PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[araz]

Oh well, like an old dog you are happy again to have found an old bone bone to chew but again you are lying!

Just to set things right:

You were the leader making fun of those who stated that. (1) - No I wasn't. In fact i always said, the J-10C is a linkely option and if Pakistan wants an interim type before Azm, the J-10 is the ONLY option.

you hurled your worst insults at pakistan and me. (2) - No, I didn't ... all i said, nothing is for free!

Now the news is that the J10's would indeed be free of cost once pakistan gets them---. (3) - NO, there are in fact NO news, they are for free, at least no credible & reliable news (but since you believe the Block 3 uses an Itlatian engine and AMRAAM, maybe you should check your sources you rely - or shall I say lie - on?

First SD10 was doubtful and you made fun about the pakistan getting the PL15---now that the PL15 is assured you will insult those who state that the next higher chinese BVR would not be available to pakistan---. (4) - Again NO, I never questioned the SD-10 since this was always part of the package for the JF-17 and similar I never questioned the PL-15 since it is and was always the only logical element, All I questioned was that PL-15s are already in service and I questioned the two known images as faked. but hey any question is an insult for you as it seems.

Son---you are getting 'bit'ch' slapped about everything you negated about pakistan and yet you are here on this pakistani forum. (5) - fact check again: Yes, Paksitan indeed got as per your claim JH-7, J-15, J-16, J-20, 055 DDG and the Liaoning last week, so indeed I got 'bit'ch' slapped about everything you negated about pakistan! Or wait, who claimed all this stuff and now got 'bit'ch' slapped about everything he claimed about pakistan!?

Anyway again, you should consult a doctor, Tourette syndrome is quite annoying for others.

@Deino. Believe me ignoring him is Bliss. He remains on my ignore list and I sleep easy. Try it and see how peaceful life is.
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[Basel]

Ahh … so you claim the most ridiculous stuff and anyone who sticks to reality has to prove?? So you are also sure that there is intelligent live on Venus especially since I cannot prove there is none?

Funny, indeed …

Kindly don't twist things here, you asked for source from all posters here but yourself can not provide a source about your claim, provide the source of your claim or stop asking for source from others.

 

[Deino]

Kindly don't twist things here, you asked for source from all posters here but yourself can not provide a source about your claim, provide the source of your claim or stop asking for source from others.

Ok, in that case I cannot give a source, but I can explain which is surely not the same in terms of credibility, but more than nothing.

IMO a TVC-variant for Pakistan is unlikely since so far only one J-10B - not even a C - was ever tested with that system. As such - and I agree no-one can exclude it for sure - it si most unlikely that alone for Pakistan a TVC-capable J-10C will be developed and delivered so soon when not even a J-10C TVC variant exist and the PLAAF has none such a variant in use.

IMO, it's quite logical ...

 

[TaimiKhan]

Ok, in that case I cannot give a source, but I can explain which is surely not the same in terms of credibility, but more than nothing.

IMO a TVC-variant for Pakistan is unlikely since so far only one J-10B - not even a C - was ever tested with that system. As such - and I agree no-one can exclude it for sure - it si most unlikely that alone for Pakistan a TVC-capable J-10C will be developed and delivered so soon when not even a J-10C TVC variant exist and the PLAAF has none such a variant in use.

IMO, it's quite logical ...

If TVC is with chinese made engine only, then PAF J10s arent having it, as J10Cs are coming with russian engines for now. 99.99% sure.

 

[Polestar 2]

If TVC is with chinese made engine only, then PAF J10s arent having it, as J10Cs are coming with russian engines for now. 99.99% sure.

Currently new J-10C for PLAAF are all using WS-10C engine. Seems like any AL-31FN run has ended.

Plus , if you want to stick with a lesser thrust Russian AL-31FN for your J-10C. Go ahead.

 

[TheSolution]

If TVC is with chinese made engine only, then PAF J10s arent having it, as J10Cs are coming with russian engines for now. 99.99% sure.

That means somebody's claim of ToT of the engine may be true

 

[TaimiKhan]

Currently new J-10C for PLAAF are all using WS-10C engine. Seems like any AL-31FN run has ended.

Plus , if you want to stick with a lesser thrust Russian AL-31FN for your J-10C. Go ahead.

Well the decision isnt mine to make. The people who tested it must have made the decision.
It must not be just about thrust, since AL-31 has been there for decades and used widely, thus PAF must have decided not to for now trust with a newer engine untill its fully matured as we cant afford to experiment.

Thus we have gone with a reliable and trusted engine, and who knows what comes in future.

 

[Deino]

If TVC is with chinese made engine only, then PAF J10s arent having it, as J10Cs are coming with russian engines for now. 99.99% sure.

Again, could you please explain why you seem to be so sure, they will come again with Russian AL-31FN engines? From all we know since mid-2019 not a single J-10C was again built with Russian engines and now you suggest, Pakistan will again use the older less reliable standard. Also, if they are to be delivered soon, why haven't we seen any of them?

I just see no logic behind returning back to the Russian engine.

That means somebody's claim of ToT of the engine may be true

Nope. it mens that claim was wrong too as the claim it will use AL-31FN:

Anyway, let's wait ... in a few weeks we'll know,

 

[TaimiKhan]

That means somebody's claim of ToT of the engine may be true

ToT will never come, yeah u can get overhauling facility since russian engines need overhaul after their stated span life, thus we cant send engines to russia as its costly and time consuming.
We can do it more efficiently here in Pakistan.

Again, could you please explain why you seem to be so sure, they will come again with Russian AL-31FN engines? From all we know since mid-2019 not a single J-10C was again built with Russian engines and now you suggest, Pakistan will again use the older less reliable standard. Also, if they are to be delivered soon, why haven't we seen any of them?

I just see no logic behind returning back to the Russian engine.



Nope. it mens that claim was wrong too as the claim it will use AL-31FN:

Anyway, let's wait ... in a few weeks we'll know,

Well i am not sure on my own, i said what i heard. For now its AL-31, may have changed since i last heard.
And i heard way back in 2020 that J-10s been finalized and then i stated in mid or earlier of 2021 that J-10s are ready and coming.

Now let me say this also, one new procurement will come in end of 2023 or 2024.

So lets see.

Dieno, i hardly post, but when i post, i know what i am posting.

 

[Falconless]

Please have some interesting formations, such as the star and crescent and the number 75

 

[GOAT]

ToT will never come, yeah u can get overhauling facility since russian engines need overhaul after their stated span life, thus we cant send engines to russia as its costly and time consuming.
We can do it more efficiently here in Pakistan.


Well i am not sure on my own, i said what i heard. For now its AL-31, may have changed since i last heard.
And i heard way back in 2020 that J-10s been finalized and then i stated in mid or earlier of 2021 that J-10s are ready and coming.

Now let me say this also, one new procurement will come in end of 2023 or 2024.

So lets see.

Dieno, i hardly post, but when i post, i know what i am posting.

Can you give us a hint on the new procurement for 2023/24? Is it for the PAF?

Again, could you please explain why you seem to be so sure, they will come again with Russian AL-31FN engines? From all we know since mid-2019 not a single J-10C was again built with Russian engines and now you suggest, Pakistan will again use the older less reliable standard. Also, if they are to be delivered soon, why haven't we seen any of them?

I just see no logic behind returning back to the Russian engine.



Nope. it mens that claim was wrong too as the claim it will use AL-31FN:

Anyway, let's wait ... in a few weeks we'll know,

Perhaps China has sold PAF some of its used J10Cs for discount? That may explain how PAF pilots have been training on them already (according to posts on this forum). I am just speculating.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Can you give us a hint on the new procurement for 2023/24? Is it for the PAF?

Perhaps China has sold PAF some of its used J10Cs for discount? That may explain how PAF pilots have been training on them already (according to posts on this forum). I am just speculating.

Well just can say, not PAF.

From what i know ours have been training on their own planes, not leased or rented.

 

[Bilal.]

Well just can say, not PAF.

From what i know ours have been training on their own planes, not leased or rented.

There’s as in PLANAF?

 

[Deino]

...

So lets see.

Dieno, i hardly post, but when i post, i know what i am posting.

Exactly my point, why I'm so much interested in a reply and explanation from you.

 

[HRK]

one new procurement will come in end of 2023 or 2024.

Well just can say, not PAF.

PN or PAA ... ??