satisfied. This may be one of the reasons that dragged the MMRCA competition for slightly less than two decades, caused controversy on Rafale's acquisition as well as with Bofors, BAE Haws, etc.

This is not to say Pakistan does not suffer from this but it has fewer layers because of the obvious structure of the state and with the military being the dominant arbiter in defence decision-making such defence acquisitions go through quickly.

From what it appears, Modi tried to compensate for the slow creep by creating new structures but instead ended up complicating it. The seat of CDS turned out to be controversial. It did not help matters. Seeing that the seat is still empty after the death of Rawat gives an impression there is a lack of acceptance in the tri-services and the new structure is inherently weak. Moreover, the entire restructuring ended up being more political than operational.
Controversies because of the individual not the concept of cds.
Modi has slowed down in his zeal for bureaucratic reform . For the 1st time in India, bureaucrats were fired for non performance. But its impossible to fight these guys , they know the inside out of the system and can paralyze any initiative.
And it's not only corruption, a lot due to incompetence.
I know of cases where defense personnel have to push proposals through a babu who was just shifted from postal services to the defense department. He is terrified of taking a decision as he doesn't have a iota of knowledge.
 
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Back to the J-10C ... according to my information, the first two for the PAF will fly to Pakistan today. Right that moment a PLAAF Bombardier business jet has arrived at Chengdu factory airport and both J-10CPs have been seen with fuel tanks installed.

Is Imran Khan still in China? If not they could escort him back to Pakistan.
 
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